The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[John P. Drake]

FBF knows what Broccoli is up to, gathering up elite Hollywoodies for her cadre of actors to prop Cr-egg up with, trying to legitimize herself as the REAL brains behind Eon and redirecting her father's dream into her image which is our nightmare

We don't have to worry about that, I told FBF that Bond franchise hasn't got much life remaining, it's a dying franchise and people are getting bored of it. Now, BJ, I never thought I would stop being a Bond fan, but there it happened. Because there are always people who screw great things up. Remember the Clooney Batman movie? Cr-egg's Bond is like that.

Bond ended 11 years ago with DAD. It's either dormant, or destroyed, depending on how long MGM and Sony allow Broccoli to reign supreme.

9 years ago if you count the video game media and the novels. Straight after this reboot crap happened, the franchise has been really screwed up, it's a mess. As FBF says, it's for zombies on steroids, Cr-egg fangirls who just want to defend their so-called idol. They call themselves Bond fans, yet they hate the first 20 movies, and have never even touched the books. For real? I never thought EON would turn their backs to their fans and aim their media at extreme idiots!!

[Dr. No]

Where's Ale? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MoNnp-z41w

I'm here! I have something to submit just to show how a VERY good and respectable (and Hollywood Royalty, as he's the G in MGM) actor who is 53 years old looks and moves (and I've seen him in a NUMBER of things) like James Bond a LOT more than Craig does, sorry. Just to say... there are far better candidates, it's just a matter of WANTING them. I am by no means saying they should cast him as Bond (besides, he's American, so it would be a no go) but just underlining that there are FAR better people around who are even older than Craig (and look way younger). Note that in this particular image he looks way older than he normally does, so imagine. But...



THIS is someone who looks like James Bond (not sure the photo shows but he's got piercing blue eyes, too). And who's got the style, charm and acting chops, too.

And another one that shows the blue eyes, too



I don't like him based on nothing but pictures. He kind of has the look but has the look of bad choice/ nearly was casting from the 1970s. Not that he couldn't be better than Craig, who knows maybe when Craig is done they reinvent Bond again and who knows what it'll be. The books are very far behind them so aslong as the name continues to sell they can keep going.

[bjmdds]

http://cdn04.cdn.justjared.com/wp-conte ... cle-01.jpg Cavill as Solo. Ale must be near http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-conte ... cle-05.jpg

[Omega]

Thank god he didn't get sea sick like that other fellow

Madonna new video could pug her on eons radar it's soooo bad.


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[bjmdds]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLjCU-C1QZw This one event united us all and we became internet brothers and sisters because of it......how time flies.

[John P. Drake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLjCU-C1QZw This one event united us all and we became internet brothers and sisters because of it......how time flies.

That was a tragic day, the day James Bond died... and Ian Fleming span in his grave!

[Kristatos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLjCU-C1QZw This one event united us all and we became internet brothers and sisters because of it......how time flies.

For me personally, it was more of a gradual process. My first reaction to the initial publicity shot of Craig was "That's the new Bond?" But then I thought "Oh well, give him a chance, maybe he'll grow on me once I see him in action". Then I saw Casino Royale. I actually liked the pre-credits sequence, and I certainly didn't go in expecting to hate the film. As I've probably said before, I can pinpoint the exact moment at which he lost me: it was the line "Holster the bloody weapon, Carter, we need him alive" in the embassy chase sequence. There was something about Craig's delivery of that line that seemed very un-Bondlike to me. As the film progressed, I started to be distracted in some of the talkier scenes by Craig's disturbing physical resemblance to Sid James. Then the final scene, where I thought (wrongly, as it turned out) "Oh God, they're going to turn him into a Jack Bauer-style apologist for torture" (this was an era in which 24 was genuinely used as an argument against adherence to international law, justifying torture and unlawful imprisonment with "ticking bomb" scenarios taken from that show, as if such things actually happen in real life).

I came out of the cinema feeling very depressed, but what finally drove me here was the growing realisation that I was no longer welcome on other Bond forums, specifically the Usenet (now Google Groups) forum alt.fan.james-bond, where the range of acceptable opinion ran from "Craig is the bestest Bond ever and all the previous films sucked" to "Craig is the second-best Bond after Connery, provided you only count his first two films, as every Bond film from GF to DAD sucked". Any dissent was met with the tired, lazy reply that "You must like invisible cars and double-taking pigeons". It was so refreshing to discover this site and find that I was not alone in my view of Craig and CR.

