Die Another Day retrospective

[Commander 0077]

This was touched on in other topics. If this has been done here already, just chuck it in the bin.

DAD was at least two different films. We remember only the flying car (ooops, invisible car), and the sailing over the ice floe, but not the very excellent first half.

Pierce Brosnan in the first half, as an actor and as and actor playing Bond is clearly the superior of Daniel Craig. At the very least, he is on the same playing field.

Is he a lightweight thespian here? Can one say that if he had been given better scripts, he would not have left a better legacy?
A.
* Bond facing the firing squad.
* Bond with M in the recovery room. The nurse's reaction after he kisses her is more believable than it would have been with an OLD (ordinary looking dude).
* Bond walking through the hotel lobby -- classic Bond (btw they filmed the yacht club scene on the wrong side)
* Bond regaining his 'old' self, shaving in the mirror of his hotel room. Good looking, like Fleming imagined him to be. DC could not have pulled off this simple, but important scene.
B. Brosnan's post-Bond films. Well done, entertaining. He's improving as an actor and as a star.
C. Brosnan in real life. He has emotional strength, evident in his first wife's illness, and raising the kids as a single dad. One of Bond's greatest weapons is his emotional stability. On this, I think he beats all the other Bond actors -- including Connery. In real life, a real crises, the odds favor him. To my mind, that makes him more believable as Bond.
D. Plus, a big plus. Brosnan admits that he is a Bond fan. What other Bond actor has said this with sincerity? Generally, they say, Well, I leafed through a couple of them.... but I'm too serious an actor for that sort of thing, you know. So Brosnan had respect for the character.

Also, DAD had a beautiful Bond girl (turned-villainess). CR does not.

[The Sweeney]

Pierce Brosnan in the first half, as an actor and as and actor playing Bond is clearly the superior of Daniel Craig. At the very least, he is on the same playing field.

This is an opinion only, and one I strongly disagree with. Brosnan comes across as false in all his Bond performances.

* Bond walking through the hotel lobby -- classic Bond (btw they filmed the yacht club scene on the wrong side)
* Bond regaining his 'old' self, shaving in the mirror of his hotel room. Good looking, like Fleming imagined him to be. DC could not have pulled off this simple, but important scene.

Absolutely hated those scenes. Highly unrealistic and self-parodies. Made Austin Powers look like a harrowing documentary.

B. Brosnan's post-Bond films. Well done, entertaining. He's improving as an actor and as a star.

Craig has taken on far more versatile roles, and is much stronger as an actor than Brosnan. Why else would he be nominated for BAFTA's, directed by Hollywood's top director, and play alongside legends like Paul Newman?

[stockslivevan]

Not to mention that Brosnan has also praised Craig's performance as far as going "He's the best Bond ever". Honestly, this thread drops faster than my balls in the summer.

Also, DAD had a beautiful Bond girl (turned-villainess). CR does not.

You like girls right?

[Kristatos]

Plus, a big plus. Brosnan admits that he is a Bond fan. What other Bond actor has said this with sincerity?

Dalton.

[Jedi007]

Craig has taken on far more versatile roles, and is much stronger as an actor than Brosnan. Why else would he be nominated for BAFTA's, directed by Hollywood's top director, and play alongside legends like Paul Newman?

Maybe we should have Tom Hanks as the next James Bond. He's a good actor too. I wonder why Cubby didn't choose versatile actors to play Bond in the past? Hmmm...

[Commander 0077]

Not to mention that Brosnan has also praised Craig's performance as far as going "He's the best Bond ever". Honestly, this thread drops faster than my balls in the summer.

Also, DAD had a beautiful Bond girl (turned-villainess). CR does not.

You like girls right?

More important, girls like Cmdr 0077

Stockslivenvan .... Eva Green looks better in this photo than in the movie. But still she's no Domino (original TB) or Solitaire (LALD), etc.
EG looks like an average nice girl, especially in comparison with, for example, Goldeneye's Russian computer geekee.

