2006 Version of Casino Royale: By Ian Fleming??

[X3C]

A lot of highly intelligent people claiming to be 'ian fleming experts' say that the CR movie is exactly what Ian fleming wrote...

their basis:

they are the greatest bond fan in history and they have read all of ian fleming's books a million times and all the bond movies of the same count and they say it is exactly what EON & Sony's 2006 Version of Casino Royale is all about.

Take the important details (from bond's appearance, personality and his taste for the things he wanted) and that ian fleming wrote on his book, especially the ones found on the following books: casino royale, goldfinger, from russia with love & On her Majesty's Secret Service.

then if you have the patience, (if you're a bond fan who dislike the CR movie) watch the movie, listen carefully, watch & understand how 'James Bond' is introduced (from his personality, his taste for the things he wanted, and his appearance).

Then tell me that this is exactly the James Bond that Ian Fleming wrote and Daniel Craig is the actor that Ian Fleming wanted for James Bond.

Ian Fleming's Bond was written in the 50's, (during the cold war era) and he came from the Navy. I don't need to repeat all the details here, I don't need to mention his drinks, card games, personality etc. The books by Ian Fleming will tell you Bond's character. The things found in his book is the only James Bond that he wrote. The 'James Bond' and the story that we see from the EON & Sony's 2006 version of Casino Royale is not what Ian Fleming wrote. It was written by Purvis, Wade, and the 'James Bond' concept came from BB. The only thing that came from Ian Fleming's Novel was the Book title, his name, the name of his British Spy & the Ball Busting Torture scene. Nothing More.

EON & Sony's James Bond is different from Flemings Bond. People who is not familiar with Fleming's James Bond will surely love EON & Sony's 'James Bond'. Some Old Time Bonders will like it too. New Bond lovers will surely love this because they think Bond is just another action hero and they were made to believe that this is the history of Fleming's Bond.

A Bond fan who dislikes the new 'James Bond' may not be a genius but they do know the Bond that was written by Fleming.

EON & Sony's 2006 Version of Casino Royale: Made by Ian Fleming?
EON & Sony's 2006 Version of Casino Royale: Quantity or Quality (basing on Flemings Bond)

[The Sweeney]

A lot of highly intelligent people claiming to be 'ian fleming experts' say that the CR movie is exactly what Ian fleming wrote...

their basis:

they are the greatest bond fan in history and they have read all of ian fleming's books a million times and all the bond movies of the same count and they say it is exactly what EON & Sony's 2006 Version of Casino Royale is all about.

Take the important details (from bond's appearance, personality and his taste for the things he wanted) and that ian fleming wrote on his book, especially the ones found on the following books: casino royale, goldfinger, from russia with love & On her Majesty's Secret Service.

then if you have the patience, (if you're a bond fan who dislike the CR movie) watch the movie, listen carefully, watch & understand how 'James Bond' is introduced (from his personality, his taste for the things he wanted, and his appearance).

Then tell me that this is exactly the James Bond that Ian Fleming wrote and Daniel Craig is the actor that Ian Fleming wanted for James Bond.

Ian Fleming's Bond was written in the 50's, (during the cold war era) and he came from the Navy. I don't need to repeat all the details here, I don't need to mention his drinks, card games, personality etc. The books by Ian Fleming will tell you Bond's character. The things found in his book is the only James Bond that he wrote. The 'James Bond' and the story that we see from the EON & Sony's 2006 version of Casino Royale is not what Ian Fleming wrote. It was written by Purvis, Wade, and the 'James Bond' concept came from BB. The only thing that came from Ian Fleming's Novel was the Book title, his name, the name of his British Spy & the Ball Busting Torture scene. Nothing More.

EON & Sony's James Bond is different from Flemings Bond. People who is not familiar with Fleming's James Bond will surely love EON & Sony's 'James Bond'. Some Old Time Bonders will like it too. New Bond lovers will surely love this because they think Bond is just another action hero and they were made to believe that this is the history of Fleming's Bond.

A Bond fan who dislikes the new 'James Bond' may not be a genius but they do know the Bond that was written by Fleming.

EON & Sony's 2006 Version of Casino Royale: Made by Ian Fleming?
EON & Sony's 2006 Version of Casino Royale: Quantity or Quality (basing on Flemings Bond)

Don't agree at all. I'm more a fan of the novels than I am the films, and Craig is as close as I have seen to Fleming's creation on screen. This is one of the reasons why I have disliked the majority of Bond films since 1971 (with the exception of TLD and LTK).

Now I finally have my true Bond back.

Incidentally, Dalton was interviewed on BBC Breakfast a couple of days ago and he gave Craig the big thumbs up, saying he was a terrific Bond, and brought the films back to how they should be.

Not a bad endorsement, and true reflection of an actor who was a massive Fleming fan himself, eh....

[James]

The James Bond of the books is a refined snob of above average height with a black comma of hair above his eyebrow. Daniel Craig, as a poster on the Daily Mail article memorably put it the other day, looks like a plumber from Hull.

