The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[katied]

I enjoy Michael Moore's stuff. I enjoy it it a lot. In the past, my liking Michael Moore caused a lot of tension with people I have known.I would say the vast majority of people I know could care less, but I have a few friends(who are now former friends-coincidence?I think not! ) who were not exactly crazy about me being a fan of Moore's.

[JackWade CIA]

Bruce Willis, Tom Selleck, Charlton Heston, The Duke are some of the better known right wingers but they never let it interfere with their work and didn't bring it to the screen. Not in a preachy manner.

Well, except The Duke. The Green Berets, anyone? And of course Kelsey Grammer appeared in An American Carol, which I haven't seen, but which I've heard is a veritable preachfest. Like I say, believe what you like, but stay off your soapbox, at least in a supposedly escapist piece of entertainment like a Bond film. As you say, overtly political films are a different matter, though even here, the best of them avoid preachiness. To take two examples of left-wing political filmmakers, give me Michael Moore over Oliver Stone any day. Moore at least includes enough humour in his films that they feel less like being hit over the head than Stone's self-important Serious Dramas.

Well the Duke was from a different generation so he didn't understand the outcry. The WWII generation believed if your country is at war you get behind it. No questions asked. However people who met him never had a bad word to say about him personally. The Cowboys director including the producers and actors were out spoken leftest describe what a pleasure it was working with the Duke. The director said he wasn't sure about using the Wayne becuase he thought there would be friction, he met Wayne for dinner and was shocked by how gracious Wayne was. At the end of John Wayne's career he made a few daring choices.

Stuff like Moore's movies and American Carol are political by nature and that is fine. After all it is aimed at a very specific audience. What I don't want is Optimus Prime going on about seeing the President of the United States Birth certificate, environmentalist subtext of the Autobots switching to Bio-diesel, or James Bond and Felix Leiter bitching over a Honey Wheat Mojito how evil their respective countries are.

[Kristatos]

I enjoy Michael Moore's stuff. I enjoy it it a lot. In the past, my liking Michael Moore caused a lot of tension with people I have known.I would say the vast majority of people I know could care less, but I have a few friends(who are now former friends-coincidence?I think not! ) who were not exactly crazy about me being a fan of Moore's.

I think a lot of Moore's critics miss the point of his films. They think that because they are labelled as "documentaries", they should be balanced, like an episode of 60 Minutes/Panorama (delete depending on which side of the Atlantic you're on). Moore himself calls them "op-ed pieces", which I think is a better description. If he worked for a newspaper, he'd be a columnist, not a journalist, and they're under no obligation to be unbiased.

[katied]

Eh,I don't like everything Moore's done. There are a lot of directors who had it, but don't have it the way they used to((one of them rhymes with "tealburg").Because they did a movie about The Holocaust, they're above being criticized.


Anyways, I used to love riling up my conservative friends by talking about how much I liked Fahrenheit 911.

[bjmdds]

I enjoy Michael Moore's stuff. I enjoy it it a lot. In the past, my liking Michael Moore caused a lot of tension with people I have known.I would say the vast majority of people I know could care less, but I have a few friends(who are now former friends-coincidence?I think not! ) who were not exactly crazy about me being a fan of Moore's.

I think a lot of Moore's critics miss the point of his films. They think that because they are labelled as "documentaries", they should be balanced, like an episode of 60 Minutes/Panorama (delete depending on which side of the Atlantic you're on). Moore himself calls them "op-ed pieces", which I think is a better description. If he worked for a newspaper, he'd be a columnist, not a journalist, and they're under no obligation to be unbiased.

60 Minutes is a left-wing propaganda machine. They hate all things non-liberal. Fair and balanced? I think NOT!

[katied]

I grew up watching 60 Minutes every Sunday night-my family would eat dinner while we watched it.

[bjmdds]

An Oh-bama fan club at that show MP, nothing 'more', unless Michael Moore.

[katied]

I think it was unfair of my parents to make we watch it every week as a kid ..yeah I get that they were trying to broaden my horizons, but every week? The political stuff is boring. I like it when they do the human interest stuff.

[zu zu petals]

Katied, is the weather always nice in your town year round? Some day we would like to visit that part of California. I like warm, but not hot weather.

[katied]

Yes, our weather is very nice, I'll try to find some good links and PM them to you. San Diego is coastal, and has mountains(and further out, desert) so you can go from sunny in one part of town to cloudy a few miles away. Last winter was unseasonably wet but that was because we had an El Nino.

[bjmdds]

WS II:Money Never Sleeps was number 1 but only $19 million with such a wide opening. Maybe the bed bug hysteria in NYC theatres kept down the total attendance? Did anyone see it and like it?

[katied]

Haven't seen it but will probably go to a movie(bedbug free, AFAIK)-either Let Me in or The Social Network, this weekend.

[Kristatos]

Wasn't that keen on the first Wall Street. I just don't like Oliver Stone's films, period.

[bjmdds]

Oliver Stone is a bum.

[katied]

JFK was several(I think 3?) hours of my life I'm never going to get back.

[bjmdds]

HP new trailer out. That's a film. Children's story for adults OR an adult story for children? Either way, all will be pleased. That is the genius of the saga.

[katied]

I'm excited for Harry Potter. They actually get it right. IMO the films have gotten darker as the series has gone along. The new movie will not be one for the little kids,that's for sure.

[FormerBondFan]

There's a lot of deaths going on in HP 7 so this final chapter will be the darkest. I wish the last one was a little darker and PG-13.

[Omega]

Can't wait! HP 7 is shaping up.

[Kristatos]

There's a lot of deaths going on in HP 7 so this final chapter will be the darkest. I wish the last one was a little darker and PG-13.

It was as dark as it needed to be. I'm surprised the MPAA only gave it a PG. It was a 12A over here, equivalent to a PG-13. I found it disappointing, but not for that reason. Steve Kloves simply does not know how to condense JK Rowling's books effectively. Hopefully, splitting the last book into two films will help remedy this, but I wish they'd brought back Michael Goldenberg (OOTP), or that Rowling had written the screenplays herself.

It also sucks that they turned down John Williams' offer to score the last films in favour of some dude I'd never heard of.