stockslivevan wrote:Alessandra wrote:My main problem is there's no James Bond whatsoever. Not in his looks (at all) not in his manners (at all) least of all in his actions (at all).
I see plenty of Bond in QOS. When it comes to looks the only thing that really sticks out is that he has blond hair, otherwise he looks like how Fleming describes as a man with cold hard looks. Mannerisms? Which exactly?
Uhm, Fleming did NOT describe a man with cold hard looks. Fleming had extremely specific physical details about him, too, and Craig has NONE of those. NONE. Tall (absolutely not) dark-haired (not a chance), handsome (HELL NO!), elegant (OMG don't even get me started), with curious eyes. This thing of the cold looks is a VERY understated assessment Fleming makes in CR WHILE DESCRIBING A SLEEPING BOND (I've yet to see anyone who doesn't look serious and cold while they're sleeping), that pro-Craig people have somehow turned into a fundamental feature of the description. It's not. AT ALL. In fact, when talking about awake Bond there's anything BUT cold non-expression to him. He's described as attentive and curious, and someone who has a VERY distinct taste for both food, beverages AND clothes. Absolutely NONE of these characteristics belong to Craig's Bond. And don't even get me started about that absolutely INSULTING line "do I look like I give a d**n" about the Martini, who destroys the entire Bond description Fleming makes in CR just with one line. I'm going to really laugh at those who even think about saying Craig's Bond is close to Fleming. If anything it is the FURTHER they've gotten from what Fleming described.
One Bondian moment I'll point to is when he's escorted to a shitty looking hotel by Fields. He steps in for a couple of seconds and walks out never looking back "suit yourself, I rather be in a morgue". After checking in a five star hotel suite he bangs Fields. Swagger, snobbery and sex.
Uhm no. That's ignorant arrogance. Craig doesn't have either the looks, or the class, or the elegance in movements, or the taste and ABSOLUTELY NOT the sex appeal to do that. And that line sucks.
My favorite Bondian moment with Craig is probably after he wins the poker game and immediately has a late night dinner with Vesper. That's not Jason Bourne. Bourne would order at a diner with his hoodie up.
That IS Jason Bourne. Because Bond would know what he's ordering AND the Bond in the book does not order dinner the same way as that ignorant CHAV that we see on screen in CR does. Not to mention of course he has absolutely none of the physical attributes Fleming gives him in CR. The dinner scene in the book quickly gets uncomfortable AND Bond is giving extremely specific orders on what he wants and showing he's a very classy man in many areas, including his gourmet taste. Daniel Craig's Bond doesn't look classy even when wearing a tux. You can't buy class, you either have it or you don't, and Daniel Craig doesn't even know the meaning of the word. That of course means his entire portrayal of Bond makes Bond a generic killer instead of the ultra sophisticated, classy connaisseur of life and its pleasures that Fleming describes in his books.
The Bolivian water scheme? Lowkey but I wouldn't call it pure nonsense. TWINE, now that has a lot of nonsense. Like Cigar girl shooting at Bond from her boat just to start another mundane Vic Armstrong action sequence ripping off better boat chases from the Roger Moore films.
Oh right and that of course is worse than a plot that has no sense and no importance whatsoever and action scenes that make people want to throw up and where people absolutely don't understand what the hell is going on? The action scenes in TWINE are great, including the boat scene. I'm sorry but that's not opinion... any self-respecting second unit director would slam down the QoS ones and tell you the TWINE ones are WAY better from every single point of view.
]I'll admit that Greene was too underdeveloped but I wouldn't tag him as the weakest. Blofeld in YOLT, Stromberg, Carver, Renard, Elektra, Graves I consider far weaker.
You're kidding. Elektra would kick Greene's ass in two seconds. She was badass AND classy and gorgeous while being so. Perfect Bond product. Carver was the typical Bond crazy villain, and he had exactly that crazy evil going for him that works just fine. And seriously, Blofeld is a classic Bond villain that should never even be compared to Greene in QoS. Same goes for the other mentione ones. That was possibly the worst villain EVER in a Bond movie.
Oh please. Worse than Goodnight, Triple X, Bibi, Stacey, Paris, Elektra, Christmas Jones and especially Jinx? Ridiculous. I don't think Vesper and Camile rank among the classic Bond girls. In fact I don't think there really has been a classic Bond girl since probably OHMSS. I'd rank them along with Pam and Natalya in the better modern Bond girl category.
What?

Vesper SUCKED so badly that I can't even begin to explain. She was unattractive, with ridiculous baroque dresses, make up like Morticia Addams and COMPLETELY incompetent and incapable. Whatever she did, she did by pure coincidence. Eva Green made her the second-worst Bond girl I've ever seen in movies. And the worst gets the prize just because freaking girl (Denise Richards) wouldn't know acting if it bit her in the behind. Other than that, she was WAY worse than ALL the above mentioned. IN every single aspect. Eva Green can't act, totally inexpressive, and don't get me started on the fact her style SUCKED. Makeup, dresses, everything. She was as expressive as a dead fish. The only expressions she got were when they made her twenty kilos of eyeliner drool down from her eyes. Nice. NOT. Don't even get me started about the amount of bad taste she showed on the red carpet too. (Which YES is also a FUNDAMENTAL part of being a Bond girl, you represent the franchise just like Bond does.)
Camille ONLY had the right looks. As far as the rest she was so underdeveloped people are NEVER going to remember her for Bond movies because she was completely insignificant. Comparing them to Pam Bouvier is insulting to both the character and the actress. Both so much better than the two aforementioned nobodies there's absolutely so comparison. And, Vesper wasn't a modern Bond girl at ALL. She was a useless, incompetent, incapable Bond girl whose only casual achievement was to save Bond at a certain moment, something that happened coincidentally, not because of her skills or preparation. She had absolutely no skill for anything. Not even for lying since when she started the biggest lie, Bond immediately understood. (By the way they also made Bond a PATHETIC Barbara Cartland romance novel guy in the second part of CR, something I will NEVER forgive them for. And no, it's not the way it is in the CR novel AT ALL). And this about Vesper, despite in theory being the most important (and maybe the most devious, given the situation) one of the entire franchise. We can thank the useless Eva Green for that, alongside with the script.
Considering you dare saying that the incompetent, incapable and absolutely style-lacking Vesper not to mention the totally insignificant (albeit gorgeous) Camille compare to KICKASS Pam Bouvier who sets a standard for Bond girls (while those two destroy what the Bond girl is all about) I'm not surprised. Elektra instead is the one who is exactly in the same range as Pam and, more than Pam, Lupe, since she is the evil Bond girl and not the good one. A badass, evil, gorgeous girl who knows exactly what she wants, goes after it, and doesn't hesitate to kill people in the process. Doing so while always displaying beauty and style.
You show promise here. Just work on that.
Right back at you!
I'm sorry I didn't mean to oblige you to show a photo! I actually still think of you as Sark (that's a compliment, he's the evil guy, but he's a good-looking, competent and stylish one at that

). nice photo
