The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[The Saint 007]

I've seen people on IMDb say that the gunbarrel at the end of Quantum Of Solace is a symbol of Bond transitioning into the cool spy we all know and love. The average viewer, on the other hand, will see it as the filmmakers being complete fools. I'm a James Bond fan, but I must say that some of these so-called "symbols" are just going a little too deep, and it just comes across as ridiculous artistic creativity to most viewers.

And I'm not hesitant to say that I think Quantum Of Solace is the worst Bond film. Like I said before, it's not even passable as a standalone action film, and it's so boring that it can even put an insomniac like me to sleep. Seriously, I was yawning throughout the entire film, and I even slept in the next day. I consider myself to be an open-minded person, and I can find quality and entertainment value in Bond films that some consider to be average or bad. But I can't find any good qualities in Quantum Of Solace. Even when there's something that does have the potential of being somewhat good, it's ruined by terrible filming.

[katied]

I'll be curious to read the reviews from the UK. I'm sure places like MI6 will be full of fanboys praising it to the high heavens.

[Napoleon Solo]

There have been multiple stories about Quantum's script, not all of them consistent.

http://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2011/12 ... of-solace/

[Blowfeld]

There have been multiple stories about Quantum's script, not all of them consistent.

http://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2011/12 ... of-solace/

I'd forgotten all about the Wee Bas***d Baby Lynd.

Maybe Skyfall begins with a baby crying in his crib, a cherubim child looking suspiciously like Sean Connery. A shadowy figure cloaked in darkness hovers menacingly over the child, a withered hand caresses the child's cheek in a failed attempt to sooth it. A blur of motion and flap of a cloak the room is once again empty, the child is no longer crying, the camera moves in on the crib, its handsome occupant now gone replacing him is a baby with a serious pout, piercing blue eyes of a serial felon, and long lock of blond hair curling above his forehead. Lightning flashes as the rain patters against the window a word carved on the stone facing is illuminated.....SKYFALL. 40 Years later the occupant of the crib unknowing re-enacts the same scene at the Prague orphanage, this item the child is sleeping soundly, dark panda like markings over the child's eyes add to the sleeping innocents adorable nature. The scowling curmudgeon leaves the room after pouting meaningfully at the child. The name on the foot-board of the bed reads LYND. A light flashes, the fumbling man with a harsh face Father Time took a bat to clumsily flicked a light switch in the hallway. He had stumbled over a dead body in the dark hallway, one of the three men and two women had had killed infiltrating the orphanage (Open to the public weekdays 8am to 8pm ). Morosely he wonders why those people had to die.

[bjmdds]

FOREIGN TOTAL DAD:
Argentina 1/17/03 $312,538 33.6% $930,097 3/27/03
Australia 12/12/02 $3,826,197 36.4% $10,520,593 2/12/03
Austria 11/28/02 $1,336,857 36.2% $3,690,742 1/30/03
Bulgaria 1/24/03 $47,455 32.9% $144,390 5/4/03
Chile 12/12/02 $144,589 27.3% $530,058 2/12/03
Czech Republic 1/2/03 $290,760 33% $880,055 3/2/03
Egypt 1/1/03 - - $280,586 3/18/03
Finland 11/29/02 $641,564 25.3% $2,533,915 2/27/03
France 11/20/02 $7,526,657 32.4% $23,239,131 1/21/03
Germany 11/28/02 $11,057,645 33.4% $33,103,482 2/5/03
Greece 1/1/03 $754,800 30.4% $2,480,000 2/9/03
Hong Kong 1/29/03 - - $215,480 1/29/03
Hungary 12/19/02 - - $599,034 2/12/03
Italy 2/28/03 - - $6,119,089 4/10/03
Japan 3/8/03 $3,390,270 18.4% $18,441,255 4/13/03
Mexico 12/12/02 $2,117,597 28.4% $7,454,266 1/23/03
Netherlands 1/9/03 $1,689,988 23% $7,348,890 3/26/03
New Zealand 1/2/03 $770,496 43.1% $1,788,758 3/5/03
Norway N/A - - $3,799,472 4/6/03
Poland 11/22/02 $297,178 23.8% $1,247,330 1/26/03
Russia - CIS 12/11/02 - - $3,618,995 12/22/02
South Africa (Entire Region) 12/6/02 $766,519 31.7% $2,421,754 1/30/03
South Korea 1/3/03 $2,467,660 72.4% $3,409,983 1/16/03
Spain 11/22/02 $3,315,109 34.3% $9,658,648 1/9/03
Taiwan 1/31/03 $540,719 28.9% $1,870,696 3/2/03
Turkey 1/17/03 $368,985 30.5% $1,209,168 3/2/03
United Kingdom 11/22/02 $14,294,312 24.2% $59,182,873 2/2/03
QOS: - 10/31/08 $38,954,222 9.3% $417,722,300 4/12/09

