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Alessandra wrote:BTW, if we're talking who Craig looks like and the perfect role for him, I believe my friend Rosa and I found the perfect fit, because he DOES look a LOT like Barney Rubble from the Flintstones. I swear it's him!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Are you sure you got your comparison right 'Ale'............i mean isnt Barney Rubble......a short, dim-witted caveman? .......OK Fred! :D
:lol: :lol: Exactly! :lol:

I agree, they don't make them as good as the Flintstones anymore. Needless to say if Craig is Barney Rubble we need to find a suitable Fred. I'd say De Vito? :lol:

LOL BJ that new Jor-El photo is SO badly photoshopped! I do think Crowe is the perfect choice because of how he can be a despotic twat :lol: Jor-El is a lot like that many times, not exactly always the loving father.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHhwL5E ... dded#at=40 This proves the studio knows it's a loser.
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An interesting article.............when you think about it, the title of the film was a pretty poor choice.
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That's a very well-informed and interesting article that dares say the things not many dare say. In particular:
2. No Stars
Daniel Craig and Harrison Ford may seem like box-office draws but let’s be honest: Audiences have not been kind to any of their recent ventures outside of their martini-sipping and fedora-wearing comfort zones. (Ford’s résumé in particular deserves a harsher reexamination. The guy hasn’t had a legitimate, non-Indy action hit since Air Force One, a movie that would have celebrated its bar mitzvah last year.) Robert Downey Jr. was originally cast as the lead cowpoke (he bailed to cross-dress in Sherlock Holmes 2), and his strong box-office track record — not to mention his winking, welcome persona — would almost definitely have been able to lift even a leaden film like this one above the white-capped heads of those devil-worshipping Smurfs.
Thanks so much for telling us we are right when we say Craig isn't a box office draw at all. And you forgot to add something there: while Harrison Ford CREATED Indiana Jones, Daniel Craig thank God did NOT create James Bond, and the only reason why his two movies haven't failed at the box office (other than QoS making the studio book a loss) is that it's JAMES BOND, not that it's him starring.
5. The Promo
Despite all of the above, C&A was green-lit on the back of the attached talent — but only two things are really expected of pricey names: showing up on set at least marginally sober and, as the release date nears, working the talk show circuit like a hungry comedian. But Daniel Craig was reportedly a "pain in the ass" when it came to doing publicity. And the legendarily cranky Harrison Ford told interviewers he was "in it for the money" and that he read 30 pages of the script before throwing it across the room with the same ferocity he once used to throw punches. "That stuff hurts a lot," says one Hollywood publicist. "Especially when it's the most marketable person in both of the genres they were trying to sell it — he's Indiana Jones and Han Solo. Why would people invest in the movie if they don't feel the star is?"
Thanks so much again for telling us we are right, for the second time. We've been saying this ever since his debut on CR... Craig is a total failure at publicity, which is one of the many reasons why he should never have been James Bond. Can't afford to have someone who fails at that as Bond. And that's on top of him being totally unsuitable for the role in the first place. I really think that also shows lack of professionalism. Are you kidding me? Publicity is part of your job. You do it and you must do it well. Needless to say, Henry Cavill is the exact opposite at that. He's polite, smiling and charming even with the most hideous interviewers (I have video proof).
9. A Bad Poster
C&A's first poster featured a glowering, alien-bracelet-wearing Daniel Craig and the tagline, "From the director of Iron Man." "That tells me nothing," says a publicist. "If guys are this movie's target audience, how do you not have a poster with Olivia Wilde looking hot? They overestimated Daniel Craig's star power. If they'd wanted to go that route, the poster should have said, 'James Bond in Cowboys & Aliens.'"
Say what? You're telling us we are correct (and from the start) again? Imagine that. (And this is from no James Bond site so the stupid fanboys can't even complain about it being biased. It's a freaking agent/publicist/producer talking).
10. A Bad Movie
Could be! "Cowboys & Aliens bombed because it was a shitty movie," says the agent. "At the end of the day, that is usually the no. 1 reason summer tentpoles bomb."
LOL truth is harsh. And lots of us said this right after saying the trailer, me included. It looked like a hot mess, and it is a hot mess.
The Fallout: Who Will Cowboys & Aliens Hurt?

