The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[bjmdds]

Why is it racist if you describe the exact description Fleming outlined? I am getting fed up of everything being deemed racist by liberals in our global society. Apollo Creed's character was BLACK. If Rocky is remade, I do NOT want Nicholas Cage playing that role. If LALD gets remade, I do not want Russell Crowe playing Mr. Big. If Shaft gets remade, I do NOT want Henry Cavill in the lead role. Bond is WHITE.............case closed If Broccoli deems it necessary to push her father's franchise to the ultimate and reprehensible extreme, then let this franchise rot within the stench she will have created. Idris as Bond will end it for many outside of these forums UNLESS the under 30 aged minions follow the green vegetable like sheep to whatever wasteland she takes them. Bond is not bisexual either and should never be seen as such. That is not a homophobic statement. It is a matter of undeniable fact. Enough already with this liberal political correctness BS. Facts are facts. If anyone doesn't like the truth, too darn bad if they are offended by not bending and conforming to their alternate realities in life.

[bjmdds]

The premiere of "Survivor: Caramoan" got off to a rough start in the ratings Wednesday, scoring the lowest premiere numbers in series history. "American Idol" was also down for FOX, recording one of its smallest outings since its first season way back in 2002. Does anyone watch Arrow on the CW network? http://images.cwtv.com/images/c/photo-g ... 02059c.jpg It sounds like a ripoff of TDK to me.

[Omega]

The premiere of "Survivor: Caramoan" got off to a rough start in the ratings Wednesday, scoring the lowest premiere numbers in series history. "American Idol" was also down for FOX, recording one of its smallest outings since its first season way back in 2002. Does anyone watch Arrow on the CW network? http://images.cwtv.com/images/c/photo-g ... 02059c.jpg It sounds like a ripoff of TDK to me.

I watch the arrow.


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[FormerBondFan]

Elba is a cool cat, much cooler than Craig. I'd prefer him over Craig any day of the week.


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I don't know why, but I actually like to see him as Bond. But he would be too old and too well known for Bond when DC retires.

[Omega]

Elba is a cool cat, much cooler than Craig. I'd prefer him over Craig any day of the week.


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I don't know why, but I actually like to see him as Bond. But he would be too old and too well known for Bond when DC retires.

To some other people issues with this I'm not endorsing the idea but when Craig's faults are compared to this mans ability I don't see the color of skin being the deal killer.
If people are willing to pretend Craig is alright as Bond then someone like Elba should be worshiped.


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[The Sweeney]

Why is it racist if you describe the exact description Fleming outlined? I am getting fed up of everything being deemed racist by liberals in our global society. Apollo Creed's character was BLACK. If Rocky is remade, I do NOT want Nicholas Cage playing that role. If LALD gets remade, I do not want Russell Crowe playing Mr. Big. If Shaft gets remade, I do NOT want Henry Cavill in the lead role. Bond is WHITE.............case closed If Broccoli deems it necessary to push her father's franchise to the ultimate and reprehensible extreme, then let this franchise rot within the stench she will have created. Idris as Bond will end it for many outside of these forums UNLESS the under 30 aged minions follow the green vegetable like sheep to whatever wasteland she takes them. Bond is not bisexual either and should never be seen as such. That is not a homophobic statement. It is a matter of undeniable fact. Enough already with this liberal political correctness BS. Facts are facts. If anyone doesn't like the truth, too darn bad if they are offended by not bending and conforming to their alternate realities in life.

Well said BJ......

[The Saint 007]

Why is it racist if you describe the exact description Fleming outlined? I am getting fed up of everything being deemed racist by liberals in our global society. Apollo Creed's character was BLACK. If Rocky is remade, I do NOT want Nicholas Cage playing that role. If LALD gets remade, I do not want Russell Crowe playing Mr. Big. If Shaft gets remade, I do NOT want Henry Cavill in the lead role. Bond is WHITE.............case closed If Broccoli deems it necessary to push her father's franchise to the ultimate and reprehensible extreme, then let this franchise rot within the stench she will have created. Idris as Bond will end it for many outside of these forums UNLESS the under 30 aged minions follow the green vegetable like sheep to whatever wasteland she takes them. Bond is not bisexual either and should never be seen as such. That is not a homophobic statement. It is a matter of undeniable fact. Enough already with this liberal political correctness BS. Facts are facts. If anyone doesn't like the truth, too darn bad if they are offended by not bending and conforming to their alternate realities in life.

