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Kristatos wrote:
Ale wrote: This of course applies to Bond first and foremost. Leaving aside Purvis & Wade, the people they hire to "polish" are colossal failures for Bond scripts. I do not know what was changed in QoS, but I think quite a few things, and I do not care how much people have praised Haggis: he did a LOUSY job with that one.
I think the script for QOS went through more rewrites than The Flintstones (John Goodman edition). To update an old Hollywood joke about that film, if an infinite number of monkeys is put in front of an infinite number of typewriters, you get the screenplay for QOS. They didn't even bother to keep track of the changes, it seems, hence things like Gemma Arterton being covered in oil even though the McGuffin in the film had been changed from oil supplies to water supplies.
The strange thing is 'Kris', is that after the general praise for CR, the producers wanted to release QOS in MAY 2008 (remember that?, and with a different director, who eventually left the project).
So, what i want to know is.......if the producers were ready to film QOS 6 months earlier than normal, then what was the state of the script then.......and how come the script as used for the film further down the line was not very good with an extra 6 months development on it.
Does that mean the original script was even worst, or was completely re-written. Does anyone know?

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"We couldn't find a way of making us all happy with the script. It's been through various drafts, but I just decided to say no before I got too far into it"
"It was because in the end I didn't feel comfortable with the Bond process, and I was very nervous that there was a start date but really no script at all"

If Bond 22 had been out in May 08 massacre is the word. Nov 08 had almost no direct competition after WB moved HP to summer 09 because the Dark Knight made them so much money over the summer.

Despite all the talk I do not think there ever was a script ready to go for Bond 22, MGW was promised they would use an idea of his Cubby wouldn't allow them to do years before. That was quickly discarded, and so were many other drafts.

Some like to say the writers strike caused the problems I don't buy that for a moment.

"Once I signed on to do [Quantum Of Solace], we pretty much developed the script from scratch because I felt that it wasn't the movie I wanted to make and started with Paul [Haggis] from scratch,’ he said. ‘And I said to him these are the topics I am interested in this is what I would like to say, what's important to me. And we developed it from there together. Then Barbara and Michael said they liked where we were going and they liked the script."

"The good thing is that Paul and I and Daniel all worked on the script before the strike happened and got it where we were pretty happy with." -Forster


Bond 23 is in the same camp now, they could easily move the date right now and be sure to have the time, they may have to anyway if things continue to stumble along as well as follow EON's modus operandi. Although these turkeys love to play up this anniversary jive.

Mendes has been give full control of Bond 23 it seems, although there is not finished script and no funding as of yet. There still is a process of script approval and location scouting that has to be done. Bond 22 before it was Quark had locations scouted and a lot more prep work done. Mendes could be doing all of the ground work, but then his career is on the verge of tanking and he needs this more than the others.
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katied wrote:
But I can't see him dumping Mathis's body in a skip(I know we harp on about that scene, but if any one moment symbolises all that's wrong with Craig's Bond, it's that one).
No, I hate it too. I don't think Bond,book or otherwise, would have done something like that.But, to use an expression, "they went there". There are several "WTF?!?" momwnts in the Bond films..and quite a few of them are in QOS. :shock:
Getting drunk on the plane; dropping off the damsel in distress to some dock worker with a lame excuse that probably would have got him arrested in the real "gritty" world. A lot of foulness they think Bond has.

Remember the people involved with maligning Bond like this think "Bond is the guy you love to hate." Seriously they said that in the run up to CR. I don't know where they were for the 40 previous years but it wasn't in the theater seats with the fans.
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I just watched the Green Hornet on DVD. What they did for Bond with Cr-egg they did to the Green Hornet. The storyline is lame, Rogen is dread awful, the role of the characters is different, and the overall interpretation of the hero and his sidekick is pathetic. What kind of trash is Hollywood churning out and who is casting these roles? The 1960s tv show was better and more to the scripted interpretation.
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Remember the people involved with maligning Bond like this think "Bond is the guy you love to hate." Seriously they said that in the run up to CR. I don't know where they were for the 40 previous years but it wasn't in the theater seats with the fans.
Doesn't surprise me one bit that *they* said that. Their stupidity knows no bounds! :cuss:
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bjmdds wrote:I just watched the Green Hornet on DVD. What they did for Bond with Cr-egg they did to the Green Hornet. The storyline is lame, Rogen is dread awful, the role of the characters is different, and the overall interpretation of the hero and his sidekick is pathetic. What kind of trash is Hollywood churning out and who is casting these roles? The 1960s tv show was better and more to the scripted interpretation.
Somehow i had the feeling The Green Hornet wouldn't be much cop, but i wasn't interested anyway, as i believe this show was never aired in the UK during the 60's. Batman was the main cartoonish crime fighter in those days here.