Argentina Sony 11/6/08 $386,335 30.2% $1,280,370 Final
Aruba - 11/12/08 - - $56,115 Final
Australia Sony 11/19/08 $6,146,751 29.8% $20,645,336 Final
Austria Sony 11/7/08 $1,607,581 33.9% $4,745,206 Final
Bahrain - 11/6/08 - - $197,567 Final
Belgium Sony 11/5/08 $1,576,844 33.2% $4,752,556 Final
Bolivia - 11/6/08 $52,664 29.6% $177,838 Final
Brazil Sony 11/7/08 $2,177,002 29.1% $7,483,199 Final
Bulgaria Alexandra 11/7/08 $120,600 33.1% $364,191 Final
Central America - 11/7/08 - - $1,074,896 Final
Chile Sony 11/6/08 $259,998 27.4% $949,223 Final
China - 11/5/08 $9,622,134 45.8% $21,009,412 Final
Colombia - 11/7/08 $362,341 30.8% $1,176,309 Final
Croatia - 11/6/08 - - $472,114 Final
Curacao - 11/13/08 - - $50,592 Final
Czech Republic Falcon 11/6/08 $509,574 36.5% $1,397,782 Final
Denmark Dis./Sony 11/7/08 $1,975,900 26.8% $7,385,654 Final
Dominican Republic - 12/11/08 - - $209,190 Final
East Africa - 11/7/08 $78,630 32.7% $240,746 Final
Ecuador - 11/7/08 - - $494,860 Final
Egypt - 11/5/08 - - $328,382 Final
Estonia - 11/7/08 $113,585 31.8% $357,298 Final
Ethiopia - 11/7/08 - - $14,388 Final
Finland Dis./Sony 11/7/08 $1,168,173 22.4% $5,222,494 Final
France Sony 10/31/08 $10,620,181 34.4% $30,829,209 Final
Germany Sony 11/6/08 $14,884,633 36.5% $40,739,699 Final
Ghana - 12/5/08 - - $30,819 Final
Greece Aud. Vis. 11/6/08 $1,461,987 36.2% $4,033,157 1/18/09
Greece and Cyprus - 11/6/08 - - $4,190,172 Final
Hong Kong EDKO 11/6/08 $1,171,631 45.9% $2,550,839 Final
Hungary InterCom 11/13/08 $412,663 41% $1,007,137 Final
Iceland Sena 11/7/08 $122,370 29.5% $415,259 Final
India - 11/7/08 - - $9,127,201 Final
Indonesia - 11/5/08 - - $2,518,434 Final
Israel - 11/6/08 - - $1,380,991 Final
Italy Sony 11/7/08 $3,978,050 43.4% $9,174,615 Final
Jamaica - 11/12/08 - - $197,969 Final
Japan Sony 1/24/09 $6,452,284 29.8% $21,685,734 4/12/09
Jordan - 11/5/08 - - $186,734 Final
Kuwait - 11/6/08 - - $518,516 Final
Latvia Forum 11/7/08 $118,601 30.4% $389,579 Final
Lebanon - 11/6/08 $141,274 37.4% $377,512 Final
Lesser Antilles - 11/12/08 - - $268,079 Final
Lithuania ACME 11/7/08 $114,316 42% $272,082 Final
