The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[stockslivevan]

Like you claimed CR would. Oh, that didn't happen did it? Of course curiosity factor was gone by QOS and flopped like you said. Oh wait, it didn't did it? BJ I think you need a new hobby.

Cr-egg's era will be forgotten quickly, even more so than Dalton's and with time,people will be saying 10 years from now, "what the heck was Eon thinking with Cr-egg as Bond'?

I seriously doubt that. Dalton's tenure suffered for his films being the least popular at the box office and having it cut short by only two films because of the legal wranglings that he never made a mark with the public as 007. Both of Craig's films were vastly more popular, with CR being the biggest hit in the Bond series since the 70s that he has already made his mark with the public as a popular 007. If he continues to star in films more or less as good as CR than QOS then it will only increase his popularity as 007.

Face it, at his current state he's standing with Moore and Brosnan as the popular Bonds of the series. I exclude Connery because he's of a class of his own that no Bond will ever reach.

[Mazer Rackham]

Bottom line, what was CR's and QOS's total profit, at the box office, and then with DVD sales? Mazer might know these totals.

We can guess.....How's that?

CR made profit of better than 150m, about $177M after all was said and done. QoS probably about $153m after all was said and done.

I am using some lose numbers, others suggest the true cost of Quark is higher but somewhat hidden by Sony. My sources say the cost is much higher buy I'll leave them out for now and go with the numbers by others have have done the research on CR and QOS profitability.

DVD sales US CR is around $80m, Quark $44M. International I'm not sure, somebody could did that up if they want.

Short answer :$450m-- Again not digging in depth on this. The DVD totals are over inflated and the real total would be a little less, showing a gross profit at the moment. It would be more accurate if we found out the wholesale cost for CR and QoS DVD. Even then there is a further division of profits.




Hard part of figuring this is what the theaters take is. Opening week for big name movies normally theaters only keep 20 to 25%, then percentage starts to swing to anywhere from 45 to 55% that the theaters gets to keep. It gets better after the fourth week when theaters might get to keep up to 80% or better of the ticket sales.

I believe overseas markets are much more friendly to the theater owners.

[bjmdds]

Like you claimed CR would. Oh, that didn't happen did it? Of course curiosity factor was gone by QOS and flopped like you said. Oh wait, it didn't did it? BJ I think you need a new hobby.

Cr-egg's era will be forgotten quickly, even more so than Dalton's and with time,people will be saying 10 years from now, "what the heck was Eon thinking with Cr-egg as Bond'?

I seriously doubt that. Dalton's tenure suffered for his films being the least popular at the box office and having it cut short by only two films because of the legal wranglings that he never made a mark with the public as 007. Both of Craig's films were vastly more popular, with CR being the biggest hit in the Bond series since the 70s that he has already made his mark with the public as a popular 007. If he continues to star in films more or less as good as CR than QOS then it will only increase his popularity as 007.

Face it, at his current state he's standing with Moore and Brosnan as the popular Bonds of the series. I exclude Connery because he's of a class of his own that no Bond will ever reach.

Craig more popular than Lazenby or Brosnan? I wonder what Sweeney would say about that notion?

[007]

If he continues to star in films more or less as good as CR than QOS then it will only increase his popularity as 007

I think a drunk Michael Winner could probably make a film more or less as good as QOS. Even most of the Craig maniacs think EON have to raise their game after that rubbish.

[stockslivevan]

Like you claimed CR would. Oh, that didn't happen did it? Of course curiosity factor was gone by QOS and flopped like you said. Oh wait, it didn't did it? BJ I think you need a new hobby.

Cr-egg's era will be forgotten quickly, even more so than Dalton's and with time,people will be saying 10 years from now, "what the heck was Eon thinking with Cr-egg as Bond'?

I seriously doubt that. Dalton's tenure suffered for his films being the least popular at the box office and having it cut short by only two films because of the legal wranglings that he never made a mark with the public as 007. Both of Craig's films were vastly more popular, with CR being the biggest hit in the Bond series since the 70s that he has already made his mark with the public as a popular 007. If he continues to star in films more or less as good as CR than QOS then it will only increase his popularity as 007.