[bjmdds]

Cr-egg breeds depression. FBF is so upset he gave up on the future of the series with Broccoli at the helm and he might be correct. Who knows what lout that evil lunatic will select next. The ONLY hope is she and the hibernating dolt MGW get so invested in DC that they lose interest in the franchise once Sony and MGM demand his dismissal. She went 180 on Pierce, and dumped him over a quick phone call. Is she capable of letting go of her obsessive love interest Cr-egg? She might require Prozac for the withdrawal symptoms. Drake, if Broccoli goes once and for all, would you return as a fan of Bond if they did it correctly, or is that wishful thinking for this feministic undertone of Bond to end?

[Dr. No]

"I came out of the cinema feeling very depressed"

It was the same for me. I don't think I "hated" Craig when he was announced, disappointed for sure Judy Dench had just said Pierce would be back for Bond 21 , Barbara Broccoli was said to have said the fight with Pierce over Bond 21 was nothing we should have seen the fights her father and Moore had.
But none of that mattered I did go see CR and it wasn't a Bond film, and more to the point Craig wasn't Bond. I left feeling depressed, everybody we went with felt the same, usually leaving a Bond movie there is a upbeat feeling, endings don't have to be happy but balanced to some degree. CR was a let down and I haven't been to a Bond film since. which sucks because it was a tradition.

I followed this site from nearly day one, it is as Kris said if you didn't swallow the Craig is the best ever line you were ridiculed, if you missed Pierce you were gay for Brosnan, if you though Craig coming out of the seas rip off of Dr No was in poor taste and a bit gay you were homophobic

Craig is probably a nice guy one on one, if he isn't being a jerk because somebody took a picture AS Bond he is not even on the chart of good to bad, I read CR to see if it was as people defending CR claimed, the most direct translation of a Bond Book and found that claim was way off. I don't think any Bond actor has truly captured Fleming's Bond however I do think they had the right attitude, image, Charm and charisma, until Craig. I remember the CR ad running on tv that had a Russian choir type signing a modified Bond theme that had the line, "every legend has a beginning". what a let down the movie was, the idea of Bond Beginning is OK remember this was on the heels of Batman reboot taking the wold by storm, and I do think with a young actor I could like a origins story, but CR was the wrong story because it was not a origins story to begin with and it had all the wrong tones, Bond wasn't a professional or journeyman on his way to being a profession he was a crass screw up. If there is a proper origins story it has too feel like he is the Bond we know just young and M and MP and Q have to be the ones we knwo form 40 years of movies not reimagined misfits.

*end rant*

Sorry for rambling on.

[Kristatos]

Cr-egg breeds depression. FBF is so upset he gave up on the future of the series with Broccoli at the helm and he might be correct.

He might be, but I'd rather not give up hope. And FBF has also given up on Bond's past, which I refuse to do. I don't enjoy GF or TSWLM any less because of what the current regime has done to the series.

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[bjmdds]

The past is ALL that is left of Bond currently. That's all I watch when on tv........NONE of Cr-egg's.

[bjmdds]

"I came out of the cinema feeling very depressed"

It was the same for me. I don't think I "hated" Craig when he was announced, disappointed for sure Judy Dench had just said Pierce would be back for Bond 21 , Barbara Broccoli was said to have said the fight with Pierce over Bond 21 was nothing we should have seen the fights her father and Moore had.
But none of that mattered I did go see CR and it wasn't a Bond film, and more to the point Craig wasn't Bond. I left feeling depressed, everybody we went with felt the same, usually leaving a Bond movie there is a upbeat feeling, endings don't have to be happy but balanced to some degree. CR was a let down and I haven't been to a Bond film since. which sucks because it was a tradition.

I followed this site from nearly day one, it is as Kris said if you didn't swallow the Craig is the best ever line you were ridiculed, if you missed Pierce you were gay for Brosnan, if you though Craig coming out of the seas rip off of Dr No was in poor taste and a bit gay you were homophobic

Craig is probably a nice guy one on one, if he isn't being a jerk because somebody took a picture AS Bond he is not even on the chart of good to bad, I read CR to see if it was as people defending CR claimed, the most direct translation of a Bond Book and found that claim was way off. I don't think any Bond actor has truly captured Fleming's Bond however I do think they had the right attitude, image, Charm and charisma, until Craig. I remember the CR ad running on tv that had a Russian choir type signing a modified Bond theme that had the line, "every legend has a beginning". what a let down the movie was, the idea of Bond Beginning is OK remember this was on the heels of Batman reboot taking the wold by storm, and I do think with a young actor I could like a origins story, but CR was the wrong story because it was not a origins story to begin with and it had all the wrong tones, Bond wasn't a professional or journeyman on his way to being a profession he was a crass screw up. If there is a proper origins story it has too feel like he is the Bond we know just young and M and MP and Q have to be the ones we knwo form 40 years of movies not reimagined misfits.