[Kristatos]

But eye colour and skin colour is the same as Fleming's description, so I can overlook the hair colour. Changing skin colour may not sound drastic to many, and some may call me racist for thinking otherwise, but the basis of Fleming's Bond is an old fashioned, Empire flag waving colonial relic, educated in Eton, and is white.

So would you accept a black Bond, Kris?

No, but I don't accept Craig either. You can't push the line that acting ability is all that matters, and then throw up your hands in horror when that argument is taken to its logical conclusion. Bond is specifically mentioned as having dark hair in the books, whereas to the best of my recollection, his skin colour is never mentioned. Of course, the most likely explanation for that is that in Fleming's day, it was simply assumed that a Briton was white unless otherwise stated. But if you confine yourself strictly to the textual evidence, it is perfectly possible that Bond has been black all along and that casting directors have been getting it wrong this past 50 years.

[Captain Arthurs]

In 2005 when rumours of Daniel Craig's casting of Bond emerged he received abuse on the Bond forums from people who subsequently defended him when he was cast. For example the person who runs the Dr Shatterhand site said a person who looked like Craig would not be cast but then Shatterhand (the person who runs/ran the website not Blofeld ) became a Craig fan.

So it would not surprise me if many people who oppose a black Bond now became fanatical supporters of a black Bond if that happened (and I'm not talking about my old chum the Jet Set Willy/Sweeney so don't have a go at me )

[Kristatos]

Elba is a cool cat, much cooler than Craig. I'd prefer him over Craig any day of the week.

Pacific Rim is my most anticipated movie of the year, mostly because of Guillermo Del Toro, but partly because of Elba.

[The Sweeney]

But eye colour and skin colour is the same as Fleming's description, so I can overlook the hair colour. Changing skin colour may not sound drastic to many, and some may call me racist for thinking otherwise, but the basis of Fleming's Bond is an old fashioned, Empire flag waving colonial relic, educated in Eton, and is white.

So would you accept a black Bond, Kris?

No, but I don't accept Craig either. You can't push the line that acting ability is all that matters, and then throw up your hands in horror when that argument is taken to its logical conclusion. Bond is specifically mentioned as having dark hair in the books, whereas to the best of my recollection, his skin colour is never mentioned. Of course, the most likely explanation for that is that in Fleming's day, it was simply assumed that a Briton was white unless otherwise stated. But if you confine yourself strictly to the textual evidence, it is perfectly possible that Bond has been black all along and that casting directors have been getting it wrong this past 50 years.

It often says the scar showed pale down Bond's left cheek, couple with the blue grey eyes, the occassional sunburned face, talk of having to get his skin used to the sun (when in Jamaica in Dr. No?) and I think its safe to say Bond was described as white in the books. You are not telling me Fleming really wrote Bond as black all along are you Kris? How does that work in the LALD novel then, or when Bond turns Japanese in YOLT?

Like I've said numerous times, the blonde hair I have issues with, I've always maintained that ever since 2005 when Craig was first picked. And Craig's hair is way too short in SF.

[bjmdds]

Why is it racist if you describe the exact description Fleming outlined? I am getting fed up of everything being deemed racist by liberals in our global society. Apollo Creed's character was BLACK. If Rocky is remade, I do NOT want Nicholas Cage playing that role. If LALD gets remade, I do not want Russell Crowe playing Mr. Big. If Shaft gets remade, I do NOT want Henry Cavill in the lead role. Bond is WHITE.............case closed If Broccoli deems it necessary to push her father's franchise to the ultimate and reprehensible extreme, then let this franchise rot within the stench she will have created. Idris as Bond will end it for many outside of these forums UNLESS the under 30 aged minions follow the green vegetable like sheep to whatever wasteland she takes them. Bond is not bisexual either and should never be seen as such. That is not a homophobic statement. It is a matter of undeniable fact. Enough already with this liberal political correctness BS. Facts are facts. If anyone doesn't like the truth, too darn bad if they are offended by not bending and conforming to their alternate realities in life.

