Bond may have finally met his match

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Bond may have finally met his match

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BJ, you may like this :)

There's a couple of things worth noting in the world of box office returns and action/spy flicks. It's basically all about Bourne vs. Bond these days and if you compare the latest two franchise flicks, there's some interesting numbers to look at here that gives credit to Bourne taking over the crown. The Bourne movies pack a lot of action into a pretty modest budget for an action flick. The Bourne Ultimatum cost $110 million to make but made $442m globally, equally split between domestic and foreign returns.

Quantum of Solace cost what I'd deem an excessive $200 million but has already made $450m globally, with nearly 70% of that is coming from overseas.

But you've got to figure in the production costs and how the returns are split between theater and studio, to truly grasp how much better off Universal's franchise is. Solace has only made $47 million for Sony after costs (not even including marketing) while Ultimatum made $133 million for Universal. (Supposedly the studios take is on a sliding scale that works out to be roughly 55%.)

While Solace will increase its haul over the month or so, I doubt it'll actually catch Ultimatum from a pure profit taking stand point.

Even if the Bond franchise is worth more in terms of net value, and even if the Bond films do slightly better globally, the Bourne franchise is ultimately the real winner here because the films are less expensive to produce.

The Bourne Supremacy and Ultimatum cost a combined $185 million to produce but made $731.3 million at the box office which means roughly $402 million for the studio, or about $217 million after costs (still not accounting for marketing since I don't have those numbers.)

This, of course, is not accounting for DVD sales and TV licenses either -- purely box office speculation.

Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace cost a combined $350 million to produce but made a bit over $1 billion globally which means $574 million for the studio, or about $224 million after costs.

While Bourne 3 did better than Bourne 2, Solace hasn't yet bested Royale and may not accomplish that feat at the box office. The difference when you combine the last two films from each franchise comes from the near $600 million performance of Royale. Solace didn't even manage to hold the top spot at the U.S. box office for more than a single weekend and has already dropped to fourth place.

When all is said and done, I'd give the edge to Bourne so long as Universal keeps costs under control. 65, 70, and then 110 million are not unreasonable expenditures for a growing and successful action/adventure franchise, but the truth is that Royale probably cost too much to begin with and passed on that legacy to Solace. Generally speaking most Bond films have had bloated production budgets going back to 2002 when Die Another Day cost as much Royale did, even though its haul was a respectable $431m.

It seems likely that the next Bond film will cost just as much as Solace did, if not more, which is continually trimming the profit margins even with these huge returns.

Regardless, it's nice to see some competition and based on the numbers that Universal has been looking at, it's pretty clear that American audiences prefer Jason Bourne to James Bond and if Sony doesn't get their costs under control. Superman Returns cost a ridiculous $270 million to make leaving Warner Brothers nearly $54 million in the hole (before marketing) even though the flick made nearly $400 million in theaters.

While the Bond films may be getting better, Sony is treading on thin ice when it comes to fiscal responsibility and eventually, that ice is going to break.

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In Bond's defence, it has been going a helluva lot longer than the Bourne franchise. Once Bourne has clocked up nearly 50 years at the cinema, then perhaps we can start comparing the success of both franchises....
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Things may change for the 4th Bourne film. I don't think it will be as successful as Ultimatum. Anyway, I still like Bond better.
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Watching the Bourne film, one gets a sense of dejavu.Like you've watched it several times. Not really so with the Bond films.
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katied wrote:Watching the Bourne film, one gets a sense of dejavu.Like you've watched it several times. Not really so with the Bond films.
I agree. I like the Bourne films, but they do get boring after multiple viewings.
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Which is why a)I'm surprised they're maybe making another Bourne film and b) EON would want to copy that.But EON wants(desperately)to seem "hip" and "with it" thus the Bourne light stuff in QOS
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The Sweeney wrote:In Bond's defence, it has been going a helluva lot longer than the Bourne franchise. Once Bourne has clocked up nearly 50 years at the cinema, then perhaps we can start comparing the success of both franchises....
It may be difficult for Bourne to outlive Damon and the who is Bourne mystery that has now been resolved.
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It may be difficult for Bourne to outlive Damon and the who is Bourne mystery that has now been resolved.

That's true. It's like "who cares?"
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Can Bourne survive when a new actor is required to take on the role.
That's the amazing thing about Bond. We're now upto our sixth actor in the role. He's one of the oddities of the movie world.
There is only one Indiana Jones, one John McClaine, one Rambo, one Bourne, and countless others. And when the actors get too old, then the character does to. With Bond we get to update, to continue. Look what happened to the Jack Ryan films when Harrison Ford turned into Ben Affleck.
Nahh, Bourne will have his day. His time in the sun. But Bond is going to be going strong for a while yet.
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The scene when a new Bond is hired and he's hated(initally) by all and sundry is not a pretty one. EON knew he wasn't going to be popular (at first) but they hired him anyways.That's how the Broccowilsons roll,though.
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katied wrote:
It may be difficult for Bourne to outlive Damon and the who is Bourne mystery that has now been resolved.

That's true. It's like "who cares?"
Very true.
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If they keep going with the Bond films the way they are,they may suffer the same fate.But hopefully good sense will prevail on the Broccowilsons' part :wink:
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Eon has tried to copy much of the success of Damon's spy with The Bourne Mimicry, their first attempt at it in their film, The Bourne Mimicry. They say mimicry is flattery so Eon must be enthralled with Damon's spy. The problem now is the obvious poorer performance of Craig's second outing as Bond, with his first Bourne-like portrayal. If Bond 23 is once again made in the manner of Greengrass' work, then :cheers: "YOU ONLY BOURNE TWICE" :cheers: will do even less than The Bourne Mimicry and MGM will have a lot to say about Bond's future films. Six months will go by, the deck might be shuffled, and Eon will start the process over for their next film. Will Haggis stay on? Will Q and Moneypenny be re-introduced as novices? Has originality been lost by Eon? Time will tell.....
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bjmdds wrote:Eon has tried to copy much of the success of Damon's spy with The Bourne Mimicry, their first attempt at it in their film, The Bourne Mimicry. They say mimicry is flattery so Eon must be enthralled with Damon's spy. The problem now is the obvious poorer performance of Craig's second outing as Bond, with his first Bourne-like portrayal. If Bond 23 is made in the manner of Greengrass' work, then :cheers: "YOU ONLY BOURNE TWICE" :cheers: will do even less than The Bourne Mimicry and MGM will have a lot to say about Bond's future films. Six months will go by, the deck might be shuffled, and Eon will start the process over for their next film. Will Haggis stay on? Will Q and Moneypenny be re-introduced as novices? Has originality been lost by Eon? Time will tell.....
You Only Bourne Twice...I like it! :cheers:
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I thought you might :lol: ........let's see where Eon goes with the next film to see if the title is as relevant as TBM was :lol: :cheers: ......
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Though it must be said I thought Bond being referred to as "emo" on another thread was pretty classic too :P
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If Bond was emo he would like this.

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There's a difference between Bond and emos. In the bathroom emos slit their wrists while Bond's busy beating up a goon.
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Yeah you're right..plus Bond wouldn't be caught dead shopping at Hot Topic :P
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Too bad Spider-Man went emo.

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"Emo Spidey, Emo Spidey, does whatever an Emo Spidey does" :P :P
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