What is the appeal of this Bond?

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What is the appeal of this Bond?

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My guesses:

1. People who never liked Bond like Craig's Bond because he's different.
2. People who liked Bond are willing to accept a Bond actor with serious appearance issues as long as they are entertained by action.
3. EON is targeting the Bourne-Transporter crowd, who care less about Bond.
4. By choosing a less handsome actor, Bond is more relatable. "If Bond could look like that and still nail chicks, what about me then?"
5. People are gullible. They hear that this is how Fleming wrote Bond and they lap it up.
6. People tend to generalize. All previous Bonds were sissies compared to this Bond who is all man! This Bond could beat up all the lame previous ones simultaneously! The others were all wisecracking gadget-dependent little boys who couldn't take or throw a punch anyway!
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I think it is all down to people are gullible and he is different.
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7. Craig portrays an element of Steve McQueen cool, is a fine actor, and is also lucky to star in the greatest Bond film of all time (CR).
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Steve McQueen?You're f**king kidding right?Craig doesn't have 1/10th the cool McQueen had.If he is such a fine actor why is it he never does anything different?Connery, McQueen took on a wide range of movies and always surprised.Craig has done the same s**t over and over.
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oscartheman wrote:Steve McQueen?You're f**king kidding right?Craig doesn't have 1/10th the cool McQueen had.If he is such a fine actor why is it he never does anything different?Connery, McQueen took on a wide range of movies and always surprised.Craig has done the same s**t over and over.
Eh? Have you seen all Craig's films? The character in Enduring Love is very different to the character in Our Friends in the North, and is very different to Road to Perdition, and is different to The Mother, and is different to Flashbacks of a Fool. None of those characters are similar whatsoever.

The one thing you can't judge Craig on is that he plays the same character over and over. I take it you have seen the above mentioned films?
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oscartheman wrote:I think it is all down to people are gullible and he is different.
That's one helluva a lot of people who are gullible then.
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I have to say I think The Sweeney is right here. There is a real Gordon McQueen quality to Daniel at times.

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Why is Steve McQueen being mentioned in the same breath as Bond is beyond me. Two totally different things. As they should be.

You know we had Steve McQueen and Bond in the 60s & 70s. They are separate for very good reason. Happens to be the same reason they are separate and not equal in my book.

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doubleoLisa wrote:Why is Steve McQueen being mentioned in the same breath as Bond is beyond me. Two totally different things. As they should be.

You know we had Steve McQueen and Bond in the 60s & 70s. They are separate for very good reason. Happens to be the same reason they are separate and not equal in my book.

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Craig is not in the same league as McQueen as McQueen appeared in many iconic roles and films. Craig has made a couple of Bond films but has not had any other iconic cult roles. Maybe there is still time.
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carl stromberg wrote:
doubleoLisa wrote:Why is Steve McQueen being mentioned in the same breath as Bond is beyond me. Two totally different things. As they should be.

You know we had Steve McQueen and Bond in the 60s & 70s. They are separate for very good reason. Happens to be the same reason they are separate and not equal in my book.

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Craig is not in the same league as McQueen as McQueen appeared in many iconic roles and films. Craig has made a couple of Bond films but has not had any other iconic cult roles. Maybe there is still time.
This I agree with. Although I love CR, Craig has yet to make a film which is on a par with McQueen classics such as Bullitt, Great Escape, Towering Inferno, etc.

Yes, there is still time, but Craig almost has a perverse pleasure in choosing non-iconic roles and offbeat films, so I doubt he will ever grace such classics as the ones mentioned above. Maybe he chooses not to do those kind of films because he is doing it already playing Bond...?

Either way, I personally think he should be going for roles which are less demanding but more entertaining, instead of the character-based roles he is choosing outside of Bond. But hey, what do I know. I'm no actor, so I've no idea what turns these people on.....
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It would have to be a really good script for a non-Bond film to work for Craig. We've already established that he's not picky about his non-Bond roles, and that is what's hurting his career.
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katied wrote:It would have to be a really good script for a non-Bond film to work for Craig. We've already established that he's not picky about his non-Bond roles, and that is what's hurting his career.
I think he would be a lot more careful what he chose if he didn't have Bond, which is like his safety net.
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Craig needs to think outside the box where his non-Bond films are concerned;However, I don't see that happening any time soon.
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The Sweeney wrote:
katied wrote:It would have to be a really good script for a non-Bond film to work for Craig. We've already established that he's not picky about his non-Bond roles, and that is what's hurting his career.
I think he would be a lot more careful what he chose if he didn't have Bond, which is like his safety net.
I think Bond has made him a turtle he pull back in his sell and moves very slowly. He lost his edge and hunger. Pierce kept hungry adn would do all kinds of roles which is what they need to do. Connery did everything from the cheesy to the dramatic even making his age part of the story even before he was actually old.

IMO Craig should do everything he can, but he is stuck up about himself and won't demean him self past what eh already has for bond
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Pierce has thought outside the box where his non-Bond roles(and his roles post-Bond) with varying degrees of success. I like that about him.
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They hear that this is how Fleming wrote Bond and they lap it up.
I've heard this a lot, with people usually throwing in the word apparently to suggest they've never read a Bond book. I've never really been too impressed with the notion that Fleming, clacking away on his typewriter at Goldeneye with a drink to hand, was thinking about a Daniel Craig type as he created the adventures of James Bond.
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'Ive heard this a lot, with people usually throwing in the word apparently to suggest they've never read a Bond book. I've never really been too impressed with the notion that Fleming, clacking away on his typewriter at Goldeneye with a drink to hand, was thinking about a Daniel Craig type as he created the adventures of James Bond.
He most definitely was NOT thinking of a Craig type! :twisted:
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I think the only difference between Craig's Bond and Fleming's Bond is that the former has swagger, while the latter was more down to earth, pretty much what Dalton truly embodied.
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James wrote:
They hear that this is how Fleming wrote Bond and they lap it up.
I've heard this a lot, with people usually throwing in the word apparently to suggest they've never read a Bond book. I've never really been too impressed with the notion that Fleming, clacking away on his typewriter at Goldeneye with a drink to hand, was thinking about a Daniel Craig type as he created the adventures of James Bond.
I agree. I think the type Fleming was thinking about was a David Niven type. However, in 2009, almost 60 years later, that kind of actor wouldn't go down well with modern audiences, brought up on action flicks with starts like Matt Damon, Christian Bale, even Bruce Willis. Craig is closer to Fleming's Bond with the harder edge, but the English refined gentleman that Fleming wrote about is lost with today's modern Bond.
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That's a pretty depressing thought to think that the modern world is too charmless for James Bond.
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