The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[ml94]

My top 5 BATMAN movies:

1.TDK
2.BATMAN RETURNS
3.BATMAN (1989)
4.BATMAN BEGINS
5.TDKR

[Napoleon Solo]

Maybe it is just me, but reading these email exchanges from Amy Rascal and co. makes me want to vomit, when I see the kind of ridiculous ideas they were all throwing around - Blofeld a woman, M a traitor. Fleming probably still hasn't stopped spinning in his grave at the imbeciles in charge of the franchise he started.

Why can't we have a straightforward traditional 60's type storyline anymore?

These attempts at plot twists and turns have been in play ever since GE, when Sean Bean's character turned rogue (although you could argue we saw it first in FYEO, then again in TLD), but this seems to be a major trait now of the post Cubby era.

In the Fleming novels, this is not something that was really evident in his plots, which instead were fairly straightforward affairs. We normally knew from the outset who the villain was that Bond was about to pursue, and it didn't detract from that.

And the films followed suit for most part, up until Babs got her hands on the franchise. Now we have this concept of twists, reveals and Nolanesque origins, which is getting a bit too much.

As I have said in earlier posts, if this film reveals Blofeld is family connected to Bond in some way, this just pisses all over everything Fleming ever wrote from a Skyfall height, and totally discredits the well-used opinion that Craig's films are somehow closer to the Fleming novels.

Also (and these didn't end up in the final script), the villain as an African terrorist (Blofeld was an alias and not his real name) as well as Tanner being a traitor (apparently feeling he wasn't going to get a very good pension) and then committing suicide while Bond watches.

[Napoleon Solo]

Forget if I've posted before. If I have, ignore.

The Man From UNCLE episode guide:
https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com/

Site includes:

UNCLE's ties to James Bond (updated to include Henry Cavill and a number of crew members who've worked on Bond films)

https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com ... ames-bond/


Timeline for the UNCLE movie, important dates in how it came about:

https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com ... -l-e-2015/

[Blowfeld]

Maybe it is just me, but reading these email exchanges from Amy Rascal and co. makes me want to vomit, when I see the kind of ridiculous ideas they were all throwing around - Blofeld a woman, M a traitor. Fleming probably still hasn't stopped spinning in his grave at the imbeciles in charge of the franchise he started.

Why can't we have a straightforward traditional 60's type storyline anymore?

These attempts at plot twists and turns have been in play ever since GE, when Sean Bean's character turned rogue (although you could argue we saw it first in FYEO, then again in TLD), but this seems to be a major trait now of the post Cubby era.

In the Fleming novels, this is not something that was really evident in his plots, which instead were fairly straightforward affairs. We normally knew from the outset who the villain was that Bond was about to pursue, and it didn't detract from that.

And the films followed suit for most part, up until Babs got her hands on the franchise. Now we have this concept of twists, reveals and Nolanesque origins, which is getting a bit too much.

As I have said in earlier posts, if this film reveals Blofeld is family connected to Bond in some way, this just pisses all over everything Fleming ever wrote from a Skyfall height, and totally discredits the well-used opinion that Craig's films are somehow closer to the Fleming novels.

Also (and these didn't end up in the final script), the villain as an African terrorist (Blofeld was an alias and not his real name) as well as Tanner being a traitor (apparently feeling he wasn't going to get a very good pension) and then committing suicide while Bond watches.

I was bothered by how Mathis was used from the start. What they took away from the novel Casino Royale was 'The hero Le Chiffre kills the villain Bond' in chapter 20 - The Nature of Evil .
I'd argue the double oh kills in the movie were all wrong as well however it was a movie of the novel we tend to let the smaller things pass if they get the over all picture almost in focus. Obviously I don't feel they did, enough fans seems pleased with it even though it strayed further from the Ian's intent of who 007 was and his world.

The emails are sickening, it puts to the test the theory a studio could do a better job of keeping the Bond traditions alive than the Broccoli family. I feel sorry for Barbara and MGW having to deal with blathering idiots like Pascal however I'm not so certain they are not on the same page.

Pierce's time as 007 had very similar elements (going rogue, personal conflicts and reasons for the mission, past trauma, I'm sure I could come up with better examples if I tried), looking back the decline of the series seems self evident.

