Terry wrote:To be honest I'm not really sure why people who liked Casino Royale have such a hard time understanding why it all left others cold. The Sweeney has made a series of posts arguing that Craig is a paradigm shift from the traditional James Bond character that we've all followed in the film series. If that is the case, and great if you like it, why is it so strange that others see it as a change for the worse?
I don't think it is so strange, and I don't have a hard time understanding either. Craig looks nothing like the previous actors, and he is not dark haired either. Also, the shift in character in CR is very different to the typical Moore/Brosnan Bond.
This is not difficult to understand at all. My post earlier was to do with the pre-2005 comments. Everyone has moved on since then. Surely the argument now is why you didn't like Craig in CR, and probably QOS too. Instead, the posts were sounding like I had just had a trip in Doc Brown's Delorian....
But surely the reactions in "2005" concerned Daniel Craig's wrong look for Bond and his unsuitability as a young Bond.
99% of the complaints I read about Craig as Bond in CR concern: his wrong look for Bond and his unsuitability as a young Bond.....
Favorite Bond Movie: Octopussy From Russia With Love The Living Daylights On Her Majestys Secret Service Doctor No .... Ah heck all of them
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I'm wondering why Craig is often seen as a supposedly young Bond.
Just because he's a rookie OO7 why does he have to be a young Bond?
I know that there was press talk before Craig was cast, and some of the other contenders whether legitimate or press rubbish were younger than Craig, but I don't recall anything from Eon or official to say he was suppoesd to be a young man.
Infact I seem to recall that on the CR website they had Bond being born in 1968???
Anyway, my point was that just because he's a new Bond, doesn't mean he has to be a youngster.
Favorite Movies: Bullitt, The Long Good Friday, The Towering Inferno, Jaws, Rocky, Superman the Movie, McVicar, Goodfellas, Get Carter, Three Days of the Condor, Butch & Sundance, The Sting, All the Presidents Men
Terry wrote:To be honest I'm not really sure why people who liked Casino Royale have such a hard time understanding why it all left others cold. The Sweeney has made a series of posts arguing that Craig is a paradigm shift from the traditional James Bond character that we've all followed in the film series. If that is the case, and great if you like it, why is it so strange that others see it as a change for the worse?
I don't think it is so strange, and I don't have a hard time understanding either. Craig looks nothing like the previous actors, and he is not dark haired either. Also, the shift in character in CR is very different to the typical Moore/Brosnan Bond.
This is not difficult to understand at all. My post earlier was to do with the pre-2005 comments. Everyone has moved on since then. Surely the argument now is why you didn't like Craig in CR, and probably QOS too. Instead, the posts were sounding like I had just had a trip in Doc Brown's Delorian....
But surely the reactions in "2005" concerned Daniel Craig's wrong look for Bond and his unsuitability as a young Bond.
99% of the complaints I read about Craig as Bond in CR concern: his wrong look for Bond and his unsuitability as a young Bond.....
But I find now that arguments post CR hold a lot more weight, whether they basically fall down to the same things or not. At least if someone states why they didn't think Craig was right in CR after seeing the movie, I give them a lot more credit. That was always my argument with anti-Craig fans pre-CR. See the guy first, then judge.
These posts were sounding like something straight out of 2005 again, as though they still hadn't seen CR yet. That was all I was commenting on.
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Captain Nash wrote:I'm wondering why Craig is often seen as a supposedly young Bond.
Just because he's a rookie OO7 why does he have to be a young Bond?
I know that there was press talk before Craig was cast, and some of the other contenders whether legitimate or press rubbish were younger than Craig, but I don't recall anything from Eon or official to say he was suppoesd to be a young man.
Infact I seem to recall that on the CR website they had Bond being born in 1968???
Anyway, my point was that just because he's a new Bond, doesn't mean he has to be a youngster.
Favorite Movies: Bullitt, The Long Good Friday, The Towering Inferno, Jaws, Rocky, Superman the Movie, McVicar, Goodfellas, Get Carter, Three Days of the Condor, Butch & Sundance, The Sting, All the Presidents Men
Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry wrote:Why is dislking Daniel Craig's James Bond perfomance in Casino Royale and feeling that he looks nothing like James Bond "old hat"?
Because the posts I was referring to were not mentioning Craig's performance in CR. It sounded like they were still stuck in a timewarp somewhere, mid-Oct 2005.
Captain Nash wrote:I'm wondering why Craig is often seen as a supposedly young Bond.
Just because he's a rookie OO7 why does he have to be a young Bond?
I know that there was press talk before Craig was cast, and some of the other contenders whether legitimate or press rubbish were younger than Craig, but I don't recall anything from Eon or official to say he was suppoesd to be a young man.
Infact I seem to recall that on the CR website they had Bond being born in 1968???
