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'Ali'

By the length of your post......i kinda think you like the guy!

Oops.........no i didn't know he was in the running for CR with DC (somehow missed that....or forgotten! :shock: )

Depending how long DC stays in the Bond franchise..........and it could be a while, depending on the success of the films or not, the gap between making the films and him wanting to carry on in the role, will to a certain extent determine who will be the likely candidate for the role.

I think 'Jackman' is out of the running, the timeline is not right for him, due to his age now, and to a lesser extent that he is probably too well associated with the 'X-men' franchise.

'Cavill' has obviously got a chance, but he may get involved in other film projects in the future which could steer his career in another path, which could see him unavailable for the Bond role.

BUT.......one thing to consider is 'WHY' did EON not pick him in the first place, over Craig!

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Looking at those clips, I can now see Cavill's potential as a Bond. He'd be cool in the role.

But something tells me we may have a long wait until Craig quits the role. If I was in his shoes, I'd stick on to the role for as long as I could. Acting is such a fickle job, and once Craig leaves, who knows where his career will go, so he'd be wise to keep doing Bond as long as Babs wants him to, so his guaranteed paychecks keep coming in. Once he leaves, those big fat pay checks could soon dry up.

I think BO figures on 23 will more than likely decide whether he hangs on to Bond one more time. If 23 tanks, then I could see him quitting the role (unofficially, by mutual consent).

If that happened, this forum would be the place to party, I reckon..... :lol: :martini: :martini: :cig: :martini: :cheers:
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I suppose with any actor in the role there is always a risk. But if Bond 23 flops, then the entire franchise is at risk.
Why take that chance?
I think Craig is like a second coming of Timothy Dalton. Good actor, well received by many fans, (I think Dalton was a great Bond) but somehow not entirely great. Dalton suffered by not being accepted by the north American audience. But was loved by those in the rest of the world.
Craig I'm not sure. He's got alot of fans, but is he accepted in the US market?
It's all very well for Ms.Broccoli to have her boy toy around. But is it right for the future of the series?
I wonder. Though if Henry Cavill is brought in to replace Craig for Bond 23 or 24 will he be accepted?
It really is a tough call. What is needed is another actor who has the appeal of Pierce Brosnan, who in my opinion was a wonderful Bond. Had he been given better scripts he could have taken Connery on for sheer appeal to all audiences. At least his films were entertaining. Casino Royale was okay, but it was certainly a film of two parts. And far too long.
Quantum Of Boredom was the shortest Bond film in length, but it felt much longer.
A dizzy art-house display of thuggery and blandness. I have expected Mr Monopoly Image to pop up and offer the Bolivian electric company to go with the water supply.
This is not a Bond villains plot. At least not a Bond villain that I want to see.
Where are the world domination villains. The atomic missile holding villains holding the world to ransom?
Bond has come along way in his fifty years (nearly), but in the last few years, he's taken a massive stride backwards.
I just hope the situation can be rectified.
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It's the liberal directors :down: that Eon is hiring to direct the liberal screenwriters :down: penned works. Both are atrocious and it amazes me how Eon does not realize this, or worse, think they know better than the ticket buying public what we want in Bond. Sheer arrogance by Eon. :fight:
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The Sweeney wrote:Looking at those clips, I can now see Cavill's potential as a Bond. He'd be cool in the role.

But something tells me we may have a long wait until Craig quits the role. If I was in his shoes, I'd stick on to the role for as long as I could. Acting is such a fickle job, and once Craig leaves, who knows where his career will go, so he'd be wise to keep doing Bond as long as Babs wants him to, so his guaranteed paychecks keep coming in. Once he leaves, those big fat pay checks could soon dry up.

I think BO figures on 23 will more than likely decide whether he hangs on to Bond one more time. If 23 tanks, then I could see him quitting the role (unofficially, by mutual consent).

If that happened, this forum would be the place to party, I reckon..... :lol: :martini: :martini: :cig: :martini: :cheers:
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English Agent wrote:'Ali'

By the length of your post......i kinda think you like the guy!

Oops.........no i didn't know he was in the running for CR with DC (somehow missed that....or forgotten! :shock: )

Depending how long DC stays in the Bond franchise..........and it could be a while, depending on the success of the films or not, the gap between making the films and him wanting to carry on in the role, will to a certain extent determine who will be the likely candidate for the role.