Harrison Ford
He'll survive Cowboys & Aliens, and not just because was barely invested in it: "He's long past being someone Hollywood thinks carries movies," says our agent. "His name won't get a movie green-lighted. He'll show up in movies where he's a good creative choice and that's it."

Daniel Craig
"He seems to be following the long line of James Bonds who can't carry a movie outside of the franchise," says the agent. "He does have The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo coming, which should be huge. But it remains to be seen how much credit he gets for that, given that it's based on a massive, worldwide best-seller." But, asks the producer, "can we really be sad for a guy who goes back and forth between being married to Rachel Weisz and playing James Bond?
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So this is a producer talking, and already saying that whatever Girl with Dragon Tattoo does, it won't be Craig's merit mainly. Thanks for that, too.

Love this story, it points out ALL the things people here have been saying since, well, he was appointed as Bond. I don't know what "long line" this man is referring to though. Sean Connery DID struggle at first but then did just fine. Roger Moore sure never had that problem. I guess Lazenby and Dalton did but I think it's because they were never much interested in the rest? Dalton has always been more about theatre than movies. And Pierce had various hit movies that weren't Bond, comedies included, so I can't really see this. I'd say he'll be the first Bond who actually does a lot of other stuff and regularly doesn't deliver in terms of box office (heck even Munich didn't do well).
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Interesting. I don't think any besides Sean Connery went on to be the main attraction.
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Dr. No wrote:Interesting. I don't think any besides Sean Connery went on to be the main attraction.
What do you mean? Roger Moore sure was, and well before Bond, too. And Pierce certainly had his fair share of hits and in very different genres (Laws of Attraction for example.. which I love by the way LOL)
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You know, after reading a lot on the internet, and after the acceptance now and admission why the cowboy caper bombed, I have a feeling Bond 23 may NOT feature DC. Women who would otherwise go see him MIGHT be turned off by his harsh treatment of Satsuki, which is becoming more public now. The green vegetable no longer has her boy toy to play with since the Rachel marriage. Most of all, in this economy, the bean counters at the movie studio MIGHT have an emergency meeting and want to rethink sinking over $100 million into an 'egg Bond film after ALL of his other films have tanked. The natural solution would be to delay Bond 23 into 2013 and hire Hugh or Henry to take over the role. I think even the green vegetable would now agree. DC really sounds like the uncouth, low class, low life, louse we all knew he was. Brosnan was the BEST ambassador of the franchise. He truly loved the role and was proud of it.
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I'd agree with that BJ if we were earlier in the process. But MGM would have to pay WAY too much money to dismiss Craig now. There are contract clauses and they cannot terminate the contract earlier without paying a huge amount of money. So it would cost them more than a box office failure at this point. If they have a Bond movie out (or a non Bond movie since it's Craig and this is shaping out to be a ridiculously bad one like QoS) then they still have marketing interest around them and they look like they are doing SOMETHING as opposed to nothing. I can't say for sure but I think they calculated the risks, and paying Craig off would still cost them more than it does having the movie even if the movie doesn't do well.

Is the Satsuki story making rounds? I haven't checked. If that becomes widespread, I sense lawsuits coming up. Could get really ugly. He'd sue for defamation, she'd sue for a bunch of other reasons... I just hope it doesn't get to this point. If things went like she said, he indeed sucks, but it's still much better to keep this type of thing private rather than go at it publicly. She hasn't denied and he hasn't denied yet, that's the interesting thing about it. I'm guessing there's at the very least some truth to it or they'd have issued a denial already.

About Brosnan, no doubt. He was a fantastic ambassador for the franchise and truly enjoyed playing Bond. Sigh, I miss those days...
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Dr. No wrote:Interesting. I don't think any besides Sean Connery went on to be the main attraction.
What do you mean? Roger Moore sure was, and well before Bond, too. And Pierce certainly had his fair share of hits and in very different genres (Laws of Attraction for example.. which I love by the way LOL)
I mean after Bond Moore and Pierce were well before Bond know for sure I remember well the anticipation of Pierce getting the role. Pierce is on more of a Connery trajectory (so far) than Moore, Dalton and Lazenby could manage. All the movies Craig has got since Bond have bombed maybe it will turn round, it does not look as if he is not going to become a superstar because of Bond.
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Alessandra wrote:And Pierce certainly had his fair share of hits and in very different genres (Laws of Attraction for example.. which I love by the way LOL)
But he and his works don't get the recognition they deserved, especially after Bond. Because he's the best and most popular Bond since Sean, the general audience need to see him beyond his Bond image. Look at Patrick Stewart, for example. Thanks to X-Men, the general public now sees him as more just a starship captain.
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stockslivevan wrote:Someone pointed out that he looks like he's from a Superman porn parody. :lol: I can't argue with that, look at that stare of his, he looks like he's in rape mode.
You look at Cavill as Superman and vision a 'rape' mode?
Well his facial expression suggests it, including the posture. But that's just an amusing observation of mine. :lol: Same thing with a photo of Chris Pine as Kirk where he gives that very creepy stare. I actually like him as Kirk, he really pulled off the role but this was a bad photo.

