The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[tehmanis]

Here's the Michael G. Wilson talk. Go to the 11:00 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZGqx3c9bWs

It does seem the talk about replacing Bond is more hypothetical than Craig specific. Still, it was MGW who raised the idea of Craig doing eight movies, now he's saying don't be afraid to replace your actor.

yes he is no afraid to replace Brosnan, is it that wonderful?

[Mazer Rackham]

Times are a changing Sweeney. The fact the intellectually hibernated MGW even hinted at a possible replacement goes a long way. DC has zero other projects lined up. Why? Because the Hollywood elites have finally caught up to this forum's senses and have realized that DC is a detriment, not an asset any longer, to Bond. He's yesterday's news and will quickly fade to oblivion, right FBF?

Most people I've spoken to here in the UK thought Craig was the best thing in the Olympic opening ceremony.
Sorry BJ but I think that stint with the Queen has done his popularity wonders. If ever there was a popularity boost, that was definitely Craig's moment.

Come Skyfall, I think Craig's failing career outside Bond may turn a huge corner....

Willie mate. Take a breath you're too deep. Nitrogen Narcosis is setting in.

Craig is the best thing in the Olympic opener to someone only if he was the best thing since sliced bread before the opener. That one small scene was quickly eclipsed by the rest of the ceremony, then the Olympic events. I doubt most watching outside the uK knew who he was supposed to be.

I don't think anyone in Tinseltown is lining up to offer Craig $6m to crash land another potential film series. Craig is not a leading man he can act just not in the league he imagines himself in. He'll soon seek out more eclectic roles.

His career is in very much in the hands of MGM/Sony, Skyfall needs to be certain things for them, if not they have the power to launch Craig's career away from Bond or stifle any new offers that might come his way. If they want him to stay for one more he probably will.

MGW I wouldn't get excited over his speech yet. Mikey is historically all over the place so who knows if this has any real meaning beyond he still regrets what happened with Brozza. I would think it indicts some of the pressure EON is under from within and without to re-brand Bond for this decade, the Bourne mimicry is petering out the studio see the writing on the wall and would like to change this up. Now the studio is always ready to do this (usually) but the truth is money follows the path of least resistance so this is the way they will go. Same for EON as well.

A lot depend on the money Skyfall brings in, critical/fan reaction could go either way in importance, however the money is non negotiable -from there all other decisions will radiate.
One thing not negotiable is 2014, if Craig can't be ready for 2014 I do think they'll want another to take his place. With what MGM is trying to do it is critical to be in full production on Bond. In the end I think the question will be is it easier with Craig or not.

Bond is bigger than any actor who portrays him and no director, writer or producer is indispensable.

[bjmdds]

Spiderman 3: $890,871,626 Spiderman 2: $783,766,341 Spiderman: $821,708,551 Non-Amazing Spiderman: $691,522,240 Pascal was wrong.......again They were actually dreaming of $800 million worldwide when it was released.............why bother?..............Bourne 4 will fade fast too...............Bond is next in line until resurrected with Cavill..............right FBF? Marvel's The Avengers Sequel set for 5/1/15.

[FormerBondFan]

Bond is next in line until resurrected with Cavill..............right FBF?

We need an LTK response (if not a John Carter response) for Bond 23, especially here in the US.

Marvel's The Avengers Sequel set for 5/1/15.

I'm all about The Avengers. I like to see Justice League on screen, but I rather prefer to see other DC comic superheroes dealing with their respective solo adventures. If JL movie is never going to happen even when the Marvel Cinematic Universe is complete, I'm fine with that.

[bjmdds]

"Mendes admits that London isn’t a very photogenic city, and that there’s an actual challenge in making it look exciting and cinematic." Genius statement to promote a film. Cr-egg actually thinks he knows what people want in a Bond film. "Sam and I" states DC.

[FormerBondFan]

Cr-egg actually thinks he knows what people want in a Bond film. "Sam and I" states DC.