Malaysia - 11/6/08 $1,480,734 44.9% $3,294,649 Final
Mexico Sony 11/14/08 $2,300,082 38% $6,049,052 Final
Netherlands Sony 11/6/08 $2,249,196 25.4% $8,856,996 Final
New Zealand Sony 11/27/08 $846,296 28.1% $3,015,992 Final
Nigeria - 11/7/08 $82,270 29% $283,462 Final
Norway Disney 11/7/08 $2,032,381 30.3% $6,699,109 Final
Oman - 11/6/08 - - $85,745 Final
Pakistan - N/A - - $280,580 11/23/08
Peru - 11/19/08 $219,886 40.8% $539,450 Final
Philippines - 11/5/08 $1,095,305 50.3% $2,175,414 Final
Poland UIP 11/7/08 $1,676,943 33.5% $4,999,618 Final
Portugal Columbia 11/6/08 $863,246 34.2% $2,521,917 Final
Qatar - 11/6/08 - - $219,438 Final
Romania InterCom 11/7/08 $174,887 31.3% $558,042 Final
Russia - CIS Dis./Sony 11/6/08 $9,669,367 53.6% $18,054,093 Final
Serbia & Montenegro Tuck 11/6/08 $37,782 19.8% $190,398 Final
Singapore - 11/5/08 $1,088,684 43.9% $2,477,339 Final
Slovakia Itafilm 11/6/08 $121,607 35.9% $338,578 Final
Slovenia Continental 11/6/08 $193,631 39% $496,131 Final
South Africa (Entire Region) Ster Kinekor 11/19/08 $391,666 19.7% $1,983,685 Final
South Korea Sony 11/5/08 $3,338,347 28.9% $11,562,123 Final
Spain Sony 11/21/08 $5,142,528 42.8% $12,029,112 Final
Sweden Sony 10/31/08 $2,398,430 26.7% $8,990,483 Final
Switzerland Disney 11/5/08 $3,281,631 30.7% $10,702,249 Final
Switzerland (French-speaking) - 11/5/08 - - $2,004,213 Final
Switzerland (German-speaking) - 11/6/08 - - $8,522,377 Final
Switzerland (Italian-speaking) - 11/7/08 - - $175,659 Final
Syria - 11/20/08 - - $35,860 Final
Taiwan Dis./Sony 11/7/08 $949,337 25.8% $3,685,154 Final
Thailand Sony 11/5/08 $1,108,075 36.4% $3,044,260 Final
Turkey WB 11/7/08 $581,374 30.9% $1,881,279 Final
Ukraine B and H 11/6/08 $1,063,396 52.5% $2,026,217 Final
United Arab Emirates - 11/6/08 $997,501 48.4% $2,060,077 Final
United Kingdom Sony 10/31/08 $25,309,345 31.3% $80,805,643 Final
Uruguay - 12/26/08 $27,564 29.6% $92,992 Final
Venezuela - 12/5/08 $427,005 37% $1,155,619 Final
Vietnam - 11/14/08 - - $451,191 Final
There seems to be a lot more territories for Cr-egg than Brosnan overseas. How can they compare the 2 box offices then?