Yep..........i wish Hollywood would come up with some new ideas, and stop turning classic TV series into movies, which in turn are usaully mediocre at best, and bleedin awful at worst, somewhat tarnishing the history of the TV series.

Some examples:- The Avengers - highly rated tv series in the 60's, turned into an apparently truly dire film.

Thunderbirds : - all time brilliant UK tv series, but Jonathon Frakes got the whole concept of the film version wrong, could and should of been a truly monster hit, but only 6 people went to see the film, and have lived in a cave ever since due to the shame.

Lost in Space :- loved all irwin allens sci-fi tv shows, and while the film version of LIS wasn't dreadful, it certainly had a very strange unfamiliar feel to it.

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bjmdds wrote:Don't forget Cr-eggs and 'Aliens' due out soon EA. Oh boy, what a hit that will be after weekend one. :down:
I watched the trailer for that film today.......still can't make out whether it will be a good or bad film, or really what its about.....Craig dressed as a Cowboy, but wearing some sort of extraterestrial wrist strap....is Craig an advanced alien scout? :)

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bjmdds wrote:Don't forget Cr-eggs and 'Aliens' due out soon EA. Oh boy, what a hit that will be after weekend one. :down:
I watched the trailer for that film today.......still can't make out whether it will be a good or bad film, or really what its about.....Craig dressed as a Cowboy, but wearing some sort of extraterestrial wrist strap....is Craig an advanced alien scout? :)

EA
Talk about a film with script problems. Maybe it will be ironed out before release.

I do find it interesting Craig goes after the Millennium Trilogy, Cowboy and Aliens and Dark Materials hat in hand, but with Bond his first (and continuing) demand is Bond has to change.
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Mazer Rackham wrote: I do find it interesting Craig goes after the Millennium Trilogy, Cowboy and Aliens and Dark Materials hat in hand, but with Bond his first (and continuing) demand is Bond has to change.
Probably because he knows he can get away with it.
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bjmdds wrote:I just watched the Green Hornet on DVD. What they did for Bond with Cr-egg they did to the Green Hornet. The storyline is lame, Rogen is dread awful, the role of the characters is different, and the overall interpretation of the hero and his sidekick is pathetic. What kind of trash is Hollywood churning out and who is casting these roles? The 1960s tv show was better and more to the scripted interpretation.
Somehow i had the feeling The Green Hornet wouldn't be much cop, but i wasn't interested anyway, as i believe this show was never aired in the UK during the 60's. Batman was the main cartoonish crime fighter in those days here.

Yep..........i wish Hollywood would come up with some new ideas, and stop turning classic TV series into movies, which in turn are usaully mediocre at best, and bleedin awful at worst, somewhat tarnishing the history of the TV series.

Some examples:- The Avengers - highly rated tv series in the 60's, turned into an apparently truly dire film.

Thunderbirds : - all time brilliant UK tv series, but Jonathon Frakes got the whole concept of the film version wrong, could and should of been a truly monster hit, but only 6 people went to see the film, and have lived in a cave ever since due to the shame.

Lost in Space :- loved all irwin allens sci-fi tv shows, and while the film version of LIS wasn't dreadful, it certainly had a very strange unfamiliar feel to it.

