The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[English Agent]

IMDb has the UK and USA release date as 9th November 2012. In the USA, that's a week after Monsters Inc. 2 and a week before the final (I think) Twilight movie.

Supie and Middle Earth creatures will be roaming the theaters a month later.

It has less competition in the UK, which is traditionally Bond's strongest market - and home advantage seems to be even more pronounced in CraigBond's case. If you find someone defending QOS on an Internet messageboard, chances are, it'll be a Brit. Not sure if my compatriots' seeming collective insanity will be enough to save Bond 23 though.

In ref to Bond in the UK.

Thats true to a certain extent CR did extremely well in the UK, and obviously expectations were high for QOS as seen by the opening weekend record, but unlike CR after the 3rd to 4th week takings for QOS dropped off significantly in comparison to CR......probably due to the bad word of mouth.

Just to point out that when PB came along in the rejuventaed series in 1995, the takings for each of his subsequent Bond films went up by quite a large margin in the UK.

EA

[Mazer Rackham]

Quarks tumble is a worrisome, it is the beginning of a trend. It could be a fluke but that it not as likely. 10m or more decided not to go the movie and a far greater number decided not to bother buying it on home video. The Bond fan base is not enough to shift the product, which is a failing of EON. Who has never really done enough to cultivate it.

When Brozza took over he more than doubled the ticket sales of the previous entry, the entire last decade really. And managed to maintain the growth against staunch competition.

Quark could be said is such a poor movie that word of mouth killed it at the BO, I think it is the approach to Bond that people were disinterested in. They knew what they were going to get, and that there would be non of the previous get-them-in-the-seats gimmick like technology, gadgets, and girls. There was a contingent of views who went just to see what they would come up with.

[Kristatos]

Let the Brits enjoy DC if they want. After all, he is British and so is Bond.

That begs the question: are EON content to make films purely for the domestic market or do they want films with international appeal? And if they are are making films purely for the British market, then why should investors give them a blockbuster budget? They should be made on the same sort of budgets as other purely British films like Layer Cake and Lock, Stock.... if that's all EON wants for Bond.

[English Agent]

For reference there is a European film source which gives a list of film admissions, for films since 1996.

The figures for the last 3 Bond films released in the UK market, are as follows:-

DAD:- 7,858,277

CR:- 10,423,140

QOS:- 9,883,562

not sure how accurate they are, as i have seen a higher figure for DAD elsewhere.

EA

[English Agent]

Let the Brits enjoy DC if they want. After all, he is British and so is Bond.

That begs the question: are EON content to make films purely for the domestic market or do they want films with international appeal? And if they are are making films purely for the British market, then why should investors give them a blockbuster budget? They should be made on the same sort of budgets as other purely British films like Layer Cake and Lock, Stock.... if that's all EON wants for Bond.

No.....i think EON are desperate in particular to make the North American market strong for Bond again.
The international markets for Bond are very strong in general.........but EON, will never have an overall blockbuster until they crack the American market.
I mean $160+ mil is just about OK, but i think they need to get at least of $250+ mil per movie, to feel they've had a genuine hit there.
They had a chance with QOS, when it grossed $67.5 mil in its opening weekend, but the word of mouth after the initial weekend killed that target off.......and unfortunately, even if Bond 23 is a very good film, I can't see the film opening as big as it did for QOS in America.

The average North American admission figures for the last few Bonds has been around 25 mil.........not that brilliant, and there doesn't seem to be any shift in the pattern. Are u Americans tired of Bond?

EA

[bjmdds]

We are fed up with Cr-egg, and that's a fact. Jackman would have put more people in the seats here, no doubt about it.

[katied]

It's glaringly obvious that EON gave up a while ago. Just look at how slow they are to deny rumors, as an example.

[English Agent]

I get the impression that most Americans have not really taken to DC, and i'am not sure if they ever will.

Be interesting to see what happens to his future films, in North America.

EA

[katied]

The fan boards will have you believe that Craig is universally loved;they *would* think that, though.

[bjmdds]

Eon run fan boards will. The rest won't. We cannot be bought off.

[katied]

Eon run fan boards will. The rest won't. We cannot be bought off.

Exactly. There is definitely a large amount of EON involvement with the two most popular Bond boards(as much as it's denied. )

[Mazer Rackham]

Let the Brits enjoy DC if they want. After all, he is British and so is Bond.

That begs the question: are EON content to make films purely for the domestic market or do they want films with international appeal? And if they are are making films purely for the British market, then why should investors give them a blockbuster budget? They should be made on the same sort of budgets as other purely British films like Layer Cake and Lock, Stock.... if that's all EON wants for Bond.

No.....i think EON are desperate in particular to make the North American market strong for Bond again.
The international markets for Bond are very strong in general.........but EON, will never have an overall blockbuster until they crack the American market.
I mean $160+ mil is just about OK, but i think they need to get at least of $250+ mil per movie, to feel they've had a genuine hit there.
They had a chance with QOS, when it grossed $67.5 mil in its opening weekend, but the word of mouth after the initial weekend killed that target off.......and unfortunately, even if Bond 23 is a very good film, I can't see the film opening as big as it did for QOS in America.

The average North American admission figures for the last few Bonds has been around 25 mil.........not that brilliant, and there doesn't seem to be any shift in the pattern. Are u Americans tired of Bond?

