What Kind of Film Character is Bond?

Post by **carl stromberg** » Tue May 01, 2007 11:04 am

Maybe if Pierce Brosnan had walked around with a stony face and wobbled a drink in front of a mirror whilst covered in blood post-fight after a two hour interminable Spiderman/Matrix/any-other-action-film-you-can-think-of action scene, he would have been called Fleming's Bond too!

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Tue May 01, 2007 11:10 am

Nah he'd have just been a wnaker still.

As for this drink wobbling thing, I think you guys have got that all wrong.

Post by **carl stromberg** » Tue May 01, 2007 11:13 am

What's a wnaker? Sounds like a breakfast cereal.

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Tue May 01, 2007 11:16 am

Maybe so carl, but you wouldn't wanna try it.

I figured the swear filter would blot it out, but you get the idea.

Commander 0077 · Post by **Commander 0077** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:12 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
paco chaos wrote:blonde hair, and no personality.
The Bond of the novels wasn't exactly a bundle of laughs either, so no personality fits the bill perfectly.

Sorry if I sound like a broken record too ...

But the Bond of the books was a pretty funny guy .... not stand-up funny, but he usually had a sardonic, wry point of view.

Also, Fleming had fund poking fun at him. Example : YOLT ...
Tiger is taking Bond to dinner, and the lobster crawls off Bond's plate.

"My God, Tiger! I'ts alive!"

And Tiger goes on to berate him, "Really, Bondo san, you must get over your Western sqeemishness." (or something like that).

To me, that's splitting the sides funny.

And then again, Bond has genuine affection for his friends. This is reciprocated... again, see Tiger's reaction when Bond changes in seeing the photo of Blofeld. Tiger is shocked to see his quote "friend" unquote who has been for the past month a likeable, funny guy morph into a cold avenger.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Wed May 02, 2007 11:26 pm

Commander 0077 wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:
paco chaos wrote:blonde hair, and no personality.
The Bond of the novels wasn't exactly a bundle of laughs either, so no personality fits the bill perfectly.
Sorry if I sound like a broken record too ...

But the Bond of the books was a pretty funny guy .... not stand-up funny, but he usually had a sardonic, wry point of view.

Also, Fleming had fund poking fun at him. Example : YOLT ...
Tiger is taking Bond to dinner, and the lobster crawls off Bond's plate.

"My God, Tiger! I'ts alive!"

And Tiger goes on to berate him, "Really, Bondo san, you must get over your Western sqeemishness." (or something like that).

To me, that's splitting the sides funny.

And then again, Bond has genuine affection for his friends. This is reciprocated... again, see Tiger's reaction when Bond changes in seeing the photo of Blofeld. Tiger is shocked to see his quote "friend" unquote who has been for the past month a likeable, funny guy morph into a cold avenger.

Yuyp! A Bond near the end of his life (or Fleming's life). Check out his very last novel too - TMWTGG. Bond is even more mellow than this.

Whereas you check out the earlier novels, Bond is hardly Charlie Chaplin.

Jedi007 · Post by **Jedi007** » Thu May 03, 2007 2:11 am

So are you saying Bond never looked dangerous, menacing, threatening in the novels then.......

If you're talking about menacing characterization, there's no problem. But when talking about the looks, it's a different matter. Like I've said earlier when he looks like that he would not pass off as a spy...

Post by **The Sweeney** » Thu May 03, 2007 4:53 am

Jedi007 wrote:
So are you saying Bond never looked dangerous, menacing, threatening in the novels then.......
If you're talking about menacing characterization, there's no problem. But when talking about the looks, it's a different matter. Like I've said earlier when he looks like that he would not pass off as a spy...

I keep forgetting that spies are supposed to look more like GQ male fashion catwalk models, and not ordinary looking folk that could blend in easily......

Jedi007 · Post by **Jedi007** » Fri May 04, 2007 3:34 am

The Sweeney wrote: I keep forgetting that spies are supposed to look more like GQ male fashion catwalk models, and not ordinary looking folk that could blend in easily......

Well it doesn't also mean he must look like a musclebound killer...

paco chaos · Post by **paco chaos** » Fri May 04, 2007 7:21 am

Jedi007 wrote:
The Sweeney wrote: I keep forgetting that spies are supposed to look more like GQ male fashion catwalk models, and not ordinary looking folk that could blend in easily......
Well it doesn't also mean he must look like a musclebound killer...