The producers at EON have lost sight of what and who Bond is supposed to be, the bulwarks of Ian Fleming's 007 are being replaced with cheap emotion drama straight from a seven part detective mini series.

The warning bells have been going off for decades each step away fundamentals enough people (fans or not) buy enough of the product for EON to feel justified. Quantum came the closest to making them reconsider. Die Another Day is posthumously blamed for rebooting however they continue to essentially make the same movie.

Beyond the details of SPECTRE I'm bothered by the idea of 007's personal saga being orchestrated for revenge. (I thought the idea using Bond personal tragedies as hinted in Carte Blanche was a poor idea )

This movie is the sole result of MGM getting the rights to Thunderball, without it I doubt EON would touch "Blofeld" or use the name SPECTRE.

[Blowfeld]

Forget if I've posted before. If I have, ignore.

The Man From UNCLE episode guide:
https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com/

Site includes:

UNCLE's ties to James Bond (updated to include Henry Cavill and a number of crew members who've worked on Bond films)

https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com ... ames-bond/


Timeline for the UNCLE movie, important dates in how it came about:

https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com ... -l-e-2015/

I know the movie is somewhat controversial with the fans what do you make of the changes from the series for the new movie?

[Napoleon Solo]

Forget if I've posted before. If I have, ignore.

The Man From UNCLE episode guide:
https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com/

Site includes:

UNCLE's ties to James Bond (updated to include Henry Cavill and a number of crew members who've worked on Bond films)

https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com ... ames-bond/


Timeline for the UNCLE movie, important dates in how it came about:

https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com ... -l-e-2015/

I know the movie is somewhat controversial with the fans what do you make of the changes from the series for the new movie?

It appears to me the movie makers have tried to break down UNCLE to its core elements and go from there.

When the series opened, UNCLE had been long established and Solo and Kuryakin had been agents for some time. A few specifics would dribble out (two first-season episodes refer to events from "seven years ago," in another we meet Solo's commander in Korea; in the fourth season, we're told Kuryakin graduated from the UNCLE training school in 1956 and Solo had done so two years earlier). But overall, you never learned a whole heck of a lot. In that sense, the series was like the early Bond movies, you never looked backward never much.

In the movie, UNCLE hasn't been formed. Solo and Kuryakin are forced to work together just after clashing in Berlin. A lot of the UNCLE memes -- secret international organization -- have already been copied. For example, Kingsman (using a clothing store front instead of the UNCLE series' tailor shop) and even SPECTRE (Nine Eyes is, afterall, an international intelligence cooperative). So you can make the argument that to keep things fresh, UNCLE is giving up some of its memes because others have done them to death.

There are apparently some tips of the hat to the show. One of the scenes in the trailer with Kuryakin and the woman seems based a bit on a television episode (particularly Kuryakin playing chess while she tries to interest him). There is an UNCLE Special (you see Armie Hammer holding it, though the base pistol is not the Walther P38, as in the show).

I'm anxious to see the film, realizing it is going to be different. I think a lot of fans do too, but there are vocal first-generation fans who have complained from the very start. I wasn't enthusiastic about Tom Cruise as Solo. When Henry Cavill got cast, I was intrigued, particularly with his Bond history.

The budget is $75 million, a bargain these days. SPECTRE spent almost that much ($60 million) on the Rome sequence. It was also a tight shoot, three months with some reshoots taking place in 2014.

[Veronica]

These Craig movies are praised for being personal different bla bla bla... it's like some forgot that basically everyBrosnan movie had the elemtents of those. 006 in GE,Eliot Carver killed his wife who was Bond's ex lover. Elektra's whole story was personal(Alec's story as well)and in DAD Bond was betrayed by Miranda. But the high point of everything is the praise Skyfal gets BY CRITICS.Best Bond ever???? Hm,let's see,the villain is the guy who went through some kind of dramatic experience and M didn't do anything to help him so he wants to kill her... where have I seen that before???? Oh right Elektra King! Furthermore the whole backstory in Skyfall is mention in literally one sentence... in TWINE we actually got more insight... if Skyfall is the best then they should go back and say how TWINE is even better and nail that movie as the best ever... and the movie actually didn't copy the plot...and it actually had an interesting twist...and it wasn't boring as hell like Skyfall.

