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He is not a bad choice. Too tall maybe ;)

He was on Dr Who, I'll have to watch those episodes again. I stopped watching 'Robin Hood' in the middle of the first series. Althou people seem to like Clive's 'Archer' better than Robin Hood. When I first saw the BBC Robin Hood they had a number of young men who would have been appropriately cast as Bond, I couldn't help but shake my head at Barbara hiring a washed up middle-aged never was actor.

About the sound of silence surrounding Bond, it is remarkable. Mid January we were told all was right with the world of Bond. As a fan who has followed the production ramp up over the years I know that there is so much clamour coming from set and those involved in production. Nothing happening now as it should be building up to go in production is alarming. Not dissimilar to following Dr Who, we know when they are working on it. Maybe not specifics however we know things are a foot. The Silence from Bond while Ale and Mazer are likely correct about the causes, it is disturbing because as they say it looks like Eon has dropped the ball again. I do not want another Daniel catastrophe, I don't want the series to die wither. Eon appears to be dumb enough to pull the plug on themselves. My hope is is something happens to delay things once more a 2013 movie over a 2012 they hire a new actor. They have to anyhow, I was talking to Poirot at Alt 007 and Daniel's schedule was tight to fit in a late fall early 2012 filming, very tight. I suspect any delay disturbing that time-line will see him leave the role as he has to finish the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo Trilogy.
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Also, Clive is born in 1981 (two older than Henry) so that works fine. The 7th Bond needs be someone born in 1980s.
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Blowfeld wrote:He is not a bad choice. Too tall maybe ;)
He's 6'2''.
I do not want another Daniel catastrophe, I don't want the series to die wither.
Bond's already dead......nothing more than this:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMvRrGig4w0 I never heard of him. This guy as Bond? Let's think about it a bit. Hugh Jackman has no equals right now as Bond. Seeing him at the Oscars he exudes Bond essence. He is the most ideal and idyllic actor in 2011 to play the role, setting it up for Cavill in 5 years. By the way, where is the eggster at these awards shows? I bet he was not even invited! By the way, the 2 hosts were DREAD AWFUL! :down:
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Blowfeld wrote:He is not a bad choice. Too tall maybe ;)

He was on Dr Who, I'll have to watch those episodes again. I stopped watching 'Robin Hood' in the middle of the first series. Althou people seem to like Clive's 'Archer' better than Robin Hood. When I first saw the BBC Robin Hood they had a number of young men who would have been appropriately cast as Bond, I couldn't help but shake my head at Barbara hiring a washed up middle-aged never was actor.

About the sound of silence surrounding Bond, it is remarkable. Mid January we were told all was right with the world of Bond. As a fan who has followed the production ramp up over the years I know that there is so much clamour coming from set and those involved in production. Nothing happening now as it should be building up to go in production is alarming. Not dissimilar to following Dr Who, we know when they are working on it. Maybe not specifics however we know things are a foot. The Silence from Bond while Ale and Mazer are likely correct about the causes, it is disturbing because as they say it looks like Eon has dropped the ball again. I do not want another Daniel catastrophe, I don't want the series to die wither. Eon appears to be dumb enough to pull the plug on themselves. My hope is is something happens to delay things once more a 2013 movie over a 2012 they hire a new actor. They have to anyhow, I was talking to Poirot at Alt 007 and Daniel's schedule was tight to fit in a late fall early 2012 filming, very tight. I suspect any delay disturbing that time-line will see him leave the role as he has to finish the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo Trilogy.
I think there is a 50% chance Cr-egg is done and if Jackman is not too busy, get out the checkbook and start writing!
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Makes sense. For awhile I have come here to find out the news, sometimes what the news means then go back to some of the internet movie chat forums out there to see what they make of it. Two weeks later they are beside themselves trying to explain it while people here already know the why behind it. Fanboys believe because they are fanboys, if they question information they are being feed they stop being fanboys.Too scary to leave the comfort of their click.
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Absolutely true. There are reasonable Craig fans and I sure know a few examples, but the fanboys are a different matter and they just can't ever be brought back to reason. They're like Charlie Sheen basically :lol: Now seriously, I don't think they would ever admit anything is going less than spectacularly well, and they're too blind to even make an effort to try and see what's going on right under their noses even when faced with news that don't exactly fit the fantasy scenarios they have built up in their minds (or for those writing what EON wants, of course they will write nothing other than what EON feeds them). Over here, we get the info because of good sources and we all use our critical sense. Which yeah, means that while they're beside themselves trying to explain stuff we already know why stuff happened. Of course, that comes with a price: while the fanboys are all happy about having a random, unattractive, generic action figure as Bond we're here suffering and seeing the franchise we love brought to pieces, AND we're also told we're wrong or just "negative Nellies" for seeing things for what they are. How do you like that? :007:

I swear, the day we finally have a fitting actor as Bond again, I will throw a party. :martini: AND I will make sure to show those fanboys what an actual Bond party for an actually fitting Bond actor is like. Which means nothing like their unclassy, unattractive, protein-shake hero.