[The Sweeney]

The James Bond of the books is a refined snob of above average height with a black comma of hair above his eyebrow. Daniel Craig, as a poster on the Daily Mail article memorably put it the other day, looks like a plumber from Hull.

Nothing wrong with that - I'm from Hull too.

The interview with Dalton on TV -when asked what he thought of Daniel Craig in the role (and the comparisons to his own Bond) Dalton had nothing but praise. He called him 'terrific', saying that the series has really made 'a leap forward'. He also said that the producers and Craig have gone right back to the Fleming grittiness and toughness, 'but even more so'. He compared Craig's interpretation with his own time in the role and mentioned that the world 'wasn't quite ready for what we did', but concluded in a general note of pleasure over Craig's success as Bond.

I'd take Dalton's endorsement over some sad Daily Mail journo any day of the week.

[ID]

Dalton is a friend of the family so to speak so he was hardly likely to say anything else. He's a classy gent anyway and liable to be more inclined to a straightish interpretaion of the role as opposed to the excesses of a Roger Moore for example. I think Dalton and Craig both tried to do a similar thing although it goes without saying that Dalton looked a lot more like a James Bond than Daniel does.

[The Sweeney]

I think Dalton and Craig both tried to do a similar thing although it goes without saying that Dalton looked a lot more like a James Bond than Daniel does.

Hair-wise, yes I agree with you.

[James]

.[/quote] Nothing wrong with that - I'm from Hull too.[/quote]


John Prescott's from Hull. That town has a lot to answer for

[Dr. No]

I think Dalton and Craig both tried to do a similar thing although it goes without saying that Dalton looked a lot more like a James Bond than Daniel does.

Hair-wise, yes I agree with you.

Hair-wise, height-wise, look, attitude, and panache Dalton had it all. He was very faithful to Ian Fleming and the fans.

Hair-wise why didn’t Dan color his hair? It make as much sense as a bald Bond with Connery

[Jack Wade]

So the fact that Daniel Craig doesn't have dark hair means he is a terrible Bond and not Fleming's Bond... makes sense.

I think the fact that Craig's Bond is human, displays emotion, can act, etc. makes him Fleming's Bond. Nitpicking on his appearance is just annoying. Sure Brosnan looked more like Fleming's Bond but at least Craig acts like Fleming's Bond and actually has acting skills.

And hardly any Fleming novels have been perfectly adapted for the screen. Don't jump on the CR movie for being 100% faithful to the book. It's more faithful than many of the other movie adaptations. Moonraker and TMWTGG are two examples of movie versions that stray far from the original novels.

[James]

Great point there. Craig looks nothing like Fleming's Bond but acts like him. Que? In that case how about Sir Ben Kingsley as Bond. Or Sir Ian Mckellen? They can act however you want them to.

[Jack Wade]

Great point there. Craig looks nothing like Fleming's Bond but acts like him. Que? In that case how about Sir Ben Kingsley as Bond. Or Sir Ian Mckellen? They can act however you want them to.

I never said he looks nothing like him. I'm not even going to argue with you about his looks because you pathetic Brosnan fanboys are going to continue to hang your hat on this pathetic argument.

Craig is handsome enough to pass as Bond, even without dark hair. Now grow a brain and realize that's there's more to Bond than frickin' hair color.

[ID]

Craig is handsome?

[Jack Wade]

Craig is handsome?

Yes, as much as you would hate to believe. As a man, I would say he's handsome. And apart from your dear leader who is obsessed with Pierce, an overwhelming majority of the female audience also agree. I've not once heard any woman I've seen the movie with say he's ugly. Honestly, I don't think I've seen any female critics say he wasn't. And yeah, I'm not counting the reviews CnB has made-up from their own small base of followers that are trying to passed off as legitimate reviews.

[carl stromberg]

It does sound like you are a little obsessed with Daniel Craig! Also, well done for talking to billions of people; I presume you have spoken to that number of people as according to you nearly everyone in the world, 98% as you keep mentioning, everyone except me and Johann Hari, loves Daniel and thinks he is really handsome!

I'm not sure about the "dear leader" who loves Pierce Brosnan. You would know more about that than me! I find it strange that you should try to proselytize everyone who didn't enjoy Casino Royale.

[Dr. No]

A lot of highly intelligent people claiming to be 'ian fleming experts' say that the CR movie is exactly what Ian fleming wrote...

their basis:

they are the greatest bond fan in history and they have read all of ian fleming's books a million times and all the bond movies of the same count and they say it is exactly what EON & Sony's 2006 Version of Casino Royale is all about.

Take the important details (from bond's appearance, personality and his taste for the things he wanted) and that ian fleming wrote on his book, especially the ones found on the following books: casino royale, goldfinger, from russia with love & On her Majesty's Secret Service.

then if you have the patience, (if you're a bond fan who dislike the CR movie) watch the movie, listen carefully, watch & understand how 'James Bond' is introduced (from his personality, his taste for the things he wanted, and his appearance).