I think 'Jackman' is out of the running, the timeline is not right for him, due to his age now, and to a lesser extent that he is probably too well associated with the 'X-men' franchise.

'Cavill' has obviously got a chance, but he may get involved in other film projects in the future which could steer his career in another path, which could see him unavailable for the Bond role.

BUT.......one thing to consider is 'WHY' did EON not pick him in the first place, over Craig!

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LOL yes as of now I think Jackman is sadly out due to age (although while being the same age as Craig he looks WAY younger than Craig, not to mention way hotter LOL). And, I don't think Craig will stay past Bond 23, because of his own will and because of the fact the franchise needs something entirely different and much newer, and the new investors know this.

That said, many things can happen meantime so who knows. And EA, the only reason why he wasn't picked (and they said so) was that he was deemed too young back then. (and Campbell clearly disagreed with the assessment, especially since they were to film a rookie Bond movie). Heard this story before? Yeah, very similar to what happened with Dalton and Brosnan. :D
Looking at those clips, I can now see Cavill's potential as a Bond. He'd be cool in the role.
Sweeney I am very glad those clips made you see Cavill's potential. :cheers: They are only an example, I'm sure if you saw more of him you'd be favorably impressed, but just to showcase a more serious scene, here's a brief scene where I'd say he plays the "nasty customer" part pretty well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Xk2MGfmfs
wonder. Though if Henry Cavill is brought in to replace Craig for Bond 23 or 24 will he be accepted?
It really is a tough call. What is needed is another actor who has the appeal of Pierce Brosnan, who in my opinion was a wonderful Bond. Had he been given better scripts he could have taken Connery on for sheer appeal to all audiences. At least his films were entertaining. Casino Royale was okay, but it was certainly a film of two parts. And far too long.
Quantum Of Boredom was the shortest Bond film in length, but it felt much longer.
Cavill has a very solid US fanbase already, that he garnered with "The Tudors". He is basically in the same position Brosnan was with "Remington Steele" in terms of popularity. And I agree Brosnan was a wonderful Bond. Also Cavill is similar to Brosnan in terms of not having been picked the first time around because "too young". And he is very much like Brosnan in terms of appealing to many and being very good with press and fans. He's also very appreciated by people he works with because he's a very polite, gentleman-like type. One of the writers of "Immortals", his movie to be released in November this year, said the movie will cement him as the new leading man in Hollywood. And that he really deserves it as he is a true class-act, that when production was halfway through, Cavill threw a party for the whole cast and crew, which he paid for. He then went on to compare him to Clooney, Hanks etc.. the types of leading men that can do anything and that also manage to be likeable, nice people in the process. I heard similar praises to him from the director of "Immortals" as well as the creator and producer/writer of "The Tudors". So my only fear is that if his two movies out this year do really well, he may become too big to be Bond. Better too successful than to tank of course, but still. Other than that, I think he really stands a good chance, AND that he would definitely be not only popular, but also one that allows the franchise to capture the younger audience as well, as he's very popular between young women. Immortals is a movie geared towards younger audiences too, he plays Greek warrior Theseus in it, goes to fight the Minotaur. Mickey Rourke plays his father.

I completely agree about QoS and CR, except I didn't even find CR ok, I found it extremely boring (and I'm aware I'm part of a minority not having liked CR, but it's honestly how I feel). Problem is when even the best effort is too long and still doesn't showcase James Bond as he should be, something clearly is not right. That said, it's always a gamble to take on a new actor for such a popular role, but I really feel EON made the wrong choice back then, especially considering the alternatives they had. Craig certainly wasn't the best of the group. Actually, any of the other contenders (Alex O'Loughlin, Henry Cavill, Sam Worthington) would have been way better than him in the part in my opinion. But again, that's just my take. Not to mention of course Hugh Jackman, who was my no.1 choice back then. And even so, had he been given the awful material Craig has been given with QoS, he couldn't have saved it. I kind of think that with another actor things wouldn't have taken the same direction, though. That said, I felt sorry for Craig in QoS because with such lousy material there's no way an actor can make the film decent. It wasn't his fault.