Face it, at his current state he's standing with Moore and Brosnan as the popular Bonds of the series. I exclude Connery because he's of a class of his own that no Bond will ever reach.

Craig more popular than Lazenby or Brosnan?

As popular as Brosnan (and Moore). More than Lazenby for sure.

[John Drake]

Like you claimed CR would. Oh, that didn't happen did it? Of course curiosity factor was gone by QOS and flopped like you said. Oh wait, it didn't did it? BJ I think you need a new hobby.

Seeing as it is regarded as one of the worst Bond films ever I think QOS may have been a flop. BJ was derided when he suggested during the golden days of the Craig era in 2006/2007 that the Craig reboot series was a dreadful un-Bondlike Bourne rip-off that people would lose interest in. And he was right as the critics called Craig a charmlesss thug and asked for the old Bond elements back.

Everyone here who felt the rebooted series was too generic and Bourne to really be called James Bond was proved absolutely correct by the critical reception to Quantum of Solace. It just took them all a couple of years to catch up with us.

[stockslivevan]

Like you claimed CR would. Oh, that didn't happen did it? Of course curiosity factor was gone by QOS and flopped like you said. Oh wait, it didn't did it? BJ I think you need a new hobby.

Seeing as it is regarded as one of the worst Bond films ever I think QOS may have been a flop. BJ was derided when he suggested during the golden days of the Craig era in 2006/2007 that the Craig reboot series was a dreadful un-Bondlike Bourne rip-off that people would lose interest in. And he was right as the critics called Craig a charmlesss thug and asked for the old Bond elements back.

Everyone here who felt the rebooted series was too generic and Bourne to really be called James Bond was proved absolutely correct by the critical reception to Quantum of Solace. It just took them all a couple of years to catch up with us.

So why haven't they started bad mouthing CR? From about every review I've seen has them say that it's "not as good as CR". It's the film itself they criticized, not Craig's tenure.

[The Sweeney]

Well said, Stocks.
Also, many of the negative QoS reviews still find time to praise Craig, despite hating the movie itself.

Right now Craig has scored big time with his debut, and a damp squib with his second. It now all depends on Bond 23. If it lives up to the success of CR, then his tenure will become far stronger.

[carl stromberg]

Craig and CR were praised because of the reboot as some people enjoyed something a bit different from the usual Bond. Most QOS reviews attacked the rebooted Bond and therefore were attacking it's main component - Craig.

[Captain Nash]

Craig and CR were praised because of the reboot as some people enjoyed something a bit different from the usual Bond. Most QOS reviews attacked the rebooted Bond and therefore were attacking it's main component - Craig.

That's utter bollocks carl.
The re-boot was only ever a problem for dcinb and alt.OO7 fans. For most it was never an issue.
The reason why CR and Craig were praised is because it gave us a Bond with a broader appeal. It was a more grown up thriller with a good story. For a Bond film.
QOS was panned for being to dull, with a weak story and poor direction and editing. It is a weak follow up to a massive hit.
Through all of this though, one thing remains. Craigs popularity as Bond.
I know it pains so many of you, but Craig IS a popular Bond.
With Bond 23, who knows what will happen?
I'm sure the old dcinb crystal ball will be getting a dust off shortly. Maybe with the next film it may actually work.
Third times a charm.

[mcbride007]

Most of my friends are fed up with the ugly thug Bond and we need a handsome James Bond with jokes now.

[John Drake]

The re-boot was only ever a problem for dcinb and alt.OO7 fans. For most it was never an issue.

The reboot/Craig was an issue all over the place. I was on the forums when Craig was cast and MI6 & AJB were like a warzone. Cbn had a popular thread called 'Stuff Daniel Craig'. What happened? Well, the dissenters gradually filtered away from the forums as you'd expect because they couldn't stand the prospect of DC's craggy old face being the image of Bond for the foreseeable future and lost interest. The various sites eventually began to lose patience with them too and morph into happy-clappy fanboy boards where all the previous James Bond films were awful. By the way, how come Craig has been Bond for nearly five years now and yet you still have to prop him up on forums? When Brosnan was Bond, I don't remember a constant debate on the boards about his suitability for the role. We just used to talk about the next film.

