The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[katied]

Wow. It's amazing how little things have changed over the years. The thing about them not being a democracy still, sadly, applies.

[FormerBondFan]

What to do with QOS DVD's? Take up skeet shooting. "PULL!"

QOS and CR should be removed from the Bond canon.

[FormerBondFan]

As next year is the Bond 50th anniversary year, its more than likely there will be new DVD box sets of the Bond films.

New editions. New editions. I have had enough of all of this. The Ultimate Editions are good enough. Heck, I still trying to get all 3 volume special edition ones.

[shaken not stirred]

What to do with QOS DVD's? Take up skeet shooting. "PULL!"

QOS and CR should be removed from the Bond canon.

Better yet put them in a canon and send them to space..one of these days eon bam...straight to the moon .

Bjmdd d**n for a sec I thought this topic was getting close till I further read that post, they can't close a topic because some people are divided there, that's what message boards are for freedom of speech, what's the point in having an opinion if you're not allow to discuss it, same stupid law applies on imdb and most forums now ie if you don't like it why did you come here, reasons could be that they are a fan but aren't happy with what happened and you're a troll if you express that now, when a troll is someone who keeps caps lock on, makes up pointless posts that mean nothing and tries to flame the other, expressing an opinion isn't being a troll.

It's a sad fact of life that too many people would rather be sheep now then grow a spine and say what they think, if you hate reality tv and state what it's done to music you're told you're sad and sorry you have no life when you're not the one watching it but seen clips on news and everywhere you go and hate what this country (Uk) has become in general, if I don't like something d**n right I'm gonna say why and usually state it in a good consise manner until too many people hate on you and force you to get angry sometimes.

Ale I think if eon can't get bond (because babs would rather keep one of the monkeys from planet of the apes) eon should do bond's got talent and look for a good choice there, instead of being crap reality tv it could finally help this franchise get back on track, again craig's a good actor but I'm tired of seeing his miserable mug on bond, he can display emotion (he was great in defiance and good in layer cake) but as bond he's like ebanezer scrooge (bah bond franchisebug). Craig's bond will be visited by the 6 ghosts of eons past at this rate to try and make him into bond.

If 2 and a half men isn't cancelled and it's on hold then I'm happy but it doesn't sound good, and nothing against Cavill if he gets role as bond next ale but unfortunately that wont be happening for a while since he's involved in new superman film and a few more projects and guy's My age might be too young to play bond atm (not for original script of casino royale which he should've been in) but after they'd have to go into bonds past to have a younger bond, even though cregg-s stupidly been put in the I'll be bond eventually just give me 10 more artsy films...I'll get better, if that fight with babs happened I'd definetly be there, Me and a few male members here would go after pervis and wade and the director who continues to think bond is meant to be art, if bond talks to a bloody skull in bond 24 I'm a going eon hunting (laughs like elmer fudd).

[katied]

They've never wanted to hear opposing opinions over there.Ever. I'm not afraid to express my opinion. I did so here even when there were people (who would get in my face because I was *gasp* saying something they didn't want to hear.


Look, I try to be respectful when pro-Craigs come here and express *their* opinion. But godd!mnit,I'm going to defend myself if I have to.


To be fair, there have been skirmishes, but since the troublemakers have been banished/don't post here anymore,I've felt that I can *truly* say how I feel.

[Alessandra]