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Alessandra wrote:I'd agree with that BJ if we were earlier in the process. But MGM would have to pay WAY too much money to dismiss Craig now. There are contract clauses and they cannot terminate the contract earlier without paying a huge amount of money. So it would cost them more than a box office failure at this point. If they have a Bond movie out (or a non Bond movie since it's Craig and this is shaping out to be a ridiculously bad one like QoS) then they still have marketing interest around them and they look like they are doing SOMETHING as opposed to nothing. I can't say for sure but I think they calculated the risks, and paying Craig off would still cost them more than it does having the movie even if the movie doesn't do well.

Is the Satsuki story making rounds? I haven't checked. If that becomes widespread, I sense lawsuits coming up. Could get really ugly. He'd sue for defamation, she'd sue for a bunch of other reasons... I just hope it doesn't get to this point. If things went like she said, he indeed sucks, but it's still much better to keep this type of thing private rather than go at it publicly. She hasn't denied and he hasn't denied yet, that's the interesting thing about it. I'm guessing there's at the very least some truth to it or they'd have issued a denial already.

About Brosnan, no doubt. He was a fantastic ambassador for the franchise and truly enjoyed playing Bond. Sigh, I miss those days...

EON aren't going to(metaphorically) kill their cash cow. If Bond 23 flops, it may be a different story! :D
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Alessandra wrote:And Pierce certainly had his fair share of hits and in very different genres (Laws of Attraction for example.. which I love by the way LOL)
But he and his works don't get the recognition they deserved, especially after Bond. Because he's the best and most popular Bond since Sean, the general audience need to see him beyond his Bond image. Look at Patrick Stewart, for example. Thanks to X-Men, the general public now sees him as more just a starship captain.
It looks bad when they god from opening one of the top 10 movies every 2 years to comedies and other small movies, I do not necessarily believe they are doing bad, Brosnan has a lot of interesting movies since he left Bond a new summer blockbuster might not be in his cards but IMO he was proven his worth as an actor in the roles he has taken on.
CvA was poised to be very big summer hit, that's something Pierce Brosnan and the other Bonds didn't get during their time as Bond . IMO If it was a hit it would of cemented Craig as a leading action man. I do not know how CvA came about like it did (like QOs) so much was spent it is insane. Why did nobody step in and say no! this is not a good idea!. $165 million and another $150 million in marketing it's like Ale and Mazer have always said.
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The Apes are flinging poo at CvA! :shock: $19,750,000
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Omega wrote:It looks bad when they god from opening one of the top 10 movies every 2 years to comedies and other small movies, I do not necessarily believe they are doing bad, Brosnan has a lot of interesting movies since he left Bond a new summer blockbuster might not be in his cards but IMO he was proven his worth as an actor in the roles he has taken on.
Unfortunately, none of his works after Bond got any attention from the Oscars, not even his independent films, and his last movie that got nominated was Dophins (2000), a short documentary.
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Omega wrote:
FormerBondFan wrote:
Alessandra wrote:And Pierce certainly had his fair share of hits and in very different genres (Laws of Attraction for example.. which I love by the way LOL)
But he and his works don't get the recognition they deserved, especially after Bond. Because he's the best and most popular Bond since Sean, the general audience need to see him beyond his Bond image. Look at Patrick Stewart, for example. Thanks to X-Men, the general public now sees him as more just a starship captain.
It looks bad when they god from opening one of the top 10 movies every 2 years to comedies and other small movies, I do not necessarily believe they are doing bad, Brosnan has a lot of interesting movies since he left Bond a new summer blockbuster might not be in his cards but IMO he was proven his worth as an actor in the roles he has taken on.
CvA was poised to be very big summer hit, that's something Pierce Brosnan and the other Bonds didn't get during their time as Bond . IMO If it was a hit it would of cemented Craig as a leading action man. I do not know how CvA came about like it did (like QOs) so much was spent it is insane. Why did nobody step in and say no! this is not a good idea!. $165 million and another $150 million in marketing it's like Ale and Mazer have always said.