In the book Fleming describes Bond as having movie star good looks. so if Bond doesn't blend in, it's only because his creator didn't really make him sound like someone who would.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Fri May 04, 2007 11:11 am

paco chaos wrote:
Jedi007 wrote:
The Sweeney wrote: I keep forgetting that spies are supposed to look more like GQ male fashion catwalk models, and not ordinary looking folk that could blend in easily......
Well it doesn't also mean he must look like a musclebound killer...
In the book Fleming describes Bond as having movie star good looks. so if Bond doesn't blend in, it's only because his creator didn't really make him sound like someone who would.

This argument swings both ways. So Craig doesn't have movie star good looks now? I guess neither did Steve McQueen.

paco chaos · Post by **paco chaos** » Fri May 04, 2007 3:07 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
paco chaos wrote:
Jedi007 wrote:
The Sweeney wrote: I keep forgetting that spies are supposed to look more like GQ male fashion catwalk models, and not ordinary looking folk that could blend in easily......
Well it doesn't also mean he must look like a musclebound killer...
In the book Fleming describes Bond as having movie star good looks. so if Bond doesn't blend in, it's only because his creator didn't really make him sound like someone who would.
This argument swings both ways. So Craig doesn't have movie star good looks now? I guess neither did Steve McQueen.

well, I guess if you find Steve McQueen Bond material, that's your opinion, but I don't see it that way.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Fri May 04, 2007 4:54 pm

paco chaos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:
paco chaos wrote:
Jedi007 wrote:
The Sweeney wrote: I keep forgetting that spies are supposed to look more like GQ male fashion catwalk models, and not ordinary looking folk that could blend in easily......
Well it doesn't also mean he must look like a musclebound killer...
In the book Fleming describes Bond as having movie star good looks. so if Bond doesn't blend in, it's only because his creator didn't really make him sound like someone who would.
This argument swings both ways. So Craig doesn't have movie star good looks now? I guess neither did Steve McQueen.
well, I guess if you find Steve McQueen Bond material, that's your opinion, but I don't see it that way.

I'm referring the McQueen comparison to Bond looking like a movie star - which McQueen does.

paco chaos · Post by **paco chaos** » Sat May 05, 2007 11:59 pm

The Sweeney wrote:
paco chaos wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:
paco chaos wrote:
Jedi007 wrote:
Well it doesn't also mean he must look like a musclebound killer...
In the book Fleming describes Bond as having movie star good looks. so if Bond doesn't blend in, it's only because his creator didn't really make him sound like someone who would.
This argument swings both ways. So Craig doesn't have movie star good looks now? I guess neither did Steve McQueen.
well, I guess if you find Steve McQueen Bond material, that's your opinion, but I don't see it that way.
I'm referring the McQueen comparison to Bond looking like a movie star - which McQueen does.

I can't argue that McQueen is a movie star, but I doubt he's the one Ian Fleming had in mind.

Wed May 09, 2007 11:51 pm

This argument swings both ways. So Craig doesn't have movie star good looks now? I guess neither did Steve McQueen

I never really understood the Craig/McQueen comparison. Can you really compare the two?

Post by **The Sweeney** » Thu May 10, 2007 11:09 am

Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:
This argument swings both ways. So Craig doesn't have movie star good looks now? I guess neither did Steve McQueen
I never really understood the Craig/McQueen comparison. Can you really compare the two?

So you think there is no resemblance whatsoever between the two of them.....???

Post by **carl stromberg** » Thu May 10, 2007 12:41 pm

Possibly: although Craig is a bit more unique looking.

Count_Lippe · Post by **Count_Lippe** » Thu May 10, 2007 12:54 pm

Wouldn't McQueen have made a pretty good Felix Leiter?

ID · Post by ID » Thu May 10, 2007 4:49 pm

Count_Lippe wrote:Wouldn't McQueen have made a pretty good Felix Leiter?

I agree although not an attainable one. Welcome to the forum Count Lippe.

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:31 am

The trouble with McQueen being Leiter would be that he was too big a star to take a supporting role like that.
If he could've it would most likely have been a great combination.
Connery and McQueen...wow!