bjmdds wrote:Ale, out of your own words pled my case. In the USA, it is the LIBERAL wing that wants the government to raise the children, let them have it easy, not be punished, and not take responsibility for their actions, just blame someone else. Look at the garbage the liberal media in the USA puts on television. These are NOT conservative principles here in the USA. Conservatives believe in religion, disciplining children, raising them with concerned parents, etc., with LESS government intrusion. Ever hear of Hillary's book It Takes A Village To Raise a Child? Your liberal European view is identical to our USA conservative view.
My liberal friends in the USA share my exact same views on raising children and family and NOT wanting the government to take care of children when it is THEIR duty to do so. While the conservatives I know (not many, to be fair) all have rude, spoiled bratts for kids, who are taught not to respect anything or anyone because they have money. (Mind you, my liberal friends are also very well-off people, but their children aren't taught that having money means they get a free card not to respect other people). So I'm just guessing this has a lot more to do with personal education and the family one comes from rather than political ideas?
In the end, I think it's not about political position in this case, but about general common sense. People who have common sense and education, regardless of their political view, will raise their children accordingly. Common sense is the one thing that is totally lacking in the world. I have to say though that what you describe above is the opposite of what conservatives do here in terms of raising children. You can stay assured the right-wingers here raise SPOILED BRATTS in most cases. While it is much more likely for liberal people to teach them to have respect for authority and their country and not to behave in certain ways. After all we have a prime example of a disgusting uber conservative here in our Prime Minister Berlusconi, who is involved in a prostitution trial including a MINOR (girl was 16 back then), for organizing parties (the word should be another) at his house full of, well ,those types of women. Not to mention obliging police to deliver this underage prostitute girl to one of his "assistants" once she was arrested, saying (obviously lying, as of course then was ascertained) that she was Egyptian President Mubarak's niece.
He has done ALL sorts of illegal things financially speaking as well (finally his company HAS been condemned to pay back what they refused to pay another company that they damaged), and he dares badmouth judges in this country even at international gatherings. It is SHAMEFUL. This dude, twice divorced and entertaining himself with prostitutes including minors, then goes on to talk about "family values" in his public speeches. AND he always talked about religion, too. He has stopped now because the Church powers finally realized what a disgusting being he is and were forced to distance themselves from him even publicly. I find him and his behaviour offensive on so many levels I can't even begin to explain. Yet this country of IDIOTS keeps voting for him (not on the last round of city voting thankfully... and hopefully we will soon have another government and we'll finally get rid of this clown).
I'm definitely a liberal, who wants public school system to be functional and everyone to have access to education, as well as of course public health care like we've always had (not that anyone here states otherwise, it is unthinkable for Europeans in general not to have public health care. If you want private you can of course and pay). I want parents and families to be the FIRST AND SOLE responsible for their children. It is parents' first duty to teach children manners and respect for themselves and for others. And saying NO is one of the most important things a parent can do for their child. It seems like all of this is anathema right now. It's all gone upside down. I am serious when I say the parents of these kids who did what they did in London should be arrested. THEY are the first to bear responsibility for what happened. It's just unreal. And it really doesn't take much violence to fix this: like I said, they should have used tear gas and water cannons right away. No particular physical harm but absolutely effective. My friends in London were stunned these systems weren't being used. That said, situation has improved drastically in the past 24 hours so hopefully now they'll LEARN from this? I really hope so.
save all that money on court cases etc.
The inmates are running the asylum. 