I'm just glad that, for this one, not just us, but other sources bothered to underline that for movies like that (big action movies) the expense for advertising to be ADDED to production costs is no less than $150 mln. And, $165 mln is the minimum they are said to have spent because quite a few sources say instead that they spent $200 mln in production for the movie. So this is all calculated on the lower side of expenses. As in the MINIMUM they spent is $315 mln. And the movie did crap at the box office... which means this is going to be massive loss for the studio. No way they make up for it with what they rake in outside the US... that's hardly ever the bigger part of the profit for US movies. Bond is a different matter because it's British. Even if they made the same amount of money abroad as they did in the US they would never recover enough money to make a profit (Reminder the studio only gets a minor part of the box office gross, that goes mainly to distributor and theaters, AND it has to pay taxes on the amount it gets)
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From what i've learnt over the last few years is that as a genral rule of thumb the film studios get back roughly 50% of the total worldwide boxoffice gross, the rest goes to the distributors and cinema chains.
But there is a further complication, as in the US the studios get a much larger percentage of the boxoffice gross during the opening weekend, as this is when the films are most likely to make most of their money.
During the films release schedule the studio's get a lower percentage of the takings, as obviously the overall takings are lower and it would not be economical for the cinema chain to show the film.
I'am not sure if this is true now but in China foreign films used to only get quite a small percentage of the boxoffice takings returned to the studio, i believe it was around the 10% mark, so as not to harm grown films, but China seems to show quite a lot of Hollywood films now, so maybe the precentage has gone up.
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English Agent wrote:From what i've learnt over the last few years is that as a genral rule of thumb the film studios get back roughly 50% of the total worldwide boxoffice gross, the rest goes to the distributors and cinema chains.
But there is a further complication, as in the US the studios get a much larger percentage of the boxoffice gross during the opening weekend, as this is when the films are most likely to make most of their money.
During the films release schedule the studio's get a lower percentage of the takings, as obviously the overall takings are lower and it would not be economical for the cinema chain to show the film.
I'am not sure if this is true now but in China foreign films used to only get quite a small percentage of the boxoffice takings returned to the studio, i believe it was around the 10% mark, so as not to harm grown films, but China seems to show quite a lot of Hollywood films now, so maybe the precentage has gone up.
They don't get nearly as much as 50% these days EA. And most of all, the around 40% they get is GROSS, they pay a LOT of taxes and expenses on it. Just to give you an idea, and this is a case where the percentage is about 45%:
Consider, for example, Touchstone's Gone in 60 Seconds, which had a $242 million box-office gross. From this impressive haul, the theaters kept $129.8 million and remitted the balance to Disney's distribution arm, Buena Vista. After paying mandatory trade dues to the MPAA, Buena Vista was left with $101.6 million. From this amount, it repaid the marketing expenses that had been advanced—$13 million for prints so the film could open in thousands of theatres; $10.2 million for the insurance, local taxes, custom clearances, and other logistical expenses; and $67.4 million for advertising. What remained of the nearly quarter-billion-dollar "gross" was a paltry $11 million. (And that figure does not account for the $103.3 million that Disney had paid to make the movie in the first place.)


That means for movie that had a $242 mln gross the studio booked a LOSS of over $90 mln. In order for the studio to merely break even, the movie needs to make at the very least three times as much production costs. And that's NOT taking into account the advertising costs that are so high for Cowboys & Aliens or a Bond movie that it would take them more than three times the production expenses in gross to break even. Do your math with Cowboys & Aliens or QoS and you'll get the picture. The advertising expenses for those are no less than $150 mln. Then there's all of the above listed. Prints, marketing, insurance, local taxes etc. People don't ever realize that box office gross means NOTHING other than how good the studios are at advertising their movie. It would be like judging a company's balance based on their GROSS SALES. Box office is merely the gross sales for the company producing the movie. Those matter less than zero. What matters is the NET profit.
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The cowboy clunker fell to third and dropped the most percentage-wise Sunday, of the top 5 films.
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