Don't be so judgemental

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:09 am

I'm going to disagree with you on that one.
But being a Bond film surely helps.

stockslivevan · Post by **stockslivevan** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:22 am

Jedi007 wrote:Did I say Craig is Bond? I said that the next movie with EON, Purvis and Wade, and Craig in it would be carrying the name James Bond, and that name is what will attract the people into watching it. Definitely Not Craig.

I agree that being the Bond film helps but I think this forum has slightly influenced your mind out of reality when you believe no one is interested in the actor. Well then, who care about casting, anyone could be Bond and the film will still become a success.

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:42 am

To true stocks, the actor playing Bond will be an influence on the audience. I cannot see the day (yet) when a colored actor would be accepted. Not that it wont change in the future.

Post by **Skywalker** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:07 am

Captain Nash wrote: The massive success of CR was because the world had to go see CR to find out what to do...and they'll all stay away from Bond 22 like the plague!
Of course how do we account from the generally positive and glowing reviews?
A toughie, but I'm sure Skywalker or one of his buddies will help.

It will be intersting to see how Bond 22 and 23 perform at the cinema compared with CR and what level of admissions each will attain. I don't personally feel 22 will do as good as CR, but that is not to say it won't be a better film.

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:30 pm

I think it will be hard for Bond 22 to achieve the box office of CR, but never say never.
Watch this space.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:40 pm

Jedi007 wrote:
The Sweeney wrote:
Robert Stirling wrote:Thanks. I'm glad I'm not alone here.
No, you are not alone here with that way of thinking. There at least half a dozen other people on this site that feel the same way you do.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world looks forward to seeing Bond 22, after thoroughly enjoying a Fleming-inspired CR, with Daniel Craig as James Bond.
Well, THE WORLD (not just the know-it-all people from UK and USA who has the internet and the magazines) doesn't even know the Fleming Bond, doesn't even have the original Fleming novels. They know Bond through the films. They know of the charismatic and suave cinematic Bond. Of course they would watch the next Bond film in hope that Bond returns to the suave character they know.

Yup! Spot on again, as usual Jedi.

Probably explains why the DVD sales of CR have been so awfully abysmal, eh........

Jedi007 · Post by **Jedi007** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:34 am

Yup! Spot on again, as usual Jedi.

Probably explains why the DVD sales of CR have been so awfully abysmal, eh........

They were able to ship the DVDs outside the US, not sell it.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:41 am

Jedi007 wrote:
Yup! Spot on again, as usual Jedi.

Probably explains why the DVD sales of CR have been so awfully abysmal, eh........
They were able to ship the DVDs outside the US, not sell it.

So CR has been a flop then......

Jedi007 · Post by **Jedi007** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:50 am

Like I've said earlier you can watch a movie even if you don't like the actor. Of course many people watch the film because it is a James Bond film.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:53 am

Jedi007 wrote:Like I've said earlier you can watch a movie even if you don't like the actor. Of course many people watch the film because it is a James Bond film.

But according to many involved with this site before its release, CR would flop massively because it had Daniel Craig as James Bond.

Looks like they were wrong.

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:59 am

The Sweeney wrote:
Jedi007 wrote:Like I've said earlier you can watch a movie even if you don't like the actor. Of course many people watch the film because it is a James Bond film.
But according to many involved with this site before its release, CR would flop massively because it had Daniel Craig as James Bond.

Looks like they were wrong.

Edit out the looks and like...They were wrong!

Jedi007 · Post by **Jedi007** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:05 am

But the financial success doesn't mean people like Craig.

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:16 am

Yes but the critical success and general all round good word of mouth for Daniel Craig suggest that he's been popular with the masses.
Aswell as a finacial success.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:33 am

Jedi007 wrote:But the financial success doesn't mean people like Craig.

But the financial AND critical success doesn't suggest that people dislike Craig either.

Jedi007 · Post by **Jedi007** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:52 am

Who said so? Heh... Americans... Think they know everything that's going on around them... Ano ha? Alam nyo ba tong sinasabi ko!

Post by **carl stromberg** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:58 am

Well, THE WORLD (not just the know-it-all people from UK and USA who has the internet and the magazines) doesn't even know the Fleming Bond, doesn't even have the original Fleming novels. They know Bond through the films. They know of the charismatic and suave cinematic Bond. Of course they would watch the next Bond film in hope that Bond returns to the suave character they know.

It's true that many people watching the James Bond films are not familiar with the original Fleming novels. The phrase "this is Ian Fleming's James Bond" seems to be a generalisation used by fans and critics. What the phrase"Ian Fleming's James Bond" means is never explained by these critics. Brosnan was back to "Ian Fleming's James Bond" in Die Another Day; and of course Daniel Craig's effort is "Ian Fleming's James Bond", according to the critics.

As people have argued in other threads, I cannot how Daniel Craig is the definitive screen version of Ian Fleming's Bond. Maybe they see a small part of Fleming's Bond's character in Craig's interpretation. Maybe he is closer than the other Bond's - especially Brosnan, or the tone of some of his films - and that is good enough for them.

I think people are mistaken in arguing that 99% of people loved Craig and Casino Royale.

Post by **The Sweeney** » Tue May 01, 2007 11:02 am

Jedi007 wrote:Who said so? Heh... Americans... Think they know everything that's going on around them... Ano ha? Alam nyo ba tong sinasabi ko!

Americans? The entire country?

Sweeping generalisation, don't you think. And the BO figures in the US are more or less in line with Brosnan's 4 films too, so American's didn't like Brosnan either.....

Post by **The Sweeney** » Tue May 01, 2007 11:03 am

carl stromberg wrote:I think people are mistaken in arguing that 99% of people loved Craig and Casino Royale.

No one is arguing this point, but it is also a big mistake to think 99% of people hated Craig either.

Post by **carl stromberg** » Tue May 01, 2007 11:11 am

Remember not to argue with me, Sweeney, or I will take some of your Bondbucks away!

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Tue May 01, 2007 11:14 am

carl stromberg wrote:Remember not to argue with me, Sweeney, or I will take some of your Bondbucks away!

What can these Bond bucks things be used for?
And how did you get 103 carl?
Don't tell me people have been a** kissing already.