Blowfeld wrote:He is not a bad choice. Too tall maybe ;)

He was on Dr Who, I'll have to watch those episodes again. I stopped watching 'Robin Hood' in the middle of the first series. Althou people seem to like Clive's 'Archer' better than Robin Hood. When I first saw the BBC Robin Hood they had a number of young men who would have been appropriately cast as Bond, I couldn't help but shake my head at Barbara hiring a washed up middle-aged never was actor.
Of course, why would Babs even take a second look at people who actually fit the Bond part? I cringe thinking what Cavill must have gone through. He said for the second time in total in that EW interview that it really came close... that means they really made a last-minute decision on Craig, surely because of Babs throwing a fit. Knowing how much of a class-act Cavill is, for him to say something like that it means it really was d**n close. And well, seen as we all know thanks to Cavill what the choice was (and it clearly didn't fit Craig anyway) and we all know how Campbell behaved at the press conference (not to mention we know for a fact Campbell wanted Cavill) things are very clear now.

This dude isn't Cavill but he sure looks like a more than decent prospect (I have meantime watched a couple of Robin Hood episodes), and certainly a FAR better fit to the role than Craig.
About the sound of silence surrounding Bond, it is remarkable. Mid January we were told all was right with the world of Bond. As a fan who has followed the production ramp up over the years I know that there is so much clamour coming from set and those involved in production. Nothing happening now as it should be building up to go in production is alarming. Not dissimilar to following Dr Who, we know when they are working on it. Maybe not specifics however we know things are a foot. The Silence from Bond while Ale and Mazer are likely correct about the causes, it is disturbing because as they say it looks like Eon has dropped the ball again. I do not want another Daniel catastrophe, I don't want the series to die wither. Eon appears to be dumb enough to pull the plug on themselves. My hope is is something happens to delay things once more a 2013 movie over a 2012 they hire a new actor. They have to anyhow, I was talking to Poirot at Alt 007 and Daniel's schedule was tight to fit in a late fall early 2012 filming, very tight. I suspect any delay disturbing that time-line will see him leave the role as he has to finish the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo Trilogy.
I think any further delay could seriously complicate things for Craig to come back. I think your assessment of the situation is accurate. I'm also wondering whether the Babs opposers are actually trying to stall things in order for this to happen at this point, because it's all really really strange. Or rather, not strange from what Mazer and I know, which means since there's fighting ongoing, obviously things are stalling, but strange from any serious business standpoint. No self-respecting production company always makes such messes of situations. I am right there with you Blowfeld, I absolutely DO NOT want the series to wither or to be at risk. So like you I hope either the delay is instrumental to a demise of Craig, or that they pull their act together and get this movie the hell out in 2012 in order to once and for all finish with this horrid Craig era.

Like you say, schedule is very tight, so whatever the case, we will need to have news soon. I remain of the opinion that if we don't have everything mapped out before the summer, then there's no way this happens. That means they must have scouted locations already at the very least by the summer, and more than that... they ABSOLUTELY need a script ASAP. The first version of a script then needs to be changed and amended various times before having a final draft. That means they MUST have a finished first version of the script by May at the very latest. Because, hello? At the very latest between January and March next year they must be FILMING. That means everything has to have been done by then: final draft of the script, ALL casting, location scouting, hiring all crews. EVERYTHING. I honestly don't know how they think they're gonna meet the deadline seen as literally NOTHING is happening, and there's no distribution or production agreement in sight (or they're keeping it a reeeally well-kept secret, which seems incredibly strange, considering MGM NEEDS to have news like this out yesterday, in order to show they're really coming out of that bankruptcy and starting to produce like a healthy company again).