It's not about what people want. It's all about shoving down people's throat, and this is EON's plan with Bond 23.

[Kristatos]

"Mendes admits that London isn’t a very photogenic city, and that there’s an actual challenge in making it look exciting and cinematic."

Are you freaking kidding me? Hell, Torchwood managed to make even Cardiff look "exciting and cinematic".

[bjmdds]

http://news.moviefone.com/2012/08/15/sk ... 85128.html Surprised Kris? Not me. DC and obviously this loser director are two clueless, moronic, inane, an unlikable individuals. Maybe the UKers will stay home after this comment. I hope so, right FBF? "Sam and I"...."London is very dark and sinister"......NOT

[Omega]

"Mendes admits that London isn’t a very photogenic city, and that there’s an actual challenge in making it look exciting and cinematic."

Are you freaking kidding me? Hell, Torchwood managed to make even Cardiff look "exciting and cinematic".

I doubt anyone will care. But so many films make London look "exciting and cinematic" how could these guys have a hard time with it.

[FormerBondFan]

Maybe the UKers will stay home after this comment. I hope so, right FBF? "Sam and I"...."London is very dark and sinister"......NOT

I hope so.

[Blowfeld]

Going over news blurbs; What is Barbara going on about?

''A lot of the books focus on accidie -- [highlight=#ffffbf]this revulsion he had for his profession; it's not easy killing people[/highlight].

accidie [ˈæksɪdɪ], acedia
n
(Christian Religious Writings / Theology) spiritual sloth; apathy; indifference
[in use C13 to C16 and revived C19: via Late Latin from Greek akēdia, from a-1 + kēdos care]

Definition of ACEDIA
: apathy, boredom
Some commonly reported psychological signs revolve around a lack of attention to daily tasks and an overall dissatisfaction with life. The best-known of the psychological signs of acedia is tedium, boredom or general laziness.

''He fell completely in love with Vesper and she betrayed him, so he realises, from that point, he can never be susceptible to a relationship again.''

Except he falls in love in virtually every book. Forgetting of course about Tracy.. Blasted scarlet woman.

In 'Casino Royale' Vesper - the one girl the suave spy really fell for - dies and Barbara says it has made him even more determined to enjoy his life with no responsibilities.

What is this form of a question maybe
Alex who is Tracy?
Vesper's death in no way made Bond a cad as Barbara sees him. Bond was Bond before the events found in the first page he was Bond after saying the 'Bitch is dead'. He wrote off Vespers life while Chasing down her kidnappers.

She added to the London Evening Standard newspaper: ''He has this voracious appetite for life; he's going to drink and eat and have sex because he doesn't know in the next moment if he's going to be killed. The black humour is his way of dealing with death, he laughs in its face.''

Yea....umm.Errr. What exactly is she trying to justify here? Connery's jokes or Daniel trying to bring his own brand of dark humour.

Fleming always had Bond as hedonist, humour well that's more the movies.

[Blowfeld]

Dr. Benjamin Pratt, a literary expert on Ian Fleming’s James Bond explains Fleming's use of accidie thusly;

Today, I want to explain the more unusual term: Accide. You’ll find parables of Accidie in Live and Let Die, Dr. No and You Only Live Twice.

But the dangerous concept of Accidie actually is captured in Bond’s most famous line: his martini order of “shaken, not stirred.” That phrase has surprisingly deeper meaning than its obvious reference to mixing a drink. Accidie occurs when your life is deeply shaken but you are no longer stirred to fight for the right and good in life. Accidie is the heart of the dragon without passion, spirit or vitality; it is consumed by sloth. Its blood is cool, fostering indifference, carelessness, boredom and cynicism about life and God. Fleming’s most evil characters—Dr. No, Blofeld and Mr. Big—all confess accidie in the novels.

Truly trying to be fair. Am I misunderstanding what Barbara is trying to say here? Seems like she does not get what Ian wrote or how the word she used is ...well used. Remember the lead up to QOS all kind of confusion with them trying to define what Ian meant by QOS eventhou Ian defines point blank in the story.

