Too much mindless action in CR

[carl stromberg]

Casino Royale was supposed to be a gritty stripped down thriller. Why then did it include neverending generic action sequences with a glum-faced John Rambo-a-like Daniel Craig running through walls, jumping off cranes and speeding oil tankers.........

Did you think that these by the numbers set pieces distracted from what Craig was trying to do with Bond?

[The Sweeney]

Casino Royale was supposed to be a gritty stripped down thriller. Why then did it include neverending generic action sequences with a glum-faced John Rambo-a-like Daniel Craig running through walls, jumping off cranes and speeding oil tankers.........

Did you think that these by the numbers set pieces distracted from what Craig was trying to do with Bond?

I guess if there hadn't been these action set-pieces, some may have found the film boring. And there were only 2 main sequences after all (much less than what you would find in the OTT Brosnan flicks).

[Jack Wade]

LOL WTF!? Too much mindless action? Let's compare...

Foot chase, airport tanker chase, sinking building
vs.
Invisible car chase, hovercraft chase, CGI airplane going through space laser beams.

I'm pretty sure CR's three main action scenes aren't mindless. Are you aware of the action pieces from DAD?

Give me a break.

[Harvey Wallbanger]

Most of the CR's chases were mindless. All the construction site showed was Craig could do physical stunts.
How pointless was the collapsing building in Vienna.
The Miami airport was right out of Die Hard 2.

[The Sweeney]

Whereas the recent Brosnan flicks provided highly realistic, fundamental-to-the-storyline, brilliantly-performed-without-a-CGI-sprite-in-sight, very original action sequences.

I keep forgetting....

[Blowfeld]

Whereas the recent Brosnan flicks provided highly realistic, fundamental-to-the-storyline, brilliantly-performed-without-a-CGI-sprite-in-sight, very original action sequences.

I keep forgetting....

At least the PB action scenes fit in and drove the movie forward. Where as CR could cut 2/3 of the actions scenes and not make a difference to the movie’s story.
Foot chase (can you say wild goose chase?)

airport tanker chase (been there done that)

sinking building (I would have done away with this one because Vesper’s death in the book was much more meaningful)

Car flip (impressive, but the chase should have gone on much longer. Also it should have been JBond’s personal car, not a company vehicle. The repair of the vehicle was part of the healing process)

If you are upset with the CGI you might want to talk with the Broccolis on that point.
CGI was infused in their movies because it was a popular trend in Hollywood.
Can only assume CGI was thought indispensable to compete with modern movies.
The pendulum swung the other way in CR because of (once again) popular trend with similar action movies in Hollywood.

Face it the Bond producers are a weather vain turning when the wind blows. I miss the days when Bond movies lead the way and the everyone else got the hell out of the way.

[The Sweeney]

Whereas the recent Brosnan flicks provided highly realistic, fundamental-to-the-storyline, brilliantly-performed-without-a-CGI-sprite-in-sight, very original action sequences.

I keep forgetting....

At least the PB action scenes fit in and drove the movie forward. Where as CR could cut 2/3 of the actions scenes and not make a difference to the movie’s story.
Foot chase (can you say wild goose chase?)

airport tanker chase (been there done that)

sinking building (I would have done away with this one because Vesper’s death in the book was much more meaningful)

Car flip (impressive, but the chase should have gone on much longer. Also it should have been JBond’s personal car, not a company vehicle. The repair of the vehicle was part of the healing process)

If you are upset with the CGI you might want to talk with the Broccolis on that point.
CGI was infused in their movies because it was a popular trend in Hollywood.
Can only assume CGI was thought indispensable to compete with modern movies.
The pendulum swung the other way in CR because of (once again) popular trend with similar action movies in Hollywood.

Face it the Bond producers are a weather vain turning when the wind blows. I miss the days when Bond movies lead the way and the everyone else got the hell out of the way.

I agree with some of this - hence why I've hated everything EON have stood for during the Brosnan reign. I was very skeptical with the casting of Craig initially, and worried that CR would be more of the same crap I had suffered this past decade.

Thankfully they proved me completely and utterly wrong. This is why I now have changed my opinion on them.

Had you asked me what I thought of Babs and co. straight after DAD, I would have replied saying that Babs needed to be strung up high by barbed wire and pelted with eggs, tomatoes, rottern fruit and large heavy bricks.

And Wilson being forced to throw them, while suspended on a thin piece of rope dangling over a crocodile pit, with his hair on fire.

[Dcbn]

CGI in DAd is not the producer's fault completely, nor is it Brosnan's fault.

Tamahori is mostly to blame for that decision.

[The Sweeney]

CGI in DAd is not the producer's fault completely, nor is it Brosnan's fault.

Tamahori is mostly to blame for that decision.

No, but Babs and co. still give the green light for the dreadful scripts during the Brosnan reign. Shame really, as I would have liked to have seen Brosnan in one decent movie (even Moore got his).

[Junior_Bond]

CGI in DAd is not the producer's fault completely, nor is it Brosnan's fault.

Tamahori is mostly to blame for that decision.

No, but Babs and co. still give the green light for the dreadful scripts during the Brosnan reign. Shame really, as I would have liked to have seen Brosnan in one decent movie (even Moore got his).

To be fair to you guys here, i must admit i was dissapointed that Brosnan
didn't get a decent script that he craved for during his Bond tenure...........
but is that a valid reasion for taking out your frustrations on DC,
you should of pointed the finger at the producers instead.

[Jack Wade]

CGI in DAd is not the producer's fault completely, nor is it Brosnan's fault.

Tamahori is mostly to blame for that decision.

No, but Babs and co. still give the green light for the dreadful scripts during the Brosnan reign. Shame really, as I would have liked to have seen Brosnan in one decent movie (even Moore got his).

GE was at least "decent." It was far superior to the other three films and easily in the top half of best films in the series.

I'm not really sold on the fact that Pierce could've handled a darker movie had he been given the script. If I had to choose between Pierce and DC, I'd take DC.

[BondFan007]

Most of the CR's chases were mindless. All the construction site showed was Craig could do physical stunts.
How pointless was the collapsing building in Vienna.
The Miami airport was right out of Die Hard 2.

It was closer to Licence to Kill.