[The Sweeney]

Craig has taken on far more versatile roles, and is much stronger as an actor than Brosnan. Why else would he be nominated for BAFTA's, directed by Hollywood's top director, and play alongside legends like Paul Newman?

Maybe we should have Tom Hanks as the next James Bond. He's a good actor too. I wonder why Cubby didn't choose versatile actors to play Bond in the past? Hmmm...

So what are you saying? Cubby chose to go with Connery because he wasn't a versatile actor? I don't think so.

[Jedi007]

So what are you saying? Cubby chose to go with Connery because he wasn't a versatile actor? I don't think so.

I don't know if Connery was a film character actor like DC before DN, but like what I've already said from the other threads, SC fits right in with Fleming's original concept of Bond being a charimastic, suave, good-looking movie star. After SC, we know where the Bond role landed to. And I'm pretty sure there are better actors than models Lazenby and Moore, even Dalton and Brosnan. But Cubby chose them over these better actors.

[Commander 0077]

Sointenly.
Connery was a good-looking guy, in the classical sense. He looks like a movie star. Fleming described Bond as being handsome like a movie star.
I've been re-reading "For Fleming Fans Only" .... and the choice of DC gets worse with time.

[Gary Seven]

If you want a "proper actor" to play Bond (quote copyright C.Owen) then there are better choices than Craig who actually look like James Bond.

[james stock]

I don't think Die another Day is the disaster that everyone keeeps saying it was, it is patchy and over the top but Brosnan is excellent far far better than Craig will ever be as Bond.

[Captain Nash]

Brosnan was crap in DAD, a poorly made excuse for a Bond film.
As good as he might've been, he never lived upto his potential. After DAD the producers saw the light and removed the weak link, and installed an actor who could play James Bond.
Of all the choices Daniel Craig is easily the best. Long may he play OO7.

[Skywalker]

Brosnan was crap in DAD, a poorly made excuse for a Bond film.
As good as he might've been, he never lived upto his potential. After DAD the producers saw the light and removed the weak link, and installed an actor who could play James Bond.
Of all the choices Daniel Craig is easily the best. Long may he play OO7.

Although DAD is poor, I thought Brosnan was superb in the movie.

[The Sweeney]

Brosnan was crap in DAD, a poorly made excuse for a Bond film.
As good as he might've been, he never lived upto his potential. After DAD the producers saw the light and removed the weak link, and installed an actor who could play James Bond.
Of all the choices Daniel Craig is easily the best. Long may he play OO7.

Although DAD is poor, I thought Brosnan was superb in the movie.

Brozza was ok. I feel kinda sorry for him that he had such bad scripts to contend with in the first place. I think the producers didn't do him justice whatsoever. Really they should have allowed him one decent film to star in. It's a crying shame really, as he could have been an excellent Bond.

At least Moore had one serious (ish) movie under his belt with FYEO. Sadly Brosnan was never given the chance.

[Captain Nash]

At least Moore had one serious (ish) movie under his belt with FYEO. Sadly Brosnan was never given the chance.

I'm going to object to that Sweenster. Although I respect your opinion.
But Moore was also semi-serious in OP and AVTAK. It was just his age going against him in the last two.

[The Sweeney]

At least Moore had one serious (ish) movie under his belt with FYEO. Sadly Brosnan was never given the chance.

I'm going to object to that Sweenster. Although I respect your opinion.
But Moore was also semi-serious in OP and AVTAK. It was just his age going against him in the last two.

I only have 2 things to remind you of, Cap'n.

1) Tarzan swing in OP.
2) Pre-credit sequence in AVTAK.

[Kristatos]

I only have 2 things to remind you of, Cap'n.

1) Tarzan swing in OP.
2) Pre-credit sequence in AVTAK.

If those had been isolated examples in an otherwise serious film, like the PCS or the Margaret Thatcher bit in FYEO, those wouldn't have been so bad. Sadly, OP in particular was just one facetious gag after another. "Hiss off", "Sit!", the tennis match and so on ad nauseum.