I don't even bother to read the EON shill sites, they don't represent the views of Bond fans AT ALL, they just represent the views of people EON picks to market whatever it is they want marketed in that moment. It's ridiculous and it's also REALLY pathetic. No self-respecting production company does that, let alone a self-respecting studio. And I can talk about this extensively, since I have had experience with focus groups that networks set up in order to test new pilots etc. I am still to the day a member of the ABC studios panel. Last season I completely axed a pilot they had (that in fact never made it to screen) about a guy who had a double personality, policeman during the day and assassin at night (this is a really quick sum up of it), that was basically a ripoff of the Christian Slater series (that was also cancelled). That pilot had so many problems I can't even begin to explain. And, they showed us two versions of it and asked very specific questions and a very detailed opinion on it. They obviously LISTENED, since that never aired. There are a LOT of people who criticize ABC studios shows a lot (ABC studios shows also include stuff that doesn't air on the ABC network, like Criminal Minds for example), and they hold very specific polls and even live chats with moderators to ask about very specific topics. I did many of those and I know for a fact they DO listen to people in terms of liking this or the other character or this or the other actor etc, and of course the general "feel" of a show. They of course do NOT let the fans dictate storylines, that would be ridiculous. But they have lots of people on there who even criticize in an absolutely unfair way. That's because they know it would be POINTLESS to have that just in order to have people praise whatever they do. That's what a self-respecting studio does.

EON clearly isn't a self-respecting production company... and how could it, with someone who understands NOTHING about the franchise they have in their hands being the top executive in the first place? (Yes that would be you, Barbara Broccoli. Wilson, you do understand a few things but you don't even know what having a backbone means since you don't have the balls to tell Barbara to STOP behaving like a capricious queen with a crush on an actor and start behaving like an actual business woman). EON never had an actual focus group (though if they were smart, MGM and the distributors WOULD set up one, MGM especially) because if they did, clearly they'd know that most people do NOT like the current direction and HATED QoS. Especially the general movie goers. I haven't actually done research on whether MGM set up something like that for QoS at least... they better start thinking about doing it for Bond 23, given what's at stake.

I have to say though that I was extremely surprised when - just out of "let's see how quick they trash it" spirit - I posted on CBn about Henry Cavill being the only one who is perfect to be Bond at this point. Contrary to my expectations, a lot of people agreed, and there were quite a few defending him against a couple of fanboys who said he didn't have a career (muahahahah given he has TWO movies where he is the lead coming out this season, and after that there was the Superman announcement) and stupid stuff like that. It actually boosted that thread, who would have thought. Guess the Barbara opposition was at work

Of course then the fanboys pretended nothing happened after the Superman thing and just went on to say he wouldn't be Bond at this point and that " he was too obvious a choice anyway". Sure, if by obvious you mean "SOMEONE WHO IS AN ACTUALLY GOOD ACTOR AND ACTUALLY LOOKS AND BEHAVES LIKE BOND SHOULD". Then by all means Cavill is super obvious.

Shaken of course Cavill will be right age by the time he takes over (and in any case, he can look in his 30s no problem, heck they made him look in his 40s even on the Tudors... that is not a problem at all), and of course it's not gonna happen tomorrow... BUT it may happen sooner than some seem to think if the Babs detractors have their way. That said, I agree if not him that they need someone with those exact characteristics (good luck finding another one that fits even remotely so well... I'm sorry but I really think the only ones at this point are him and Jackman if they just want to do a movie quick and then move on. I'd take Gerard Butler, too, that last L'Oreal ad he did is TOTALLY Bond). In terms of age and in terms of good investment for the franchise, nobody fits like Cavill does. I will be more than glad to propose an alternative the moment I see it... and trust me I am on the look out for it, but so far... only Cavill is perfect IMO.

Re: Two and A Half Men. It will FOR SURE be back, with or without Sheen. It's the comedy that makes them earn by far the most (they make heaps of money on syndication) and it's always got great numbers in terms of ratings. I do think Stamos is a great idea actually. Again, I had never thought about him, but I think he'd be a great fit. Stamos himself tweeted yesterday that contrary to rumors he wasn't replacing Sheen on Two and a Half Men, and added "however, Martin Sheen has asked me to be his son"

AAAANNND instead in OTHER news that interest us a lot more...