EA

The numbers are hard to nail down for some countries. Off the top of my hear GB, FR, DE, ES are the biggest Bond EU markets. But around the world a lot of places are like the US.
But of the drop in 10m from CR to QOS, the American market was only 2m of that, 8m from around the globe.


One set of data I have for the EU numbers is like this;

Code: Select all

DAD EUR 27 	  	 	25 154 042
CR EUR 27 	  	  	27 780 294
QOS EUR 27 	  	  	26 020 783

I don't know how they break it down, some markets I know they are wrong on. And others I am not sure what they are basing this on.

[Alessandra]

I still think Cr-egg is in trouble. There IS another option. No film in 2012. Eon gets an extension after the new owners demand Cr-egg be replaced with Cavill in January 2012, after Superman is completed, and puts out the film in 2013, which will be 5 years after the last film, with a fresher face in the role.

Ah, the perfect world. Or actually the NORMAL world where anyone making money knows how to, and anyone making movies knows what they are supposed to do with a franchise like the Bond one, starting from taking Cavill right away. Things may still happen in a better way, but I think Bond 23 is a ship that has sailed. Unless, as we mentioned previously, they keep on stalling on fundamental things. I do think though that MGM is so d**n desperate to have the movie out that in the end they'll probably release no matter what they have. Which is indeed a scary thought.

[bjmdds]

I just watched The Wolfman on HBO. Again, what garbage Hollywood is producing. Larry Talbot's father another werewolf who kills both his mother and brother? Gore too? These moronic directors think by changing the excellent classic with Lon Chaney will deem them original? Forget it!

[shaken not stirred]

If you find someone defending QOS on an Internet messageboard, chances are, it'll be a Brit. Not sure if my compatriots' seeming collective insanity will be enough to save Bond 23 though.

Hey I'm a brit and I wouldn't defend crappuchino royale or quantum of porridge if it was the last thing I ever do, true bond ended with Brosnan, cregg belongs in eastenders or the league of extraordinary miserable gits.

Ale: unfortunately I don't have a lot of m8s so didn't do anything on that day and because I've got mild aspergers it's pretty hard sometimes unfortunately (shrugs) , just who I am.

Bond 2: will bond be able to pay his tv license in time before the end of the day or will the dreaded tv licensing guy known only as bob close the shop at 5pm....all this and more in the next exciting episode of james bond zzzzzzz...bond is back in the comedy sequel of the year, gasp as bond gets into a near death situation with a cat, cry as bond reminsces about his beloved ipod that was viciously taken away from him and betrayed him, laugh as bond can't get through his door so he runs through the wall...oh bond you funny motherbeeper you..get the dvd and also recieve rapping with bond and bond be dat badass dat he es becaze he seeze it like dees,
Shaq: Dang, bond be slamming those hoops you
Bond: Word up bitches.

[bjmdds]

Shaken, don't get so stirred up over Bond at the moment. Hopefully Eon will be forced to pull a Brosnan on Cr-egg and call him and tell him he's out!

[shaken not stirred]

Shaken, don't get so stirred up over Bond at the moment. Hopefully Eon will be forced to pull a Brosnan on Cr-egg and call him and tell him he's out!

Sorry man I guess I'm a bit jaded because too many things I used to enjoy have all gone the same way for sake of change instead of what they should do and it's made Me angry about a lot of things I used to enjoy, good uk comedy died after the 90s, reality tv took over and ruined everything, not that keen on most music now after 90s because of crap factor exc oldies that are still around like foo fighters, chillis, prodigy, metallica.

But yeah if Brosnan came back and did a one off like Connery did for never say never it would hopefully be a hit since Brosnan brought in big figures and still wears the bond badge with pride if people mention it unlike cregg who thinks it's below him and wants to make him as artsy angsty as possible.

[English Agent]

Shaken, don't get so stirred up over Bond at the moment. Hopefully Eon will be forced to pull a Brosnan on Cr-egg and call him and tell him he's out!

Sorry man I guess I'm a bit jaded because too many things I used to enjoy have all gone the same way for sake of change instead of what they should do and it's made Me angry about a lot of things I used to enjoy, good uk comedy died after the 90s, reality tv took over and ruined everything, not that keen on most music now after 90s because of crap factor exc oldies that are still around like foo fighters, chillis, prodigy, metallica.

But yeah if Brosnan came back and did a one off like Connery did for never say never it would hopefully be a hit since Brosnan brought in big figures and still wears the bond badge with pride if people mention it unlike cregg who thinks it's below him and wants to make him as artsy angsty as possible.

I agree 'shaken...' UK TV is awful nowadays, there used to be so many great shows i.e. comedies, dramas, thrillers........but all we get now is crap reality shows and game shows, its like watching Italian TV (oops..sorry 'Ale' ).
The only show i do watch is 'Top Gear'.

Regards PB, i dont think he will ever be given another Bond chance. If he were it would be an unofficial Bond as you have said, but i think there would be too much red tape legally for this too ever happen.

Incidently, a little earlier i was watching TND, in particular the action scenes, and thought how well they were done.
Now if only,that Swiss director had applied the same touches to QOS.

EA

[bjmdds]

I meant Cr-egg would hopefully be fired via a telephone call out of the blue, ala Pierce was, so then Cavill could take over right after Superman is filmed. I would love to see Brosnan in a non-Eon NSNA role right now. He could still do a creditable job but with roles where he plays a centaur on HBO lately,I doubt it would be done.

[katied]

A rejected title for QOS? Swiss Cheese

(thank you,I'll be here all week!)