CR is more a generic action film rather than a Bond film?

Blowfeld · Post by **Blowfeld** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:31 am

Commander 0077 brought up an interesting point for discussion. Maybe we can build on it.

Commander 0077 wrote:1. CR is more a generic action film rather than a Bond film (70% generic, 30% Bond). I suppose you can do an in-depth study. Stuntwork, scenery, pacing, music etc > all these can be found in any action flick. But what makes a Bond film a Bond film?
a. The character of James Bond himself. Does he have a definable character? As we can see, it's open to debate.
b. The background of James Bond. This is less open to debate, as clearly Bond's background has been tweaked - both from the Book-Bond and the Movie-Bond.
c. And so on .... music (should it be melodic?) ... action (is it supposed to be 'realistic' with blood and entrails )

2. Pirates 2 made a lot of BO bucks, too. But it is far the lesser of the Pirates franchise. It's taken a fantasy pirate and made him a total Disney cartoon pirate. One can argue that he isn't the same Jack Sparrow. Of course, that's the argument on Bond. Is he the same Bond?

Let's all go to the courtroom and bring in all the evidence pro and con.

Post by **Dr. No** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:20 pm

Um,

don't know what you want here but I'll take a stab at it.

The beginning was very action oriented. did not seem like Bond movie. But it did reminded of other action movies.

As I said before Bond did not appear in CR. From the books I've read it was even further from the Book-Bond and the Movie-Bond never made an appearance.

The music was not a favorite but I think the point was to keep it kind of depressed like the theme of the movie.

As for pirates I don't know how it did as well as it did.
Can't deny that jack sparrow was jack sparrow, the story sucked but the acting was there.
As for Bond being Bond he wasn't

BondFan007 · Post by **BondFan007** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:48 am

The beginning was very action oriented. did not seem like Bond movie.

Um, don't most Bond films have action openings? The Thames boat chase for example.

Moore · Post by **Moore** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:36 am

Well Guy Hamilton said once than 'making a good Bond is quite simple. You just have to give people something that they would be able to see only once a year - in a Bond movie'
There isn't anything like that in CR

Post by **carl stromberg** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:36 pm

When CR was in production, many Bond fans hoped that the film would be a darker, artistically valid, uncommercial film which would be completely different from the usual Bond outing.

CR, although it had darker elements (due to the source material) and more "stripped down" character scenes, was surprisingly generic and commercial. It has done well worldwide (although not so well in the US) and this could be attributed to it being the sort on bland crowd-pleasing blockbuster that is popular amongst the "general public" and not the sort of dark, thought-provoking film that would naturally appeal to less people.

Moore wrote
You just have to give people something that they would be able to see only once a year - in a Bond movie'

That's true; people don't get to see James Bond very often (they didn't get to see him in CR). There are lots of generic action/spy films to watch......

Post by **The Sweeney** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:11 pm

Moore wrote:Well Guy Hamilton said once than 'making a good Bond is quite simple. You just have to give people something that they would be able to see only once a year - in a Bond movie'
There isn't anything like that in CR

I guess that's true.

I don't recall seeing any other film with invisible cars and such laughably bad CGI effects.

Harvey Wallbanger · Post by **Harvey Wallbanger** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:55 am

BondFan007 wrote:
The beginning was very action oriented. did not seem like Bond movie.
Um, don't most Bond films have action openings? The Thames boat chase for example.

The Thames boat chase had all of the panache and finishing touches expected in Bond films. -uniquely Bond -Something to go home talking about.

CR has its points but the action was the selling point –and similar to other movies.

TheManWithNoName · Post by **TheManWithNoName** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:58 am

BondFan007 wrote:
The beginning was very action oriented. did not seem like Bond movie.
Um, don't most Bond films have action openings? The Thames boat chase for example.

Prime examples of this

Licence To Kill
Goldeneye
The World is not enough
Tomorrow Never Dies
Die Another Day

TheManWithNoName · Post by **TheManWithNoName** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:00 am

Moore wrote:Well Guy Hamilton said once than 'making a good Bond is quite simple. You just have to give people something that they would be able to see only once a year - in a Bond movie'
There isn't anything like that in CR

Eh, Guy Hamilton was a hack.

Moore · Post by **Moore** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:36 pm

If Hamilton was a hack, so what's your reciep for perfect Bond?

TheManWithNoName · Post by **TheManWithNoName** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:43 pm

Moore wrote:If Hamilton was a hack, so what's your reciep for perfect Bond?

Terrence Young was excellent in my opinion.