[Dr. No]

DAD, Brosnan in general did great business but the world got bigger along with the prices. Connery is king of Bond for Bond to do what he did in the 1960s it would be like a Bond movie doing Titanic numbers.

I don't know if anyone else remember this but there was a small scandal about Bond being Army instead of the Navy for CR. There Vesper's line in the movie but the bio put up by the movie company had Bond listed as Army. When it was noticed it was erased anybody who thought it meant anything bout the reboot was condemned.

It doesn't bother me some people like Craig, I do mind when they were telling me I wasn't a Bond fan because I didn't like him or the reboot. There's less of that today maybe it's time passing. Or maybe it's become ok for people to have differing opinions.
It does bother me that Bonds become people as fans of a franchise regardless of other factors. I was a fan of the movies, franchise didn't mean squat to me, I wasn't aware of Eon as a company until CR and the questionable decision of hiring Craig.

In the long run it probably doesn't matter who was Bond from 2006 to 2012 or 2016, it does hurt my enjoyment of a series I used to enjoy but I believe Bond will be back some day just as we were promised in 2002.

[The Sweeney]

It doesn't bother me some people like Craig, I do mind when they were telling me I wasn't a Bond fan because I didn't like him or the reboot. There's less of that today maybe it's time passing. Or maybe it's become ok for people to have differing opinions.
It does bother me that Bonds become people as fans of a franchise regardless of other factors.

I think this goes both ways Doc. It irks me when I hear certain fans saying only true Bond fans could not possibly like Craig as 007, and anyone who does are not real Bond fans, but are more Craig fans.

Personally, other than Layer Cake and Munich, I cannot stand any movie Craig has made outside of Bond.

[Omega]

Coordinated attacks on embassies, one ambassador dead situations turn ugly quick in the middle east.

[Omega]

It doesn't bother me some people like Craig, I do mind when they were telling me I wasn't a Bond fan because I didn't like him or the reboot. There's less of that today maybe it's time passing. Or maybe it's become ok for people to have differing opinions.
It does bother me that Bonds become people as fans of a franchise regardless of other factors.

I think this goes both ways Doc. It irks me when I hear certain fans saying only true Bond fans could not possibly like Craig as 007, and anyone who does are not real Bond fans, but are more Craig fans.

I think the line in the sand gets lost. It's a reboot so all the movies before it are poured on to the sand, some accept that and are wiling to go with it. Others like me find it hard to see where the Craig series has much to do with the Bond series of record. Maybe it has nothing to do with it but it hard to tell if it is supposed to be that way.

I don't see the same character in Craig's movies I first came to like watching Dalton earn his stripes in Afghanistan and then take it to new heights in LTK. It's technically not the same series but it's supposed to be the same character. Some have an easier time with Craig throwing a friend in a dumpster which Dalton would never do, and a guy who doesn't give a d**n bout his drink. Dalton many get pissed but he'll order something worth drinking.

Personally, other than Layer Cake and Munich, I cannot stand any movie Craig has made outside of Bond.

Did you see Girl the the Dragon Tattoo? That's another one that divides people, I think the remake came too closely on the heels of the original movies. Some love the Girl hate Craig, some love Craig and hate everything else about the movie.
Kind of a sweet revenge both stars of the original movies got big blockbuster roles, not that they'll keep it up they probably wont.


One last thought on the reboot maybe it they had gone with a really young actor it would be better, Lazenby was 30, Connery was 32, after them is was actors in their 40s for most the the series. Maybe if they had gone young like they original wanted for Dalton and Brosnan it'd be different. Imagine Dalton at 25 in OHMSS? He wouldn't have quit either. Brosnan at 34 would be interesting too.

[The Sweeney]

I don't see the same character in Craig's movies I first came to like watching Dalton earn his stripes in Afghanistan and then take it to new heights in LTK. It's technically not the same series but it's supposed to be the same character. Some have an easier time with Craig throwing a friend in a dumpster which Dalton would never do, and a guy who doesn't give a d**n bout his drink. Dalton many get pissed but he'll order something worth drinking.

The dumpster thing I had issues with, as it was supposed to be Bond thinking on his feet, making out like Mathis had been mugged for cash, shot and body then dumped by some hoods, so Bond was covering his tracks. However, the way it was implemented was poor to say the least. It cane across like Craig couldn't give a toss about his mate, and was even taking his last money off him before throwing the body in a dumpster. Very badly executed, even if the idea itself was Flemingesque.

I think Craig's character is closer to the early Connery flicks, and Dalton in LTK, but light years away from the interpretation of Moore and Brosnan.

[katied]

Bond throwing Mathis' body in the dumpster was one of the more "WTF?!?" moments in the Bond films(and there are plenty of them besides that!)