The "absolutely inadequate to be Bond" Fassbender is in the shortlist to replace Matt Damon in the BOURNE MOVIES. EXCELLENT! See, that's exactly my point with him. HE IS NOT BOND AT ALL. He's yet another FREAKING JASON BOURNE FIGURE, just like Craig (except Craig doesn't even have the looks to be Bourne). A random action man who kicks ass, and who has got NOTHING to do with the Bond style and charm. I'm THRILLED he is shortlisted to play Bourne, that is exactly what he should do. And thankfully it'll get us rid of him as Bond. In the shortlist is also my darling, Taylor Kitsch. I love him but sorry, I hope they cast Fassbender so we get rid of those who keep mentioning him. And, if Bourne cast Taylor Kitsch, I'm telling you even THEY would have someone who looks more like Bond than Craig does Taylor Kitsch is VERY attractive, light brown hair, blue eyes, all-American look. He doesn't have the ideal Bond looks in that he looks too young and American BUT he surely looks more like Bond than Craig does

It's a sad fact of life that too many people would rather be sheep now then grow a spine and say what they think, if you hate reality tv and state what it's done to music you're told you're sad and sorry you have no life when you're not the one watching it but seen clips on news and everywhere you go and hate what this country (Uk) has become in general, if I don't like something d**n right I'm gonna say why and usually state it in a good consise manner until too many people hate on you and force you to get angry sometimes.

That is just SAD and an extremely worrying direction today's society is taking if that's the case. I think that those who will tell you you're sad etc though are probably youngsters without a decent culture... thankfully there still are people around who do care about quality and talent. But that said, it's just incredible how widespread the TRASH that is reality TV is amongst people in general. If you need help with the haters, let me know, I'll gladly help: deadly stilettos for the win!!

We'll see how Babs fares against those

[Alessandra]

I didn't realize I posted the Divina Commedia above.. sorry about that

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

I posted my Casino Royale review on MI6. If I had to sum up the general response in a picture it would be this:

[bjmdds]

They abhor Cr-egg dissent at MI6 and CB.net Captain. MI6 CLAIMS to have over 10,000 members by the way. If so, why are only 20 on line at a time then? I find that quite peculiar and revealing, that with such a wealth of pro-eggster fanatics, there should be HUNDREDS of members on line, not tens, at a time . More EON mischief I would bet, falsifying the numbers . For those here who witnessed MI6 first hand, the feelings are probably the same in regards to their treatment of dissenters. NO democracy there, as I was told, NONE!

[katied]

They abhor Cr-egg dissent at MI6 and CB.net Captain. MI6 CLAIMS to have over 10,000 members by the way. If so, why are only 20 on line at a time then? I find that quite peculiar and revealing, that with such a wealth of pro-eggster fanatics, there should be HUNDREDS of members on line, not tens, at a time . More EON mischief I would bet, falsifying the numbers . For those here who witnessed MI6 first hand, the feelings are probably the same in regards to their treatment of dissenters. NO democracy there, as I was told, NONE!

Of course they falsify things. The Place That Can't Be Named bases "being the best Bond message board" on how many posters they have posting there.Sorry to be crude, but they think their sh!t doesn't stink.


Also, they have a LOT of people there that signed up ages ago but never post. Are they counted?

[bjmdds]

I believe the total is false. Eon wants it to look good so they have their 'agents' keep signing up as new members. NO way they have that many members....NO way!

[shaken not stirred]

Why does that pic remind Me of the cheesy romance in casino royale with bond and vesper..except the cats acted better in that scene.

Captain, I'll read your casino royale review later on m16 .

Ale I've got a lot of haters, from videogames I used to enjoy before they turned into shooters and mainstream, to music going down the crapper, comedy pretty much non existant in the uk (not that I'd complain if a hater got a beating with stilletos, after that you could say they're shoefaced, hides)

Off topic any red dwarf fans here?, I saw Craig Charles, Robert Llewllyn and Angela Bruce a few years ago in Norwich (first time), wish that event was recorded at the time and I could've been on youtube because I did good impressions of lister and krtyon and made them laugh, (took a lot to see them due to Aspergers) if I could act and they needed a double for kyrton if they bumped into an earlier model I could do the part but that probably won't happen, I'm a massive red dwarf fan and it was a priviledge to meet some of them, hopefully I'll see the rest of the cast someday or get tickets for filming of the latest series in november (fingers crossed).