*end rant*

Sorry for rambling on.

You said it well Dr. No........you said a mouuuuuuuuuuuuuuthful of truth

[FormerBondFan]

Who knows what lout that evil lunatic will select next.

There's no point of hoping that the classic Bond actor will return.

The ONLY hope is she and the hibernating dolt MGW get so invested in DC that they lose interest in the franchise once Sony and MGM demand his dismissal.

That b1tch will do anything to keep DC, and she'll never give up her position due to her arrogance.

She went 180 on Pierce, and dumped him over a quick phone call.

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November Man and other upcoming actioners from Pierce are our best escape. We never had a potential gritty Bond 21 from him, but we now have a second chance to see him back in action, and this time it's not Bond which is good. We're going to need it.

[FormerBondFan]

Cr-egg breeds depression. FBF is so upset he gave up on the future of the series with Broccoli at the helm and he might be correct.

He might be, but I'd rather not give up hope. And FBF has also given up on Bond's past, which I refuse to do. I don't enjoy GF or TSWLM any less because of what the current regime has done to the series.

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I didn't say I give up watching the first 20 Bonds. I will cherish and honor those good years. To bring back the classic Bond actor when Craig retires? No can do. Why? SF's nonsensical success and recognition and especially the way the b1tch treats Pierce through screwing him over then dismissed him (leaving those minions to think that he is responsible for the franchise to go downhill after GE) then gets away with it along with the attention and praise SF has. If this is how she treats a modern day Bond who represented a younger generation that started in the 90s after the Cold War ended, she might as well consider unattractive actors and fighters/wrestlers who can act as Bond when Craig retires. Like Drake said, James Bond is ancient history. What's the future for us now? This is the future for us:



BJ, are we in agreement? The James Bond franchise is a Borg now.....permanently with the b1tch herself as the Borg Queen.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n25pdHlIjI[/video]

Can we save James Bond? As Picard would say, there is no way to save him.

[bjmdds]

Broccoli must go in order to reshape things to normalcy, but she won't go easily. I wonder if Brosnan EVER spoke to Broccoli again after the shaft she gave him. He supposedly demanded $25 million for his 5th film, but even if that soured Eon, they should have reached detente. Brosnan left a minimum 2 films too soon.

[FormerBondFan]

He supposedly demanded $25 million for his 5th film, but even if that soured Eon, they should have reached detente. Brosnan left a minimum 2 films too soon.

We got November Man and other upcoming Pierce's actioners, such as The Coup. Now that is the definite alternative to Pierce's 5th Bond, or better say Pierce's comeback to the genre that we haven't seen him in almost a decade. OK, I've been a fan of Pierce as both James Bond and an actor for many years, but I cannot help but wanting to poke fun at this movie which you consider a dead turkey:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn_OrhwIidA[/video]

[Omega]

He supposedly demanded $25 million for his 5th film, but even if that soured Eon, they should have reached detente. Brosnan left a minimum 2 films too soon.

MGW said that was not true. It was Sometime in the last few years, Brosnan said it not the reason as well. Problem is the lady who is for all intent and purposes in charge is crazy for Craig.

Who knows who will be the next bond and what direction they take it. IMO they seal off Craig and go to a more normal bond style.

Hardy he was they guy they were joking about being bond in the YouTube rips of spyfall.



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[FormerBondFan]

IMO they seal off Craig and go to a more normal bond style.

If you want a normal Bond style (as in a traditional tall and dark-haired Bond actor), then Babs must be removed from her position, but like BJ said, she won't go down easily. In this case, she could consider unattractive actors and fighter/wrestlers who can act as Bond when DC retires, considering that she got away with Skyfall's nonsensical success and recognition (especially in the US) and especially the way she treats Pierce.

[The Sweeney]

Boyd, the new Bond author wouldn't have chosen Craig for the part of Bond. In fact, his idea of an actor to play Bond is very interesting - Daniel Day Lewis.

Great actor, brilliant actor in fact. And actually, yes, now looking at him, he could have easily played the part of Fleming's Bond. He certainly has a look of Hoagy Carmichael.

Boyd's new book may not be up to scratch, but his idea of Bond is spot on.....

[Kristatos]

Maybe 20 years ago, but he's 56 years old now, way too old for Bond.

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