[Kristatos]

But eye colour and skin colour is the same as Fleming's description, so I can overlook the hair colour. Changing skin colour may not sound drastic to many, and some may call me racist for thinking otherwise, but the basis of Fleming's Bond is an old fashioned, Empire flag waving colonial relic, educated in Eton, and is white.

So would you accept a black Bond, Kris?

No, but I don't accept Craig either. You can't push the line that acting ability is all that matters, and then throw up your hands in horror when that argument is taken to its logical conclusion. Bond is specifically mentioned as having dark hair in the books, whereas to the best of my recollection, his skin colour is never mentioned. Of course, the most likely explanation for that is that in Fleming's day, it was simply assumed that a Briton was white unless otherwise stated. But if you confine yourself strictly to the textual evidence, it is perfectly possible that Bond has been black all along and that casting directors have been getting it wrong this past 50 years.

It often says the scar showed pale down Bond's left cheek, couple with the blue grey eyes, the occassional sunburned face, talk of having to get his skin used to the sun (when in Jamaica in Dr. No?) and I think its safe to say Bond was described as white in the books. You are not telling me Fleming really wrote Bond as black all along are you Kris? How does that work in the LALD novel then, or when Bond turns Japanese in YOLT?

I wasn't being entirely serious, no. I was playing devil's advocate in order to advance an argument. If Idris was cast, however, I bet it would be about a millisecond before someone argued that for real on one of those other Bond boards that aren't us.

[The Sweeney]

I have just finished watching FYEO again and really enjoyed it. I was surprised how close it was to Risico. Definitely Moore's Fleming Bond moment.
But his hair looks very light in this film. It looks as blonde as Craig in certain scenes.

I would rate this as Moore's best.

[bjmdds]

Cable tv here is running a lot of Bond marathons. I watch a lot except Cr-egg's two when they are shown.

[The Saint 007]

I have just finished watching FYEO again and really enjoyed it. I was surprised how close it was to Risico. Definitely Moore's Fleming Bond moment.
But his hair looks very light in this film. It looks as blonde as Craig in certain scenes.

I would rate this as Moore's best.

And not too long ago you were telling me that you really didn't care much for the film. For Your Eyes Only is my second favourite Roger Moore Bond, and it's one of my favourites in the series. Really love the car and ski chase scenes.

Moore's hair did look lighter in the later films, and some Craig fans will even argue that would make him the first blonde-haired Bond of the series.

[bjmdds]

FBF, BIG news http://social.entertainment.msn.com/mov ... 9a30d0664c& Who cares about DC's next 2 Bonds with this kind of news?

[FormerBondFan]

More Star Wars. More escapism.

[The Sweeney]

And not too long ago you were telling me that you really didn't care much for the film. For Your Eyes Only is my second favourite Roger Moore Bond, and it's one of my favourites in the series.

I know, I've revised my opinion on it. There are no silly gadgets, OTT or very unrealistic moments, and Moore himself isn't as cheesy in this one. It is a great movie.

John Glen didn't do a bad job really overall - he directed 3 very good films - FYEO, TLD and LTK. I still don't care much for his other 2 films though - particularly AVTAK.

[Kristatos]

Moore's hair did look lighter in the later films, and some Craig fans will even argue that would make him the first blonde-haired Bond of the series.

After Craig, Moore is the actor who least resembles Fleming's physical description of Bond, though he does look a bit like Hoagy Carmichael in some shots.




I think it's only the fact that I was 5 when he was first cast as Bond, coupled with the fact that Fleming himself touted Moore as a possible Bond, that means I don't have the same problem accepting him as Bond that I do with Craig. I have the same trouble with Craig's Bond that I do with Charles Gray's Blofeld - whatever the merits of their performances, neither feels like the same character that was depicted by the previous actors to play the role. I don't altogether blame Craig or Gray for that, though. In both cases, the characters were written differently to the way they were portrayed before in the films, so I can't entirely fault the actors for playing the characters the way they were written. And Skyfall, for all its faults, did at least make some effort to address this. I could easily imagine that "circle of life" line being delivered by any of the previous Bond actors, for example.