[The Sweeney]

By the way, how come Craig has been Bond for nearly five years now and yet you still have to prop him up on forums? When Brosnan was Bond, I don't remember a constant debate on the boards about his suitability for the role. We just used to talk about the next film.

I don't recall the Bond forums being around back in the mid 90's when Brozza was Bond....maybe that's why...

[The Sweeney]

Craig and CR were praised because of the reboot as some people enjoyed something a bit different from the usual Bond. Most QOS reviews attacked the rebooted Bond and therefore were attacking it's main component - Craig.

Many of the reviews I read attacked the film, but still found time to praise Craig during the review, as though he was the only decent thing to come out of QoS.

But I think Bond 23 will make or break Craig as a popular Bond. If Bond 23 manages to pull of another CR-type of success, then I guess Craig's tenure could be more popular than Brozza's.

If Bond 23 is another QoS, then I'm afraid we have another Brozza era on our hands.......

[carl stromberg]

Carl Stromberg
If Bond 23 is another QoS, then I'm afraid we have another Brozza era on our hands.......

We won't have another Brozza because: 1) the Brosnan films were far superior to QOS. 2) Pierce Brosnan was a more versatile and viable Bond. So there!

We are living thorugh the nightmare Craig Bond era.

[bjmdds]

Happy birthday today to our Moneypenny in California.

[bjmdds]

Carl Stromberg
If Bond 23 is another QoS, then I'm afraid we have another Brozza era on our hands.......

We won't have another Brozza because: 1) the Brosnan films were far superior to QOS. 2) Pierce Brosnan was a more versatile and viable Bond. So there!

We are living thorugh the nightmare Craig Bond era.

CR was a rather dull film, if you rule out the torture scene and the staircase fight. What was it? Nothing but a card game involving one of the most boring villains ever to appear in a Bond film.

[John Drake]

By the way, how come Craig has been Bond for nearly five years now and yet you still have to prop him up on forums? When Brosnan was Bond, I don't remember a constant debate on the boards about his suitability for the role. We just used to talk about the next film.

I don't recall the Bond forums being around back in the mid 90's when Brozza was Bond....maybe that's why...

I was on Bond forums when Brosnan was still Bond from the late nineties on. I just don't remember any constant undercurrent of sniping like we get with Craig now.

[JackWade CIA]

The re-boot was only ever a problem for dcinb and alt.OO7 fans. For most it was never an issue.

The reboot/Craig was an issue all over the place. I was on the forums when Craig was cast and MI6 & AJB were like a warzone. Cbn had a popular thread called 'Stuff Daniel Craig'. What happened? Well, the dissenters gradually filtered away from the forums as you'd expect because they couldn't stand the prospect of DC's craggy old face being the image of Bond for the foreseeable future and lost interest. The various sites eventually began to lose patience with them too and morph into happy-clappy fanboy boards where all the previous James Bond films were awful. By the way, how come Craig has been Bond for nearly five years now and yet you still have to prop him up on forums? When Brosnan was Bond, I don't remember a constant debate on the boards about his suitability for the role. We just used to talk about the next film.

This is true. The internet has evolved by leaps and bounds in the last 10 years, but I was there talking about Pierce Brosnan online in 1995. Not the AOL internet , the real internet in groups and boards then in forums. I even know what FTP means Those were the first websites really.

Brosnan brought some excitement to Bond for the first time in years. 1995 everyone was excited about everything Bond. That hasn't happened with Craig the division and debate continues after 5 years and 2 movies. That was unthinkable before. I don't know what it means but it is a radical difference between then and now. Not just the nostalgia talking.

[John Drake]

That hasn't happened with Craig the division and debate continues after 5 years and 2 movies.

I can think of no less than four Bond websites that were created because of dismay with the casting of Daniel Craig. I doubt very much any other actor would have provoked that reaction or ever will again.