I am working on a complete plan about my ideal Bond setup for Bond 24 (I am working on the assumption that Craig WILL do Bond 23 even though things are taking a strange turn). My biggest problem so far is finding a suitable Moneypenny actress. I don't know all those many British young actresses who would fit with Cavill as Bond. Bond girls are a way easier task since they don't necessarily need to be British, but Moneypenny must be. Or at the very least it must be someone who is very good at doing a British accent. It's really not that simple. Not even amongst all the actresses who were in the Tudors I can find one who satisfies me completely to play Moneypenny. I'll get back to you once I have the perfect one. The only one who partially satisfies me so far is Kelly McDonald. She was on Alias, of COURSE :lol: She's one of the stars of Boardwalk Empire now. I'm unsure she's "pretty" enough, or the right type at all, to be Moneypenny, though.
I never heard of him. This guy as Bond? Let's think about it a bit. Hugh Jackman has no equals right now as Bond. Seeing him at the Oscars he exudes Bond essence. He is the most ideal and idyllic actor in 2011 to play the role, setting it up for Cavill in 5 years. By the way, where is the eggster at these awards shows? I bet he was not even invited! By the way, the 2 hosts were DREAD AWFUL!
Don't remind me of how much Hugh Jackman stole my heart last night, please. I of course remain a loyal Henry Cavill woman, but man... Hugh was so d**n perfect and he really did exude Bond essence last night. LMAO the eggster sure isn't even invited at these award shows (to be fair, neither is his girlfriend).

I thought Anne Hathaway was remarkably better than James Franco, at least she was ALIVE. But yea as a whole, they were just bad. It is MUCH better to leave this type of thing to comedians. Ricky Gervais was FAR more entertaining at the Golden Globes. And when Billy Crystal was on stage, well everyone wished HE had been the presenter.
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Perhaps I should do the casting for Bond 24 then Ale I would certainley have Honeysuckle Weeks as Moneypenny.
Oh DUH how did I miss your post? (by the way I'm always happy when I see you post around here! :mrgreen:) There is one good Moneypenny prospect. She'd need to be seriously more refined to be Moneypenny but I'm sure the costume and makeup people can take care of that. (er, or not, seen what they did with Vesper and Eva Green :shock:). Still on the quest for my perfect one though. We would need someone like a young Kristin Scott Thomas to play Moneypenny. She'd have the right amount of good looks and the right attitude. I can't find someone who fits that bill, though, or not entirely. I'll be back with my complete IDEAL Bond 24 roster once I find the perfect Moneypenny. There's a reason why my director and producer friends say I really have an eye for this :lol:

ETA: Ha, I knew I was close.

Here is a very good Moneypenny prospect: Talulah Riley. Link is to a very recent photo of hers (two weeks ago) at the BAFTAs. I know her from "Pride and Prejudice". http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2089794048/nm1506908

I will look for some more, but so far... she gets the role.

My other idea is Abbie Cornish. She's probably TOO pretty to be Moneypenny, but I think she could have the perfect attitude.

You guys tell me which of the two actresses you think is more suitable.
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Lucky Diamond Rich should be Bond if Babs wants to keep DC beyond Bond 23.
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You need a young,refined, Kate Beckinsale type, for Moneypenny. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000295/ She would go great with Jackman I believe.
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bjmdds wrote:You need a young,refined, Kate Beckinsale type, for Moneypenny.
Just amended the post above. Well Kate Beckhinsale is a tad TOO beautiful to be Moneypenny, isn't she? But, I agree on the style and refined attitude. I just amended my post above to put in Abbie Cornish. And I exactly said she's probably too pretty to be Moneypenny, but... I think she could perfectly convey the attitude. What say you, BJ?

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I'm doing this based on Cavill obviously. So the girls need to be the appropriate age to match Cavill.

If Jackman was Bond then I would make Kate Beckhinsale a Bond GIRL, not Moneypenny. I would keep Samantha Bond as MP if Jackman was Bond.
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Why not make Moneypenny more alluring in the 21st century? THAT improvement would be acceptable vs. "uglifying" Bond with Cr-egg. Beckinsale could be a Bond girl then with Jackman and she is a far better acress than the awful ex of Chuck the Shmuck Sheen, Denise Richards. Samantha Bond, Kate Beckinsale, Hugh Jackman and add on Sir Anthony Hopkins as M? Now you're talking Bond!
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bjmdds wrote:Why not make Moneypenny more alluring in the 21st century? THAT improvement would be acceptable vs. "uglifying" Bond with Cr-egg. Beckinsale could be a Bond girl then with Jackman and she is a far better acress than the awful ex of Chuck the Shmuck Sheen, Denise Richards. Samantha Bond, Kate Beckinsale, Hugh Jackman and add on Sir Anthony Hopkins as M? Now you're talking Bond!
I'm not against making Moneypenny more alluring in the 21st century, BUT she has a role where clearly she can't have the same dashing looks as the Bond girls. She has to be an attractive, refined woman, but Kate Beckinsale as MP would make Bond girls PALE in comparison :lol: Yeah the above sounds PERFECT for a Hugh Jackman line-up. Like those guys said in that hilarious video "Anyone can be a Bond girl now because Denise Richards set the bar sooooo low" :lol: :lol: :lol:

If we are considering much more attractive actresses for MP then I'd take Annabelle Wallis, who played Jane Seymour on The Tudors (so she already knows Cavill having already worked with him). She was great at playing the Queen, and had a very elegant/refined attitude. Definitely attractive. Blonde though. Would it be ok to have a blonde Moneypenny? She's from Oxford and around the same age as Cavill. Doesn't get much better than that! Ok, here goes my official ideal Bond 24 lineup:

Written by: Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman, Damon Lindelof, Jeff Eastin
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Bond: Henry Cavill, obviously
Good Bond girl: Minka Kelly, obviously
Evil Bond girl: Rosario Dawson or Rachel Nichols. Very different in looks, Nichols was in the 5th season of Alias and she was great. She can most definitely do fight scenes, guns, etc.
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Moneypenny: Annabelle Wallis
Felix Leiter: Bradley Cooper. He is older than Cavill but looks younger than his age, so it'll do. And yes I am casting half of Alias on this, since JJ Abrams will ANYWAY do it. And I want points for not saying Michael Vartan. :lol: He is my love. He's got the perfect Leiter looks AND since he was the lead of Alias, clearly he knows how to play a CIA agent who kicks ass. It will show he is older than Cavill, and that's the only reason why I can't pick him. However, he'd be the perfect Leiter if Jackman was Bond.
Main villain: Djimon Honsou. He is one incredibly great villain. Can do kung-fu and is great at combat scenes, so can go right against Bond. Great actor, too.

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I like the suggestion of Kelly Macdonald. I remember that episode of Alias.

Jeremy Northam as M?Yes please! :cheers:
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katied wrote:I like the suggestion of Kelly Macdonald. I remember that episode of Alias.

Jeremy Northam as M?Yes please! :cheers:
She's definitely good. Of course Annabelle is much prettier, but all depends on what type of MP we want. That was a very dark Alias episode, the one she was in.. but Holy Mother of All Hotness only Michael Vartan could've looked that hot as Father Vaughn :lol: :lol: I remember the comments right after the episode... better not to report :lol:

I am now going to download all of Robin Hood to take a closer look at our newest Bond prospect. I had heard the name before but never bothered to check him, and MAN, he could really be a good plan B if our main plan gets derailed. Couple of episodes I watched definitely made me appreciate him, but I need to watch more. I'm glad buffybond provided us with at least one decent alternative, should the Cavill plan not pan out as we hope (hopefully that won't be the case, but it's always better to prepare alternatives).

Ah, Jeremy Northam. I think he would make one bloody great M! He's fabulous at doing the commanding, cocky, sarcastic British type. Probably because that's exactly how he is :lol: And I'd love to see him again with Cavill, they'd do great scenes as Bond and M.
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Kelly can do different accents. She had an Irish one in Alias and a impeccable Texan one on No Country For Old Men-not bad for a Scotswoman!
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Ale take a look at David Haigh for Q.
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Sorry - During login lost the post I was responding to.

About the fans turning on CR after the fact, first off it was not that good of a movie. What it is, is over hyped in a surprisingly successful marketing and media campaign however all campaigns eventually die.

CR's frame works started out life as a proper Bond movie, some good friends of mine in the Bond community think CR was a masterpiece. Then again some of them were touting OHMSS and LTK as Bond masterpieces. Which is they cheer for the exceptions rather than the rule, even if the exceptions are not that good (nor popular with the public in general). It is a myopic filter to view the movies through, when something different comes along the contrast is such a sock to the system the brain misfires.

Some have pointed to the framework convinced that it makes CR a proper Bond movie but it does not, the frameworks what little there is, is an insult to all of us and Ian and Cubby's memory. CR was not Ian Fleming's story, it did not feature his James Bond the man, nor his agent 007, his M was AWOL as well. What it did have was branding which didn't carry through for the second movie.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Bond 23, it may have more in common with 17 when it is finally made.

What we do know is some in EON thought the 4 year break as a good time to position the brand for the next decade. We know Babs didn't see it this way. They like MGW will go along with Babs and probably go as far as being supportive of her in public, what Babs has to do now is deliver. If she can't then the it is all up in the air. The first part of making a new movie is getting the financing to do that MGM has to sell the distribution and take on a partner. MGM found 2 deals they would be happy with, but as of yet no deal is signed. My guess is MGM is trying to scale down and nail down the Bond budget.