I do not want Bond 23 to tank because I don't want the franchise to be at risk. But I think Craig will go regardless. And I doubt it can do particularly well at the box office seen as it will stand against some very big movies. I think it can do ok, but nothing more than that. If

This is the release roster so far for November 2012:
November, 2 Monsters, Inc. 2 Walt Disney Pictures

November, 9 Bond 23 MGM
November, 9 Ouija Universal

November, 16 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn, Part 2 Summit Entertainment

November, 21 The Guardians Paramount Pictures
November, 21 47 Ronin
And this doesn't include Superman: Man of Steel. Which will also most likely be released in November.

I'd say it isn't looking easy for Bond at all. It has a total of a week by itself, and it isn't even by itself because Monsters Inc is released the week before. And Twilight will no doubt be the no.1 movie when it's released. Not to mention they may release Superman: Man of Steel on the same weekend as Bond. I just don't see how Bond 23 can rake in a phenomenal amount of money. It can hold its own but I don't think it can do much more than that. And that's considering it WON'T be anything even remotely close to the horror that was QoS. Because if that's the case, then I think things may not look good. And again, I do not want that to be the case. I don't want Bond movies to tank as I want an alive franchise, not a comatose one (though it could be argued it already is in a comatose state).

:lol: at the monopoly man! :lol: hahah, electric company to go with the water supply? What about a free out of jail card? Because at this rate, we may see that too :lol:

I am with you in hoping Bond's situation can be rectified, Mulli. Let's just hope this happens sooner rather than later.

BJ is right, it's the artsy at all costs direction that is atrocious, both in terms of writing and in terms of directing. EON has indeed been very arrogant, but I think given the current financial situation that those times will be over quick.
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Ale wrote:I do not want Bond 23 to tank because I don't want the franchise to be at risk. But I think Craig will go regardless. And I doubt it can do particularly well at the box office seen as it will stand against some very big movies. I think it can do ok, but nothing more than that.
I want to see Bond 23 to crash and burn.
EON has indeed been very arrogant, but I think given the current financial situation that those times will be over quick.
DC as Bond fans are arrogant as well.
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Well guys, IT'S OVER!

Was I talking about Superman: Man of Steel going up against Bond? Well it will LITERALLY showcase Bond, since HENRY CAVILL HAS BEEN CAST AS THE NEW SUPERMAN.

While I am THRILLED for him as an actor, I am super pissed as a Bond fan because at this point there is obviously NO WAY he is cast as Bond to replace Craig. Back then, Cavill was ALMOST cast as Batman, ALMOST cast as Bond and ALMOST cast as Superman. Clearly, the Superman franchise people understood the big mistake they made.. and fixed it! UNLIKE the Bond people.

I can't f**king believe this! Another perfect prospect goes while Eon does NOTHING... I'm thrilled for Henry of course, but as a Bond fan I am FURIOUS!
Speaking with Deadline.com, a Warner Brothers executive outlined why Cavill was selected for the role.

"He's got an amazing quality. He doesn't look too much like Reeve and Routh but he's big and strong and he has a very modern feel to him [...] We're really going to try and make Superman as contemporary as possible," the executive said.

Cavill was in the running to portray the Man of Steel in the 2006 re-boot, but was replaced by Routh after Singer took over the project from director McG, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Action movie fans who are unfamiliar with Cavill will become more acquainted with the actor after this November's "Immortals" is released, where he will portray the mythical Theseus in an ensemble cast that includes Mickey Rourke, John Hurt and Stephen Dorff.
And Twitter is going BERSERK already over Cavill's appointment... there are heaps of tweets of ecstatic people. Women especially, of course. :lol:

This is the comment (serious) from the creator and producer of "The Vampire Diaries" (major TV hit) on Twitter:
@julieplec I don't usually get impressed by casting news, but Henry Cavill? Way to think outside the 'studio list' box. Nice.
Kind of says it all when a producer and writer of a hit series reacts like this.
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Henry will be the Christian Bale of Superman.
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Ale wrote:I can't f**king believe this! Another perfect prospect goes while Eon does NOTHING... I'm thrilled for Henry of course, but as a Bond fan I am FURIOUS!
I'll be furious if Bond 23 is successful or worse....get nominations from high profile American movie awards, especially the Oscars.
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FormerBondFan wrote:Henry will be the Christian Bale of Superman.
Definitely so. Especially considering he was to be Batman too, then they picked Bale. I swear Twitter is going nuts over it. It's everywhere :shock: I can't count how many tweets I've read of people who said "wasn't interested before, now I'm definitely gonna watch Superman". As well as "Henry Cavill as new Superman? I'm in!" And all that. I can't get over it, I swear! I am SO happy for him because he totally deserves it but now THERE GOES my dream to see the perfect guy play Bond! And now it's guaranteed that both "The Cold Light of Day" and "Immortals" will do well at the box office, since it's very likely the Superman fans will check those out to see him. Then watch, we'll see Babs saying "oh we DID see him before others! He was just too young". IDIOT!!!