[Kristatos]

Forget if I've posted before. If I have, ignore.

The Man From UNCLE episode guide:
https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com/

Site includes:

UNCLE's ties to James Bond (updated to include Henry Cavill and a number of crew members who've worked on Bond films)

https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com ... ames-bond/


Timeline for the UNCLE movie, important dates in how it came about:

https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com ... -l-e-2015/

I know the movie is somewhat controversial with the fans what do you make of the changes from the series for the new movie?

I was only ever a casual viewer of the show, so I doubt they'll affect my enjoyment of the film (though as I said before, I'm glad they actually gave Ilya a Russian accent this time.) I think that if I was a die-hard fan, I'd be a bit pissed off by them. I remember how annoyed BJ was by the first Mission: Impossible film making Jim Phelps the villain, and I can understand that viewpoint, even though when I saw the film, I had only ever seen a couple of dimly remembered episodes of the TV show, so I didn't really know who Jim Phelps was outside the context of the film.

[bjmdds]

UNCLE's entire episodes happen to be on now on the new Countdown To Decades Binge tv channel, every single episode. http://decades.com/file/DECADES_BINGE_C ... 052015.pdf It's a fun ride to watch. Phelps being the baddie in the first MI film was ridiculous and I like FBF's idea of them finding the real one in a future film, deeming the first one an impostor.

[bjmdds]

It was previously claimed that the star had not missed any filming to have his operation as the 'minor procedure' took place during a 'scheduled break'. However, it was said he would not be rejoining production until April 22 when filming moved to London's Pinewood Studios. A source told The Sun newspaper: 'He filmed the face shots but his double was doing all the running. Daniel will have to take it easy until his knee is strong enough for strenuous sequences.'

[Alessandra]

Forget if I've posted before. If I have, ignore.

The Man From UNCLE episode guide:
https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com/

Site includes:

UNCLE's ties to James Bond (updated to include Henry Cavill and a number of crew members who've worked on Bond films)

https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com ... ames-bond/


Timeline for the UNCLE movie, important dates in how it came about:

https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com ... -l-e-2015/

I know the movie is somewhat controversial with the fans what do you make of the changes from the series for the new movie?

It appears to me the movie makers have tried to break down UNCLE to its core elements and go from there.

When the series opened, UNCLE had been long established and Solo and Kuryakin had been agents for some time. A few specifics would dribble out (two first-season episodes refer to events from "seven years ago," in another we meet Solo's commander in Korea; in the fourth season, we're told Kuryakin graduated from the UNCLE training school in 1956 and Solo had done so two years earlier). But overall, you never learned a whole heck of a lot. In that sense, the series was like the early Bond movies, you never looked backward never much.

In the movie, UNCLE hasn't been formed. Solo and Kuryakin are forced to work together just after clashing in Berlin. A lot of the UNCLE memes -- secret international organization -- have already been copied. For example, Kingsman (using a clothing store front instead of the UNCLE series' tailor shop) and even SPECTRE (Nine Eyes is, afterall, an international intelligence cooperative). So you can make the argument that to keep things fresh, UNCLE is giving up some of its memes because others have done them to death.

There are apparently some tips of the hat to the show. One of the scenes in the trailer with Kuryakin and the woman seems based a bit on a television episode (particularly Kuryakin playing chess while she tries to interest him). There is an UNCLE Special (you see Armie Hammer holding it, though the base pistol is not the Walther P38, as in the show).

I'm anxious to see the film, realizing it is going to be different. I think a lot of fans do too, but there are vocal first-generation fans who have complained from the very start. I wasn't enthusiastic about Tom Cruise as Solo. When Henry Cavill got cast, I was intrigued, particularly with his Bond history.

The budget is $75 million, a bargain these days. SPECTRE spent almost that much ($60 million) on the Rome sequence. It was also a tight shoot, three months with some reshoots taking place in 2014.

Just an FYI, they showed the new Man from U.N.C.L.E. trailer at CinemaCon which is HUGE. And it's a HIT among those there. This is VERY good news for the movie. ANd right, with THAT budget? Bargain budget? And the fact it pleases so many and I am convinced MANY Bond fans will go see it? It's essentially guaranteed to make a profit.