[shaken not stirred]

I typed in suave monkey and found this a site has estimated what daniel craig will have aged by when bond 23 comes out , where new bond really works craig takes inspector gadget role while I agree with the craig pic, Brosnan one wasn't right but face was funny. Brosnans real reaction to craig [imghttp://www.swensonfunnies.com/screenshots/jame ... lousy2.jpg][/img] and the final one

Sorry for the massive amount of pics.

[English Agent]

Off topic any red dwarf fans here?, I saw Craig Charles, Robert Llewllyn and Angela Bruce a few years ago in Norwich (first time), wish that event was recorded at the time and I could've been on youtube because I did good impressions of lister and krtyon and made them laugh, (took a lot to see them due to Aspergers) if I could act and they needed a double for kyrton if they bumped into an earlier model I could do the part but that probably won't happen, I'm a massive red dwarf fan and it was a priviledge to meet some of them, hopefully I'll see the rest of the cast someday or get tickets for filming of the latest series in november (fingers crossed).

Yep....in its day 'Red Dwarf' (late 80's?) was brilliant.
I liked the charactor of 'Rimmer' he was so anal.

Or as 'Kryten' uesd to say 'You are a Smeeeg head'

EA

[katied]

I typed in suave monkey and found this a site has estimated what daniel craig will have aged by when bond 23 comes out , where new bond really works craig takes inspector gadget role while I agree with the craig pic, Brosnan one wasn't right but face was funny. Brosnans real reaction to craig [imghttp://www.swensonfunnies.com/screenshots/jame ... lousy2.jpg][/img] and the final one

Sorry for the massive amount of pics.

OMG that first one is so unflattering it's not even funny!

[shaken not stirred]

Yep....in its day 'Red Dwarf' (late 80's?) was brilliant.
I liked the charactor of 'Rimmer' he was so anal.

Or as 'Kryten' uesd to say 'You are a Smeeeg head'

EA

Series used to be class, series 7 and 8 ruined it with kitchansky, getting rid of rimmer, bringing back the crew of red drawf ultimately destroying the whole point of red drawf, back to earth went back to basics but felt a bit cold without a studio audience, hopefully Naylor will find someone else to help him write jokes since he can't do it on his own, Craig charles said he wants next series to be just as good as series 5 and 6 otherwise they won't bother and they should be getting a studio audience back, let's hope it works out and they forget about the stupid crew on red drawf who escaped and hopefully died or better yet make the universe rimmer escaped into a dream, rimmer wakes up onboard the starbug after season 6 with everyone else or after season 8, the crew who escaped red dward died because the nano machines couldn't keep human cells alive far enough if they all went to far away from each other, therefore destroying the hive, but lister keeps his arm because he never died and since his tissue was never radiated and he wasn't killed lister is unaffected and the 4 carry on their travels as usual to find an abandoned red drawf and back to basics.

I've got a bit of material for the show if Naylor needed it, made a 2 min clip last year for red drawf competition, thought you had to use your own material but kept that one on My youtube channel, made the script in 30 mins and made a few people at home laugh.

Yeah krtyon was class upto season 6 and back to himself in back to earth, season 7 and 8 turned him into a jealous android who moaned a lot at listers happiness. Guns of the apocalypse still ranks up there as one of the best imo.

[Alessandra]

They abhor Cr-egg dissent at MI6 and CB.net Captain. MI6 CLAIMS to have over 10,000 members by the way. If so, why are only 20 on line at a time then? I find that quite peculiar and revealing, that with such a wealth of pro-eggster fanatics, there should be HUNDREDS of members on line, not tens, at a time . More EON mischief I would bet, falsifying the numbers . For those here who witnessed MI6 first hand, the feelings are probably the same in regards to their treatment of dissenters. NO democracy there, as I was told, NONE!

