Do Anti-Craiger's now accept he has been a successful Bond?

[matt helm]

Well it is true to say that the British critics ,in particular, have taken Craig to their collective bosom and the film has been a success-that much is obvious.
Does that mean "the world" has accepted him as a great Bond ? My answer is NO.
The critics have never really liked Bond and their wild acceptance of CR as the best Bond film ever by some critics who are self confessed Bond haters is really a bit rich.

However the fact that they have endorsed it proves the point how unlike a Bond film it is.Thats why they like it and by extension like Craig.

The success of CR is down to a quite brilliant and aggressive ad campaign by Sony.

Lets wait for the next film to come out before we decide how great a success Mr.Craig is...

[Skywalker]

The critics have never really liked Bond and their wild acceptance of CR as the best Bond film ever by some critics who are self confessed Bond haters is really a bit rich.

However the fact that they have endorsed it proves the point how unlike a Bond film it is.Thats why they like it and by extension like Craig.

The success of CR is down to a quite brilliant and aggressive ad campaign by Sony.

Some good points made there.

[The Sweeney]

Well it is true to say that the British critics ,in particular, have taken Craig to their collective bosom and the film has been a success-that much is obvious.
Does that mean "the world" has accepted him as a great Bond ? My answer is NO.
The critics have never really liked Bond and their wild acceptance of CR as the best Bond film ever by some critics who are self confessed Bond haters is really a bit rich.

However the fact that they have endorsed it proves the point how unlike a Bond film it is.Thats why they like it and by extension like Craig.

The success of CR is down to a quite brilliant and aggressive ad campaign by Sony.

Lets wait for the next film to come out before we decide how great a success Mr.Craig is...

Globally the biggest BO in Bond history, yet you say it is not a hit worldwide?

Globally endorsed the world over by reviewers from all corners of planet earth, yet still not a hit worldwide?

If this means the world has not accepted Craig yet, then I guess we'll have to wait until Bond 22 is released. I predict here and now that 22 will be even bigger than CR.

My predictions as far back as Craig's announcement waay back in October 2005 that CR would be a bigger hit than DAD had the doubters in stitches over on Mi6 - until I was proved right.

And I predict here and now 22 will be even bigger than CR. I have been known to be right with my bets before. Any takers.....?

[Skywalker]

Globally the biggest BO in Bond history, yet you say it is not a hit worldwide?

Globally endorsed the world over by reviewers from all corners of planet earth, yet still not a hit worldwide?

If this means the world has not accepted Craig yet, then I guess we'll have to wait until Bond 22 is released. I predict here and now that 22 will be even bigger than CR.

My predictions as far back as Craig's announcement waay back in October 2005 that CR would be a bigger hit than DAD had the doubters in stitches over on Mi6 - until I was proved right.

And I predict here and now 22 will be even bigger than CR. I have been known to be right with my bets before. Any takers.....?

BO takings do not acurately show the worldwide popularity. Attendance figures are a much fairer way.

I do agree that Bond 22 should be better than CR, as DC has stated that the refined, sophisticated and cool Bond will return. Not sure it will be viewed by more people though.

[James]

Well it is true to say that the British critics ,in particular, have taken Craig to their collective bosom and the film has been a success-that much is obvious.
Does that mean "the world" has accepted him as a great Bond ? My answer is NO.
The critics have never really liked Bond and their wild acceptance of CR as the best Bond film ever by some critics who are self confessed Bond haters is really a bit rich.

However the fact that they have endorsed it proves the point how unlike a Bond film it is.Thats why they like it and by extension like Craig.

The success of CR is down to a quite brilliant and aggressive ad campaign by Sony.

Lets wait for the next film to come out before we decide how great a success Mr.Craig is...

The PR blitz for CR was above and beyond anything I can remember for Bond. I bet Timothy Dalton wishes he'd got some of that treatment.

[agent english]

Hi

Just thought i'd join the debate.

To clarify a few points.........yes DC and CR have been very successful wordwide.

The film was almost universally well received in most markets.

The US was pretty much on par for a Bond film, Japan and S.Korea were
dissapointing, but yet again on a par for previous Bonds.

The new or newer markets for Bond i.e. China, Russia & India all
contributed around $10mil each.

While Europe (in particular the rich developed nations) attended the film in large numbers. CR was also a big hit in Australia.

In my home country UK.......the film made $108 mil.

The reason the film did well, was mostly because of word of mouth,

i'll give you an example!!