[Omega]

It was previously claimed that the star had not missed any filming to have his operation as the 'minor procedure' took place during a 'scheduled break'. However, it was said he would not be rejoining production until April 22 when filming moved to London's Pinewood Studios. A source told The Sun newspaper: 'He filmed the face shots but his double was doing all the running. Daniel will have to take it easy until his knee is strong enough for strenuous sequences.'

What the hell, I thought he was injured and back at work months a go.


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[Omega]

Forget if I've posted before. If I have, ignore.

The Man From UNCLE episode guide:
https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com/

Site includes:

UNCLE's ties to James Bond (updated to include Henry Cavill and a number of crew members who've worked on Bond films)

https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com ... ames-bond/


Timeline for the UNCLE movie, important dates in how it came about:

https://uncleepisodeguide.wordpress.com ... -l-e-2015/

I know the movie is somewhat controversial with the fans what do you make of the changes from the series for the new movie?

It appears to me the movie makers have tried to break down UNCLE to its core elements and go from there.

When the series opened, UNCLE had been long established and Solo and Kuryakin had been agents for some time. A few specifics would dribble out (two first-season episodes refer to events from "seven years ago," in another we meet Solo's commander in Korea; in the fourth season, we're told Kuryakin graduated from the UNCLE training school in 1956 and Solo had done so two years earlier). But overall, you never learned a whole heck of a lot. In that sense, the series was like the early Bond movies, you never looked backward never much.

In the movie, UNCLE hasn't been formed. Solo and Kuryakin are forced to work together just after clashing in Berlin. A lot of the UNCLE memes -- secret international organization -- have already been copied. For example, Kingsman (using a clothing store front instead of the UNCLE series' tailor shop) and even SPECTRE (Nine Eyes is, afterall, an international intelligence cooperative). So you can make the argument that to keep things fresh, UNCLE is giving up some of its memes because others have done them to death.

There are apparently some tips of the hat to the show. One of the scenes in the trailer with Kuryakin and the woman seems based a bit on a television episode (particularly Kuryakin playing chess while she tries to interest him). There is an UNCLE Special (you see Armie Hammer holding it, though the base pistol is not the Walther P38, as in the show).

I'm anxious to see the film, realizing it is going to be different. I think a lot of fans do too, but there are vocal first-generation fans who have complained from the very start. I wasn't enthusiastic about Tom Cruise as Solo. When Henry Cavill got cast, I was intrigued, particularly with his Bond history.

The budget is $75 million, a bargain these days. SPECTRE spent almost that much ($60 million) on the Rome sequence. It was also a tight shoot, three months with some reshoots taking place in 2014.

Just an FYI, they showed the new Man from U.N.C.L.E. trailer at CinemaCon which is HUGE. And it's a HIT among those there. This is VERY good news for the movie. ANd right, with THAT budget? Bargain budget? And the fact it pleases so many and I am convinced MANY Bond fans will go see it? It's essentially guaranteed to make a profit.

they made the movie smart just like kingsman . It looks like fun so they got me wanting to see it already .

The bond movies are so bloated and expensive it amazing they are still in business . November man and John wick both cost less than the bond producers fee or one stunt sequence . Both of those movies are good action flicks and decent stories that did not break the bank to make


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[bjmdds]

How do they spend $300 million to make a Bond film? On what, salaries?

[Napoleon Solo]

MTV interview with Cavill and Hammer at CinemaCon event:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2oKaHk ... tion=share

[Napoleon Solo]

How do they spend $300 million to make a Bond film? On what, salaries?

A few educated guesses:

https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2015/0 ... t-so-high/

[bjmdds]

Cr-egg is getting $46 million for SP-ECH-TRE?

[Napoleon Solo]

Cr-egg is getting $46 million for SP-ECH-TRE?

For SPECTRE *and* Bond 25 combined -- $46 million for two movies.

[Omega]

Cr-egg is getting $46 million for SP-ECH-TRE?

For SPECTRE *and* Bond 25 combined -- $46 million for two movies.

I don't think that is unfair. One of the numbers were for dad the producers got $30 million for producing i'd bet they'd are a bigger part of the budget now .

Paying someone like Brosnan or Craig $20 million when they make the movies so much money is not unfair .




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[bjmdds]

So Cr-egg will be on board again after this