Anyway, my point was that just because he's a new Bond, doesn't mean he has to be a youngster.
Exactly. The young Bond concept was scrapped.
What was all that nonsense about showing DC shooting someone to get his first kill and Dench talking to him as if he was a teenage hooligan? They planned CR to be a young Bond reboot film and then Broccoli insisted on Craig. End result? A botched reboot film with an actor who looks older than the other Bonds on debut.
Favorite Movies: Bullitt, The Long Good Friday, The Towering Inferno, Jaws, Rocky, Superman the Movie, McVicar, Goodfellas, Get Carter, Three Days of the Condor, Butch & Sundance, The Sting, All the Presidents Men
Captain Nash wrote:I'm wondering why Craig is often seen as a supposedly young Bond.
Just because he's a rookie OO7 why does he have to be a young Bond?
I know that there was press talk before Craig was cast, and some of the other contenders whether legitimate or press rubbish were younger than Craig, but I don't recall anything from Eon or official to say he was suppoesd to be a young man.
Infact I seem to recall that on the CR website they had Bond being born in 1968???
Anyway, my point was that just because he's a new Bond, doesn't mean he has to be a youngster.
Exactly. The young Bond concept was scrapped.
What was all that nonsense about showing DC shooting someone to get his first kill and Dench talking to him as if he was a teenage hooligan? They planned CR to be a young Bond reboot film and then Broccoli insisted on Craig. End result? A botched reboot film with an actor who looks older than the other Bonds on debut.
Will we still be talking about this reboot concept after QOS, I wonder.
We do now have a new Bond film on the horizon to discuss, instead of CR which has been exhausted to death! I just can't wait for it to be released, so there can be new arguments to debate, rather than these old hat, yesterdays news ones....
Terry wrote:What was all that nonsense about showing DC shooting someone to get his first kill and Dench talking to him as if he was a teenage hooligan?
M has always treated Bond like that, it's the authority act to let Bond know his place.
Captain Nash wrote:I'm wondering why Craig is often seen as a supposedly young Bond.
Just because he's a rookie OO7 why does he have to be a young Bond?
I know that there was press talk before Craig was cast, and some of the other contenders whether legitimate or press rubbish were younger than Craig, but I don't recall anything from Eon or official to say he was suppoesd to be a young man.
Infact I seem to recall that on the CR website they had Bond being born in 1968???
Anyway, my point was that just because he's a new Bond, doesn't mean he has to be a youngster.
Exactly. The young Bond concept was scrapped.
Don't be silly. Here is a quote from one of the typical bulls**t reviews that came out around the time of the movies release.
Bond is now a young agent, unseasoned and undisciplined, who has only recently been elevated to double-0 status.
Favorite Movies: Bullitt, The Long Good Friday, The Towering Inferno, Jaws, Rocky, Superman the Movie, McVicar, Goodfellas, Get Carter, Three Days of the Condor, Butch & Sundance, The Sting, All the Presidents Men
Captain Nash wrote:I'm wondering why Craig is often seen as a supposedly young Bond.
Just because he's a rookie OO7 why does he have to be a young Bond?
I know that there was press talk before Craig was cast, and some of the other contenders whether legitimate or press rubbish were younger than Craig, but I don't recall anything from Eon or official to say he was suppoesd to be a young man.
Infact I seem to recall that on the CR website they had Bond being born in 1968???
Anyway, my point was that just because he's a new Bond, doesn't mean he has to be a youngster.
Exactly. The young Bond concept was scrapped.
Don't be silly. Here is a quote from one of the typical bulls**t reviews that came out around the time of the movies release.
Bond is now a young agent, unseasoned and undisciplined, who has only recently been elevated to double-0 status.
Favorite Bond Movie: Octopussy From Russia With Love The Living Daylights On Her Majestys Secret Service Doctor No .... Ah heck all of them
Favorite Movies: Lawrence Of Arabia, Forrest Gump, Jaws, The Shawshank Redemption, Vertigo, The Odd Couple, Zoolander, Cool Hand Luke, The Great Escape...many more.
Location: Well here obviously. At the moment of course
Captain Nash wrote:I'm wondering why Craig is often seen as a supposedly young Bond.
Just because he's a rookie OO7 why does he have to be a young Bond?
I know that there was press talk before Craig was cast, and some of the other contenders whether legitimate or press rubbish were younger than Craig, but I don't recall anything from Eon or official to say he was suppoesd to be a young man.
Infact I seem to recall that on the CR website they had Bond being born in 1968???
Anyway, my point was that just because he's a new Bond, doesn't mean he has to be a youngster.
Exactly. The young Bond concept was scrapped.
Don't be silly. Here is a quote from one of the typical bulls**t reviews that came out around the time of the movies release.
Bond is now a young agent, unseasoned and undisciplined, who has only recently been elevated to double-0 status.