What EON should do is take the money and get the movie made/in production then they'd have more leverage with MGM. If a deal fails to coalesce at this point, then IMO they will move forward with the repositioning the brand. It will also leave EON much weaker until the brand preforms again. EON goes nuclear or squabbles so they miss the deadline for Bond 23, then MGM has the high ground. EON can do nothing without MGM, MGM is only prohibited form making new Bond movies without EON. As long as MGM makes smart moves they will continue on a healthy recovery, they can out wait EON. But there is no doubt they want the Bond name and potential earning in the headlines. And they also want a movie every 2 years from this point out, a marathon Craig isn't going to be up for. Also why MGM would be pushing for a Bond 23 Craig - Bond 24 new Bond. Done right they could go in to production on 24 right after 23 is finished.
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This is a good example of how the DVD/Home Video market is changing. Studios have to change with it.

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DreamWorks Animation CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg had mixed news while discussing his company’s fourth-quarter financial results Feb. 24.

“We had mixed results in the home video market. [Our titles] performed very differently, which we think is indicative of the overall strength and weaknesses of the home video market,” he said during a conference call with investors. “Shrek Forever After did not perform at the same level we’ve expected from comparable DreamWorks Animation titles, including previous “Shrek” titles.

“The box office success is no longer indicative of home video success, as it has been historically.”

Shrek Forever After earned $238 million at the domestic box office, with 7.2 million DVD and Blu-ray Disc units sold by the end of the quarter, Dec. 31. Katzenberg said competition from other titles and the fact the title was a sequel contributed to underwhelming home entertainment sales. Overall Shrek Forever After contributed $72.2 million in revenue during the quarter

“On the other hand, even in a tough home entertainment environment, How to Train Your Dragon performed very well in both domestic and international markets,” Katzenberg said. “Dragon and a few other family titles released during the quarter proved there’s still an appetite for high-quality content in home video.”

How to Train Your Dragon had sold more than 7.5 million home video units by the end of the quarter, and contributed $80.3 million in revenue. It pulled in $217 million at the domestic box office. Company COO Ann Daly said the home video results for Dragon were better than that for Monsters vs. Aliens, a surprise for the company.

Overall the news was good for DreamWorks Animation, which reported a fourth-quarter profit of $85.2 million on revenue of $275.7 million, up from $43.6 million and $194.2 million, respectively, during the same quarter in 2009.

The November theatrical release of Megamind contributed $26.6 million during the quarter, mostly thanks to consumer products.

“In 2010, DreamWorks Animation became the first studio to release three feature-length CG animated films in a single year,” Katzenberg said. “How to Train Your Dragon, Shrek Forever After and Megamind together grossed approximately $1.6 billion worldwide — the company’s biggest year ever at the box office."

Monsters vs. Aliens contributed $6 million in revenue during the quarter, with roughly 9 million units sold by the end of the year. Kung Fu Panda contributed $23.4 million in revenue, primarily thanks to international and domestic television fees.

Library titles contributed roughly $67.2 million.

For the year, DreamWorks Animation reported a profit of $170.6 million on revenue of $784.8 million, up from $151 million and $725.2 million, respectively, for 2009. That was despite Megamind underperforming at the box office ($148 million domestic).

“It was a challenging year for us, and I think we learned a lot from it,” Katzenberg said
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Re: The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

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This was posted elsewhere and I thought the reaction to it was great-and it proves that not everyone thinks Craig is the best thing since sliced bread :D
If Fincher is up for Best Director next year for Dragon Tattoo it isn't inconcievable that Craig will be up for Best Actor

It's totally inconcievable. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And there was this reply to that post which sums my feelings up perfectly:
Craig nominated for Best Actor? I like Craig but..I am sorry I am trying very hard not to laugh. Craig, Best Actor? That's like nominated(sic) Pierce Brosnan for anything!
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First off, Fincher WON'T be up for a nomination for Dragon Tatoo. And second, much to the Craig fanboys dismay, Pierce DID get a VERY well-deserved nomination for The Matador. It's reassuring to see that not everyone who likes him thinks he is this phenomenon. :|

Mazer, I think you're right saying that EON should take advantage and produce Bond 23 quickly, but of course they aren't smart enough. Thankfully there are people even there who think the franchise needs retooling and rethinking and NOT in Babs's direction. Seen as so far Bond 23 is going nowhere and that anyway I don't think it will be this incredible success (I'm sure it can do ok, being an incredible success is another thing though), I think things may get interesting quickly, especially if those opposing her start having things their way meantime (as you suggested they could get Bond 24 in production very quickly after Bond 23 is done).

We just need a few more weeks. If there's no news by then, we can start rethinking the whole situation, because if this no distributor and no production partner situation persists, well it will become quite difficult to meet the deadline for release.
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