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Which episodes are on? It is now on Time Warner cable The HUB channel at 11:30pm weeknights as well in the USA.
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bjmdds wrote:Which episodes are on? It is now on Time Warner cable The HUB channel at 11:30pm weeknights as well in the USA.
I get The Hub! I'll have to start watching Batman-I remember watching it as a kid and loving it! The Hub also shows Family Ties in the evenings-another favorite of mine! :up:
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All In The Family is on weeknights on Time Warner on Antenna TV channel too at 9:00pm.
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Mazer Rackham wrote: Roger Michell was in consideration but foresaw the hell of scripting.
"We couldn't find a way of making us all happy with the script. It's been through various drafts, but I just decided to say no before I got too far into it"
"It was because in the end I didn't feel comfortable with the Bond process, and I was very nervous that there was a start date but really no script at all"

If Bond 22 had been out in May 08 massacre is the word. Nov 08 had almost no direct competition after WB moved HP to summer 09 because the Dark Knight made them so much money over the summer.
Exactly. They always knew they couldn't afford a May release because the competition was WAY too stiff. I wonder what the hell they are thinking now since they will have WAY too stiff competition in Nov 2012, but I think the problem is that they HAVE to have it out by 2012 and that was the earliest they could to for a 2012 release... and it remains to be seen whether they deliver or not. Anyhow, for QoS the mess was apparent from the beginning. I'd like to underline we're in the SAME exact situation now as there's no finished script at all and there's a delivery date, but nothing completed. Not to mention same pattern with director and apparent guest actors. Let's just say the similarities at this point are really starting to get freaky. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be as bad as QoS because that could mean the end of the franchise.

And... let's not forget what happened over the summer for Bond 23 as well. Morgan was appointed to fix the script, and there was a huge fallout between him and EON, things stopped and that's the REAL reason why nobody was working on the script anymore in the first place. Then the bankruptcy situation did the rest.
Despite all the talk I do not think there ever was a script ready to go for Bond 22, MGW was promised they would use an idea of his Cubby wouldn't allow them to do years before. That was quickly discarded, and so were many other drafts.

Some like to say the writers strike caused the problems I don't buy that for a moment.

"Once I signed on to do [Quantum Of Solace], we pretty much developed the script from scratch because I felt that it wasn't the movie I wanted to make and started with Paul [Haggis] from scratch,’ he said. ‘And I said to him these are the topics I am interested in this is what I would like to say, what's important to me. And we developed it from there together. Then Barbara and Michael said they liked where we were going and they liked the script."