Then tell me that this is exactly the James Bond that Ian Fleming wrote and Daniel Craig is the actor that Ian Fleming wanted for James Bond.

Ian Fleming's Bond was written in the 50's, (during the cold war era) and he came from the Navy. I don't need to repeat all the details here, I don't need to mention his drinks, card games, personality etc. The books by Ian Fleming will tell you Bond's character. The things found in his book is the only James Bond that he wrote. The 'James Bond' and the story that we see from the EON & Sony's 2006 version of Casino Royale is not what Ian Fleming wrote. It was written by Purvis, Wade, and the 'James Bond' concept came from BB. The only thing that came from Ian Fleming's Novel was the Book title, his name, the name of his British Spy & the Ball Busting Torture scene. Nothing More.

EON & Sony's James Bond is different from Flemings Bond. People who is not familiar with Fleming's James Bond will surely love EON & Sony's 'James Bond'. Some Old Time Bonders will like it too. New Bond lovers will surely love this because they think Bond is just another action hero and they were made to believe that this is the history of Fleming's Bond.

A Bond fan who dislikes the new 'James Bond' may not be a genius but they do know the Bond that was written by Fleming.

EON & Sony's 2006 Version of Casino Royale: Made by Ian Fleming?
EON & Sony's 2006 Version of Casino Royale: Quantity or Quality (basing on Flemings Bond)

very good points. I don't see the Bond known from the books in CR.
It went to far in deconstructing Bond. Jimmy Bond is too crude in Craig’s incarnation.

[Jack Wade]

It does sound like you are a little obsessed with Daniel Craig! Also, well done for talking to billions of people; I presume you have spoken to that number of people as according to you nearly everyone in the world, 98% as you keep mentioning, everyone except me and Johann Hari, loves Daniel and thinks he is really handsome!

I'm not sure about the "dear leader" who loves Pierce Brosnan. You would know more about that than me! I find it strange that you should try to proselytize everyone who didn't enjoy Casino Royale.

I'm not obessed with Craig. If I'm obsessed with anything, it's James Bond. I realize that Craig is the best thing for the character right now, just as Brosnan was the best thing for the character in 1995 when he played a huge role in resurrecting the franchise from the dead, even though the quality of the films went down from there.

Excuse me, by that 97% I meant the fans that are online. Sorry. Honestly, I've come across maybe five or six people on the Bond forums that are anti-Craig. I haven't witnessed any regulars that have said Craig was a poor choice, CR sucked, etc.

Your "leader" is Deanna Brayton or whatever her name is. I mean, come on. Look at the homepage. You can't tell me that she's not obsessed with Pierce.

[carl stromberg]

Excuse me, by that 97% I meant the fans that are online

I wondered why you kept saying that! I thought you were a bit obsessive to suggest that 97% of critics, cinemagoers etc loved Daniel Craig! I apologize and of course the (famous three) forums are very supportive of Daniel Craig.

It's interesting how lots of people who back Craig now hated him before he ws chosen and said so on the forums. Have a look at some of the old posts on certain forums (if you really have nothing better to do!). Of course many have been won over. I think lots of people want to get behind the new Bond as they are "Bond fans". Part of me wants to do the same. But I find Craig unwatchable as Bond (like many others including a leading CommanderBond.net admin) just as people like the Sweeney find Die Another Day "the worst film ever made" and presumably don't own a copy.

[The Sweeney]

just as people like the Sweeney find Die Another Day "the worst film ever made" and presumably don't own a copy.

Never have and never will own a copy. If I ever do see a copy in my house, I will soak it in petrol and set fire to it (in the garden, obviously).

[Jack Wade]

Excuse me, by that 97% I meant the fans that are online

I wondered why you kept saying that! I thought you were a bit obsessive to suggest that 97% of critics, cinemagoers etc loved Daniel Craig! I apologize and of course the (famous three) forums are very supportive of Daniel Craig.

Well actually it wasn't 97% of critics that liked the movie. It was actually 95%.

It's interesting how lots of people who back Craig now hated him before he ws chosen and said so on the forums. Have a look at some of the old posts on certain forums (if you really have nothing better to do!). Of course many have been won over. I think lots of people want to get behind the new Bond as they are "Bond fans". Part of me wants to do the same. But I find Craig unwatchable as Bond (like many others including a leading CommanderBond.net admin) just as people like the Sweeney find Die Another Day "the worst film ever made" and presumably don't own a copy.

I don't think many people hated Craig as Bond before he was chosen. Most people didn't even know he was in the running. And of course, it's hard to judge someone as Bond before they can even show the world how they are in the role. Everyone seemed to love Owen before Craig was hired and it's possible that Owen could've taken the role and been a horrible Bond and we all hated him as 007. What's so wrong with that?

[Commander 0077]

I would like to meet this 'dear leader' - who is this?