Neither of those sites have EVER tolerated criticism of Craig, MI6 I know by what you guys say, and by having read back in the day (never bothered to register or post, I thought it was awful the moment I read). CBn I know by first-hand experience... while CBn is a way better site than MI6, and more professional, it's still a joke when it comes to Craig and it is widespread knowledge at this point that some people who run it work for EON. So it really is quite laughable. As I said, I am very surprised my remarks on Cavill not only weren't countered with mockery but also were defended by quite a few people. Guess the BABS detractors can go a long way

BJ, the numbers work this way: people can open MULTIPLE accounts on the same site and those will all count as registered people, but then of course only one account is used, if at all. So the numbers look super high but the actual number of people posting is really low. What matters is the everyday traffic and how many people READ and post everyday. IN short, how many different IPs hit the site to read and how many DIFFERENT people post. Looking at that, I'm sure MI6 will not come out good at all. I think CBn probably has a higher number of hits and posts per day, I'm unsure if the number of people posting in average is higher than MI6. MI6 have all the teens who've got nothing to do so the age may influence the number of daily posters. There are a lot of elements to consider, but to cut it short: having lots of registered people means PRECIOUS NOTHING if your site traffic doesn't match.

That said, I don't think it's worth even trying with MI6... I didn't think it was back in the day and from what I read, it's even worse now.

Captain, I wouldn't mind... the photo is hilarious though. Of course on such sites you'd get that type of response... it's really funny how these people can't even for a moment consider that Craig is NOT the next best thing after canned soup. I think Shaken not Stirred gave a very fair account on the Craigster in his previous post. He may have been very good in other movies he did, and nobody says he is a lousy actor (though I will say he is definitely NOT a sensational actor either), and nobody's got anything against him as a person at all. He's just someone who should never have been let even remotely close to the Bond franchise... unless he had to play a villain. He's so wrong for Bond on ALL levels involved, it's not even possible to make a full list, it's too freaking long. But these blind fanboys are not there to be reasonable or to actually care about the Bond franchise... they're there just and only to promote Craig, no matter how. Pretty sad

LOL that series of manips/photos is highly disturbing. I laughed out loud watching the "aged" and the "BOTOXED" version one after the other. It's so evident Craig has had botox before shooting CR, during and after... if you look at before and after photos it's I find that pretty d**n sad, too. It's sad enough when women do it, but MEN doing it are just pathetic.

ETA: about the botox, I don't find the MODERATE use of it sad in itself (I still think only women should do it, the pressure on men isn't NEARLY the same to look young), I find the constant use and the definite overuse of it not just sad but also dangerous. I'm ok if people use in MODERATION just and ONLY to even wrinkles (and by the way I think laser or collagen are a WAY better alternative since they are NOT toxins and they do NOT paralyze your muscles, which is what botox does), but what Craig had was extensive use of it. At Nicole Kidman levels (which I do find sad, she was much more beautiful when she did NOT have all that plastic surgery and she did not use all that botox.. and she admitted to having made extensive use of botox, and having stopped now). I'm not ok with that. Merely personal opinion of course. Again, it's ok to look a bit younger by MODERATELY using fillers (I'm against botox anyway, and I only accept moderate use of those things to fill wrinkles, NOT to change lips or inflate cheeks).

[katied]

They abhor Cr-egg dissent at MI6 and CB.net Captain. MI6 CLAIMS to have over 10,000 members by the way. If so, why are only 20 on line at a time then? I find that quite peculiar and revealing, that with such a wealth of pro-eggster fanatics, there should be HUNDREDS of members on line, not tens, at a time . More EON mischief I would bet, falsifying the numbers . For those here who witnessed MI6 first hand, the feelings are probably the same in regards to their treatment of dissenters. NO democracy there, as I was told, NONE!

Never has been, never will be.And that is always dragged out when someone deviates from the script.