There is no way in hell Bond 23 is nominated for big awards. NO Bond movie ever will be. No matter how pretentious Babs tries to make it seem.
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This is a bummer. Instead of a Cavill Bond we are at the mercy of Barbara's casting again.
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He is going to be a great Superman, too bad about Bond. He and Worthington were good choices now they are too big for the idiots running Bond.

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James wrote:This is a bummer. Instead of a Cavill Bond we are at the mercy of Barbara's casting again.
Good Lord, I don't want to think about that!! I hope he makes a Superman miracle or something. Both Superman and 007. Right? Right? I know, impossible. d**n I'm so angry at Babs I can't even begin to explain!
He is going to be a great Superman, too bad about Bond. He and Worthington were good choices now they are too big for the idiots running Bond.
That is the harsh truth. I agree he is going to be a great Superman. He is a very good actor and he's got the perfect looks to play Superman as well. Clearly the Superman producers KNOW how to fix mistakes. They don't just sit around when a movie isn't a hit. And they don't let the best guy for the role slip twice.

Some are saying he may still replace Craig once he's done... if the Superman role goes well, which I absolutely think it will, I don't think that can happen. But... I never give up hope LOL
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Ale wrote:There is no way in hell Bond 23 is nominated for big awards. NO Bond movie ever will be. No matter how pretentious Babs tries to make it seem.
I'll be happy if Bond 23 gets nominations from the Razzies.
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I wouldn't worry about Bond 23 winning Academy awards. Putting the cart before the horse perhaps, but it'd have to be *d**n* good to do so.
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Calm down Ale. When The Man of Steel outdoes the next Bond Eon might still try to rope him in. The problem will be his salary demand;however, the new owner might say to hell with what he wants, sign him. Superman and Bond on his resume? It just shows you that Broccoli has screwed the franchise and let Jackman go by and Cavill make it without them, while keeping this insane loser as Bond for more films. Bond is over if Cavill or Jackman are history. There is no one else more suited for the role. At this point, who cares about Bond if these mistakes by Eon progress? FBF, which film will gross more, Cavill's or Egg's?
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Ale wrote:
James wrote:This is a bummer. Instead of a Cavill Bond we are at the mercy of Barbara's casting again.
Good Lord, I don't want to think about that!! I hope he makes a Superman miracle or something. Both Superman and 007. Right? Right? I know, impossible. d**n I'm so angry at Babs I can't even begin to explain!
He is going to be a great Superman, too bad about Bond. He and Worthington were good choices now they are too big for the idiots running Bond.
That is the harsh truth. I agree he is going to be a great Superman. He is a very good actor and he's got the perfect looks to play Superman as well. Clearly the Superman producers KNOW how to fix mistakes. They don't just sit around when a movie isn't a hit. And they don't let the best guy for the role slip twice.

Some are saying he may still replace Craig once he's done... if the Superman role goes well, which I absolutely think it will, I don't think that can happen. But... I never give up hope LOL
'Ale'.........blimey, that was quick, it was only yesterday that i mentioned that 'Cavill's' career path might change. Didn't think it would be that quick.
Being realistic EON will never pick someone who is a major star in another franchise (assuming 'Cavill' as Superman is a hit).

As Bond 23 is actually still quite a long way off, and not forgetting the possibilty of DC starring in further Bond adventures, i still think there isn't anyone around today that we know of who could be a likely successor to DC.........and EON could still pick a relatively unknown actor, who they will groom to be solely associated with their franchise.

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Broccoli has ruined this franchise and she is watching her father's legacy drown.
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bjmdds wrote:Broccoli has ruined this franchise and she is watching her father's legacy drown.
Basically. It's Babs' way or nothin'
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