[Kristatos]

Anna Karenina has been rated 12A here. Films with that rating are usually PG-13 in the States. Must have been one of those borderline cases.

[The Sweeney]

Truly trying to be fair. Am I misunderstanding what Barbara is trying to say here? Seems like she does not get what Ian wrote or how the word she used is ...well used. Remember the lead up to QOS all kind of confusion with them trying to define what Ian meant by QOS eventhou Ian defines point blank in the story.

I just read that article by Babs. I don't really see anything glaring wrong in what she wrote, and I do get the point she was trying to make that Bond was living life to the full, because he never knew when it would be over, due to his dangerous profession.

With the term accidie, this was also very evident in many of the Bond novels, particular in the later ones. Bond would often feel a touch of boredom and depression. The only time this has really been touched upon in the films was in the Dalton movies, particularly in TLD, when Dalton states that if he was fired, he would thank them for it.

So it looks as though in Skyfall we will see a touch of the Bond in TB and YOLT, where Fleming has Bond fed up by his job. I'm guessing there are also hints of the opening to TMWTGG judging by the trailer too.

[Kristatos]

http://news.moviefone.com/2012/08/15/sk ... 85128.html Surprised Kris? Not me. DC and obviously this loser director are two clueless, moronic, inane, an unlikable individuals. Maybe the UKers will stay home after this comment. I hope so, right FBF? "Sam and I"...."London is very dark and sinister"......NOT

Actually, yes. I have doubted whether Mendes was the right choice of director for Bond, but I never thought of him as an idiot. To say that London is not exciting and cinematic is a staggeringly idiotic statement, however, and prompted me (in my typically artisitcally inept fashion) to turn a montage of London landmarks into a "McKayla Maroney is not impressed" meme over on the Fan Art subforum.

[The Saint 007]

I remember seeing an article about Sam Mendes saying how James Bond has similarities to Shakespeare, so his statement about London not being exciting and cinematic isn't the only strange thing he has said.

[katied]

I didn' t understand the Maroney thing..now I get it[/blonde moment]

[Omega]

Expendables 2 is doing good
supposedly only cost $80 million too

Weekend Forecast (August 17-19)
1. The Expendables 2 - $37.1 million
2. Paranorman - $19.6 million
3. The Bourne Legacy - $17.4 million (-54%)
4. The Campaign - $13.6 million (-49%)
5. Sparkle - $13.1 million
-. The Odd Life of Timothy Green - $10.5 million ($14.5 million 5-day)

Great another Emo Bond movie is coming down the pipe

[bjmdds]

Meanwhile, The Bourne Legacy plummeted at the beginning of its second weekend. The Bourne Legacy fell 62 percent to an estimated $5.3 million. That's a steeper Friday-to-Friday decline than any of the previous Bourne movies (even 2007's The Bourne Ultimatum, which was coming off a huge opening weekend), and suggests that word-of-mouth isn't all that strong here. Through eight days, the reboot/spin-off has earned $57.9 million, and Universal is forecasting a weekend gross just under $17 million. (Our predictions have been on the money with the new Spidey not coming close to Tobey's numbers, the Bat approaching $900 million and under the prior film, and this Bourne flick tanking faster than Quick Draw Mcgraw. Genetically engineered spies and Lizards wearing lab coats are not what is desired. Bond 23 will make money the first weekend in the USA but then disappear quickly and 75% of it's USA revenue, whatever that will be, will be achieved in the first 2 weeks, after which, it will fade fast because nobody wants to see a "suicidal, lemon-faced Bond" in a plot that is stolen from various other films and spliced together without originality. Poor casting and I predict Q will be laughed at by both critics and moviegoers. FBF will sit this film out for sure.)

[English Agent]

I saw the 'Bourne Legacy' last night........and i thought it was a pretty good film!

Next on my list is the new Bat flick.