Neither of those sites have EVER tolerated criticism of Craig, MI6 I know by what you guys say, and by having read back in the day (never bothered to register or post, I thought it was awful the moment I read). CBn I know by first-hand experience... while CBn is a way better site than MI6, and more professional, it's still a joke when it comes to Craig and it is widespread knowledge at this point that some people who run it work for EON. So it really is quite laughable. As I said, I am very surprised my remarks on Cavill not only weren't countered with mockery but also were defended by quite a few people. Guess the BABS detractors can go a long way

CBN is a little bit better than The Place That Can't Be Named. A little, I said. I have an account there(don't post very often though) and it seemed like I got a warm welcome.Unlike at The Place That Can't Be Named, where you're immediately suspected of being a troll.

BJ, the numbers work this way: people can open MULTIPLE accounts on the same site and those will all count as registered people, but then of course only one account is used, if at all. So the numbers look super high but the actual number of people posting is really low. What matters is the everyday traffic and how many people READ and post everyday. IN short, how many different IPs hit the site to read and how many DIFFERENT people post. Looking at that, I'm sure MI6 will not come out good at all. I think CBn probably has a higher number of hits and posts per day, I'm unsure if the number of people posting in average is higher than MI6. MI6 have all the teens who've got nothing to do so the age may influence the number of daily posters. There are a lot of elements to consider, but to cut it short: having lots of registered people means PRECIOUS NOTHING if your site traffic doesn't match.

Even though they say they will reban anyone who tries to register with a new name, it can be done.

That said, I don't think it's worth even trying with MI6... I didn't think it was back in the day and from what I read, it's even worse now

I would steer the new Bond fan away from The Place That Can't Be Named. They don't like new people...to the fandom, *or* to the boards.

Captain, I wouldn't mind... the photo is hilarious though. Of course on such sites you'd get that type of response... it's really funny how these people can't even for a moment consider that Craig is NOT the next best thing after canned soup. I think Shaken not Stirred gave a very fair account on the Craigster in his previous post. He may have been very good in other movies he did, and nobody says he is a lousy actor (though I will say he is definitely NOT a sensational actor either), and nobody's got anything against him as a person at all. He's just someone who should never have been let even remotely close to the Bond franchise... unless he had to play a villain. He's so wrong for Bond on ALL levels involved, it's not even possible to make a full list, it's too freaking long. But these blind fanboys are not there to be reasonable or to actually care about the Bond franchise... they're there just and only to promote Craig, no matter how. Pretty sad

And apparently some of them are paid to do so. I *really* don't have a problem with that except for a) They're cagey about it. I suggested as such and got ripped a new one and b) They're paid to big up Craig and shout down anyone who criticizes him.

LOL that series of manips/photos is highly disturbing. I laughed out loud watching the "aged" and the "BOTOXED" version one after the other. It's so evident Craig has had botox before shooting CR, during and after... if you look at before and after photos it's I find that pretty d**n sad, too. It's sad enough when women do it, but MEN doing it are just pathetic.

Even when I was a pro- Craig I thought some of the photo manips were funny. The reaction to them elsewhere proves they have NO sense of humor.

[Alessandra]

I meant to answer all of the above but the last one has me

WHAT? You were a pro-Craiger!? I'm really glad you saw the light! What made you change your mind?

Just for the record, I hereby declare that I have NEVER, not even for a minute shown any proclivity towards the Cr-egg. EVER! I disliked him with a passion from second one. James is my witness since we used to have some epic discussions with the pro-Craigers back in the day when he was cast

[katied]

Oh yes. I was a pro Craiger. BJ and I didn't like each other much when I first started posting here. I can't tell you what changed my mind. I just gradually saw the light, as you say. I did flip flop about liking Craig, which got me some amount of grief. It's made me very unpopular elsewhere


I liked CR( saw it a dozen times in the movie theater and praised it to the high heavens to anyone who would listen(oh the folly of fandom!). I've seen it on TV recently and just watching a glimpse of it is enough to confirm that it has not aged well at all.