When i normally see a Bond film, people would say to me what was it
like and i'll say it was pretty good........and then someone would say was it silly, over the top with no story type of Bond as usual............and then i'd eventually say, yeah a bit. Then i would ask are you going to see the
film and people would say no, their a bit childish!!

This time, the same questions were asked, and i'd say no, its actually a
good story, with a more believable character............and guess what
people who in the past wouldn't of be seen dead watching a Bond film,
went to see it.

Basically, what i'am saying is that, the makeover was a success not due
to Sony's advertising, or the negative campaign against DC which backfired..........BUT MAINLY BECAUSE IT WAS A BLOODY GOOD, INTELLIGENT, STORY, which cinema audiences worldwide greatly appreciated, after many mediocre formula Bonds of the last 20 years
or so.

I do agree though that BOND 22 will determine whether CR was a flash
in the pan.
Some more traditional elements will probably reappear i.e. Moneypenny,
gadgets etc.
But overall the new formula will almost certainly continue in the next
film with a development of the story from CR. This in itself will have
secured a large potential audience for Bond 22...........and personally
unless they make a mess of making the next film (which i highly doubt),
i can see the film being nothing but a massive success, even bigger than CR..........and an improved BO take in the US.

EA

[TheManWithNoName]

Globally the biggest BO in Bond history, yet you say it is not a hit worldwide?

Globally endorsed the world over by reviewers from all corners of planet earth, yet still not a hit worldwide?

If this means the world has not accepted Craig yet, then I guess we'll have to wait until Bond 22 is released. I predict here and now that 22 will be even bigger than CR.

My predictions as far back as Craig's announcement waay back in October 2005 that CR would be a bigger hit than DAD had the doubters in stitches over on Mi6 - until I was proved right.

And I predict here and now 22 will be even bigger than CR. I have been known to be right with my bets before. Any takers.....?

BO takings do not acurately show the worldwide popularity. Attendance figures are a much fairer way..

Actually, it does. The US Box office only takes up about 29% of the Bond franchise. But why wont some of you guys admit that this film was a success?

[Captain Nash]

Globally the biggest BO in Bond history, yet you say it is not a hit worldwide?

Globally endorsed the world over by reviewers from all corners of planet earth, yet still not a hit worldwide?

If this means the world has not accepted Craig yet, then I guess we'll have to wait until Bond 22 is released. I predict here and now that 22 will be even bigger than CR.

My predictions as far back as Craig's announcement waay back in October 2005 that CR would be a bigger hit than DAD had the doubters in stitches over on Mi6 - until I was proved right.

And I predict here and now 22 will be even bigger than CR. I have been known to be right with my bets before. Any takers.....?

BO takings do not acurately show the worldwide popularity. Attendance figures are a much fairer way..

Actually, it does. The US Box office only takes up about 29% of the Bond franchise. But why wont some of you guys admit that this film was a success?

It was. But there are three types of people on here.
The ones that will accept it.
The ones like an ostrich.
And the ones with there heads up their backsid...

[Skywalker]

Let's face the facts.

Without Joe Public the Bond franchise would not be a franchise. Casino Royale did very at the Box office with the highest worldwide takings of any Bond film. The attendance figures were high although not as high as Roger Moore's opening Bond film LALD.

Why is it that CR is always referenced against DAD?

With respect to DAD it was as we all know PB's last appearance as 007. It actually had higher attendance figures than both TND and TWINE meaning that PB ended his tennure as Bond on a high. Why do Pro DC fans keep claiming that the Bond franchise was in decline when facts prove this was not the case.

PB is the only Bond to end his 007 career on a high (Not that I'm saying DAD was good). No other actor before him had left on a high.

[Robert Stirling]

First of all I'd like to say hello to everybody as it's my first post here.

Now the answer. For me it's very simple. No doubt that CR is quite
a sucessful film in the history of the franchise on the field of gross and critics' reviews (I have a couple of theories why, but it's the other story).
This sucess however, doesn't change my opinion - I don't like the film and the actor. And no matter how many moviegoers, critcis etc. love or would love CR I'm not going to change my views. It's because they depened only on my personal tastes. And that's it.
Sorry for the speech of that length on such obvious subject.

[carl stromberg]

Skywalker said
Why do Pro DC fans keep claiming that the Bond franchise was in decline when facts prove this was not the case

I agree. Some people act as if the Bond franchise was dead and Craig somehow rescued it. That is not the case.

Welcome to the forum, Robert Stirling. I agree with you: just because CR has been successul does not mean that I have to like it!