[tehmanis]

Bond throwing Mathis' body in the dumpster was one of the more "WTF?!?" moments in the Bond films(and there are plenty of them besides that!)

Bond CGI surfing and Bond first razzies nomination for worst screen couple (brosnun and denise) were the lowest moment in the Bond films

[Dr. No]

It doesn't bother me some people like Craig, I do mind when they were telling me I wasn't a Bond fan because I didn't like him or the reboot. There's less of that today maybe it's time passing. Or maybe it's become ok for people to have differing opinions.
It does bother me that Bonds become people as fans of a franchise regardless of other factors.

I think this goes both ways Doc. It irks me when I hear certain fans saying only true Bond fans could not possibly like Craig as 007, and anyone who does are not real Bond fans, but are more Craig fans.

Personally, other than Layer Cake and Munich, I cannot stand any movie Craig has made outside of Bond.

It goes both ways I guess. I believe there are plenty who don't like Craig who can accept some do like him were as when CR first came out it was heresy not fall in line with the franchise POV.
Franchise fans bother me because it become less and less about the characters or quality of the films. I think if the fans critical of Bond had been paid attention EON would have made some better movies they squandered tow actors who brought a lot to the table in the 80s and 90s.

[carl stromberg]

Bond throwing Mathis' body in the dumpster was one of the more "WTF?!?" moments in the Bond films(and there are plenty of them besides that!)

Bond CGI surfing and Bond first razzies nomination for worst screen couple (brosnun and denise) were the lowest moment in the Bond films

Did you enjoy the CGI parachute jump in QOS?

[tehmanis]

Bond throwing Mathis' body in the dumpster was one of the more "WTF?!?" moments in the Bond films(and there are plenty of them besides that!)

Bond CGI surfing and Bond first razzies nomination for worst screen couple (brosnun and denise) were the lowest moment in the Bond films

Did you enjoy the CGI parachute jump in QOS?

i don't like it either (one of the several reasons i don't like about QOS).But for me, Bond CGI surfing is the lowest moment in the Bond films, second only by razzies nomination for worst screen couple (TWINE). It very embarrassing for Bond film to get nominations.

[katied]

Ugh that parachute jump in Po. I mean QOS. Fake as all get out. I know CGI is an essential part of movie making, but some directors use it to the point of laziness.

[The Saint 007]

I don't like CGI effects in Bond, it's better to have the amazing stunts done for real. The real-life stunts is what gives more memorable qualities and entertainment value in the Bond films. With all the money that was spent, as well as all the fancy technology we have nowadays, I don't understand why the CGI effects looked so lousy In Die Another Day and Quantum Of Solace.

[Omega]

Star wars wen all digital for almost anything but Lord Of the Rings shows how to mix both elements successfully. Bond does need CGI for some FX but it doesn't need a lot of it. Modeling and traditional FX works better I think.

I wonder if DAD and the super gene therapy isn't where Michael Moore got the idea Cuba's medical care is the best in the world.

[Omega]

It's been a hard year for the BO so far, if the movie isn't a smash hit it drags along. I don't know if its the movies or the economy.

MIB 3 $624,026,776 *Didn't break even.
Amazing Spider-man $743,871,241 *close to breaking even.
Snow White and the Huntsman $396,397,203 *Didn't break even and ruined Kristen Stewart's career. Bonus!
Prometheus $378,548,176 *Close to breaking even sad because its one of the better movies this year.
The Bourne Legacy $182,347,278 *Nowhere near breaking even somehow it's a successful relaunch of the series?

Biggest winners

The Avengers $1,507,517,359
The Dark Knight Rises $1,041,751,214
Hunger games $685,080,950

Biggest losers

John Carter $282,778,100 *Micky Mouse has to wear last years shoes! d**n you John Carter!
Battleship $302,836,260 *d**n you John Carter!
Dark Shadows $236,527,149 *d**n you Helena Bonham Carter!
Total Recall $166,027,693 *d**n you Kate Beckinsale-Carter!

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

I preferred the olden days when models were used in movies. CGI is great as is means many things can be done in movies but sometimes it looks awful.