"The good thing is that Paul and I and Daniel all worked on the script before the strike happened and got it where we were pretty happy with." -Forster
Re-reading that stuff makes me want to slap Broccoli and Wilson. Not to mention this Forster moron even saying Craig worked on the script (absolutely untrue, people must be credited if they do that and Craig would have had to be a co-producer. He probably just gave his of course wrong input... working on a script is a totally different thing). Anyway, it makes me want to scream. How this director who delivered a lousy NON Bond movie even dared talk like this is beyond me. But the worst are of course Broccolin and Wilson. And Broccoli first and foremost, she and her obsessive crush on Craig. Anyway, Haggis is not one to listen to a random actor when he's writing a script. He did most of the "polishing" job and as I said, did a LOUSY job with it. That of course, Forster just made worse. The writers' strike ONLY affected television severely, NOT movies. And anyhow they had made it abundantly clear Haggis had finished it BEFORE the writers' strike, and I remember him being very vocal about it seen as he was in first line during that strike. So no way they can blame it on writers' strike.
Bond 23 is in the same camp now, they could easily move the date right now and be sure to have the time, they may have to anyway if things continue to stumble along as well as follow EON's modus operandi. Although these turkeys love to play up this anniversary jive.
I don't even think it's a matter of anniversary... it's all about MGM's situation. They MUST have Bond out in 2012 or they're toast. A bankruptcy is no joke. They need money desperately and they need more money than people initially thought. The whole absolutely insane move they made with the distributors is clear proof of it, per what Finke reported. Paramount was leading the pack, now mysteriously Sony is in again. And it's not because Amy Pascal is friends with Barbara Broccoli: she isn't. This is a fully different thing and a move on MGM's part that should be carefully evaluated... Sony screwed EON over royally last time around, (And MGM too). If MGM is trusting Sony again, there are clearly big reasons behind it. I think they will be forced to meet the Nov. 2012 deadline because MGM is toast if they don't. The problem is with WHAT kind of movie they will meet that deadline. And so far? There are no good news about the direction of the movie. So, until I hear something that indicates a CLEAR departure from the crap that was QoS, I'm going to be really worried about this one.
Mendes has been give full control of Bond 23 it seems, although there is not finished script and no funding as of yet. There still is a process of script approval and location scouting that has to be done. Bond 22 before it was Quark had locations scouted and a lot more prep work done. Mendes could be doing all of the ground work, but then his career is on the verge of tanking and he needs this more than the others.
If they don't start with this by three weeks at the latest, I will really start to doubt the plan here. They have done NOTHING for the movie yet, no script, no casting obviously, no location scouting. NOTHING. There is no way any decent finished product is out by Nov. 2012 if they don't start doing some of this at the latest by mid March. Of course they can always release an awful product. Which is exactly what I am dreading... I don't want that because it would tank the franchise. I seriously hope for some miraculous reason they pull their s**t together and manage to deliver something that is not as indecent as QoS was. But I'm growing more concerned every day about this. And, stuff we have learnt so far about possible casting prospects not to mention this picking up right after QoS isn't reassuring in the slightest. I hope it's enough to teach them a lesson (though one wonders what the HELL it takes for them to learn the lesson after booking a LOSS with QoS) but not a failure, or the franchise will really be at risk. People will go see it anyway since it's the new Bond but it really is up against stiff competition and it barely has a week by itself. I really am unsure what to think or wish here. Clear thing is a finished first draft is nowhere to be seen which is worrying at this point. And the fact Logan is involved certainly doesn't make matters any better.
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I seriously doubt that they are going to get their sh!t together in time for Bond 23 to be out in late 2012. I'm afraid of what they might come up with if they try to rush things. Some fans would say that a hurried Bond film is better than nothing at all.I disagree.
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I still think Cr-egg is in trouble. There IS another option. No film in 2012. Eon gets an extension after the new owners demand Cr-egg be replaced with Cavill in January 2012, after Superman is completed, and puts out the film in 2013, which will be 5 years after the last film, with a fresher face in the role. :lol:
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If Bond 23 does get rushed for a late 2012 release, I can see it being dwarfed by all the other movies that are going to be out around the same time.Which is a shame, but it'd be their fault if they hurried it. EON never really learn from their mistakes, which is going to be their undoing pretty soon.
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katied wrote:If Bond 23 does get rushed for a late 2012 release, I can see it being dwarfed by all the other movies that are going to be out around the same time.Which is a shame, but it'd be their fault if they hurried it. EON never really learn from their mistakes, which is going to be their undoing pretty soon.
IMDb has the UK and USA release date as 9th November 2012. In the USA, that's a week after Monsters Inc. 2 and a week before the final (I think) Twilight movie. It has less competition in the UK, which is traditionally Bond's strongest market - and home advantage seems to be even more pronounced in CraigBond's case. If you find someone defending QOS on an Internet messageboard, chances are, it'll be a Brit. Not sure if my compatriots' seeming collective insanity will be enough to save Bond 23 though.
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Kristatos wrote:IMDb has the UK and USA release date as 9th November 2012. In the USA, that's a week after Monsters Inc. 2 and a week before the final (I think) Twilight movie.
Supie and Middle Earth creatures will be roaming the theaters a month later.
It has less competition in the UK, which is traditionally Bond's strongest market - and home advantage seems to be even more pronounced in CraigBond's case. If you find someone defending QOS on an Internet messageboard, chances are, it'll be a Brit. Not sure if my compatriots' seeming collective insanity will be enough to save Bond 23 though.
Let the Brits enjoy DC if they want. After all, he is British and so is Bond.
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Bond 23 due Nov 2012.....

Now thats still quite a long way off, should give the writers time to write the script on a sheet of paper. :)

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'Ale' another long post from you, must of taken at least 4 hours 23 minutes and 5 seconds to of compiled, but very interesting...lets hope EON get it right this time!

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True about the Brits liking the Bond films more than everyplace else.


It'll be interesting once we start getting some details about casting,plot, etc.Actual info, not rumors :lol:.
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