Bond 24 reboot - you are the producer

[The Saint 007]

On an unrelated note, regarding the gunbarrel, thank goodness for YouTube.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Va3yWbk-9o[/video]

I still don't understand why they said placing the gunbarrel at the beginning of Skyfall wouldn't work. It looked fine to me in the video.

[Kristatos]

I still don't understand why they said placing the gunbarrel at the beginning of Skyfall wouldn't work. It looked fine to me in the video.

It's a shame that, being an amateur production, the iris into the opening scene was a bit clumsy. Then again, the gunbarrel for the first few films didn't iris out at all, IIRC.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

On an unrelated note, regarding the gunbarrel, thank goodness for YouTube.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Va3yWbk-9o[/video]

I still don't understand why they said placing the gunbarrel at the beginning of Skyfall wouldn't work. It looked fine to me in the video.

My guess, moving it for the sake of being different. For Bond #24, the gun barrel will occur at 1:09:15. All this nonsense about 'Bond not yet being Bond' or that it might ruin the shot (yeah... right), shouldn't mean the gun barrel can't open the films.

[Kristatos]

My guess, moving it for the sake of being different. For Bond #24, the gun barrel will occur at 1:09:15. All this nonsense about 'Bond not yet being Bond' or that it might ruin the shot (yeah... right), shouldn't mean the gun barrel can't open the films.

Yeah, how many more times is he going to "become Bond" now?

[The Saint 007]

My guess, moving it for the sake of being different. For Bond #24, the gun barrel will occur at 1:09:15. All this nonsense about 'Bond not yet being Bond' or that it might ruin the shot (yeah... right), shouldn't mean the gun barrel can't open the films.

Yeah, how many more times is he going to "become Bond" now?

My brother said to me the other day that he sort of feels sorry for Craig, because he's going to spend most of his Bond career trying to become Bond. If the gunbarrel does not appear in the beginning of Bond 24, then Barbara is simply trying to irritate the fans. Placing the gunbarrel at the end is not artistic or better, in my opinion.

[Count_Lippe]

Don't know if you've discussed this before, but having the gunbarrel and Bond theme at the end of the film is obviously an influence from the Bourne films.

They always have Moby's theme Extreme Ways at the end of each film.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rMV-rWaU-c[/video]

[John P. Drake]

Nice call, Count Lippe.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

Wait... are you saying that the Craig era is influenced by Bourne?

[John P. Drake]

Wait... are you saying that the Craig era is influenced by Bourne?

Yes, it IS influenced by MATT DAMON's portrayal of Bourne. Totally rubbish.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

That was a joke, see the smiley at the bottom of my post. I am painfully aware of Bond being reBourne.

[Barry Niven]

Don't know if you've discussed this before, but having the gunbarrel and Bond theme at the end of the film is obviously an influence from the Bourne films.

They always have Moby's theme Extreme Ways at the end of each film.

Too true. In fact, the third Damon one (Ultimatum) ended EXACTLY the same as the second (Supremacy) with the Main Henchman pursuing Bourne in a haphazard car chase that concluded with a massive crash leaving the villain injured and helpless at the mercy of the vengeful hero who chooses not to kill his enemy. Now how the #!!* THOSE movies' producers could be so blind or arrogant enough to pull the same trick two movies in a row and assume that no one would notice really pisses me off. WHY the Bond movies' "producers" should even WANT to emulate such an vacant, unimaginative, generic piece of nihilist dreck that's mistaken for "hip" and "cutting-edge" is unfortunately obvious.

[The Saint 007]

Yes, Craig's Bond films have greatly been influenced by the Bourne films. But at the same time, I've heard the gunbarrel was at the end of Skyfall because it didn't look right in the beginning. They felt that ending the film with the gunbarrel complements the new M, Q and Moneypenny returning, Bond being ready to FINALLY take on his next mission, and the beginning is now supposedly complete. But I'll believe that when I see it.

[Kristatos]

Yes, Craig's Bond films have greatly been influenced by the Bourne films. But at the same time, I've heard the gunbarrel was at the end of Skyfall because it didn't look right in the beginning. They felt that ending the film with the gunbarrel complements the new M, Q and Moneypenny returning, Bond being ready to FINALLY take on his next mission, and the beginning is now supposedly complete. But I'll believe that when I see it.

Yeah, next time Q will have a conversion from his previous stance on exploding pens, and the gunbarrel will be at the end again to show that he's finally become Bond because he's got his gadgets back. Or something.

[Count_Lippe]

Of course I didn't mean you weren't aware of the Bourne influence generally speaking for the Craig Bonds, but just this part with having the Bond theme at the end of the film.

I do think the genuine Bourne films are absolutely brilliant though, even though they've been a bad influence to the recent Bonds.

[John P. Drake]

The thing is... Robert Ludlum's original Jason Bourne trilogy was brilliant, and Richard Chamberlain's TV movie was absolutely amazing, there was a villain to fight, there was a terrorism plot to prevent, there was charisma within the thriller, but Matt Damon's character and films completely screwed it up, portraying Bourne like a street thug with laughable fictitious KATN and melee, being a traitor to his country and refusing to accomplish his mission because of his own feelings whilst the enemy of ours will fight against us and wipe us out, that would be alright for pathetic people like Damon's Bourne who "have emotions". I can't understand my own emotions and feelings, let alone understanding the others'. I mean come on, since when Bond was portrayed like being a complete total utter loser like Damon's Bourne? And yet some pathetic little twerps who have no idea what made Bond BOND think it's what Fleming envisioned (that's my face when I hear it ), but no, some stupid pathetic and emotionally unbalanced retard told me that in TWINE: "Instead of Bond expressing his emotions and feelings for killing the woman he loved, Electra, he goes on saving the world like a superman, rubbish", and there my mind was completely blown out. RIDICULOUS!!!! A real man doesn't show "his emotions and feelings" and even if he has one, he suppresses them for his own good. And a wimp like Cr-egg, if that's why they call him "riliztik" (with their yobbo accents), in real-life wouldn't last a day in the army, let alone becoming a janitor in MI6. Need I say more? Because I have tonnes of reasons to give.

[Count_Lippe]

Like I said Bourne has been a negative influence on the Bond character in recent years.

But it's not the first time the Bond producers have been influenced by other contemporary films and genres.

And if you don't like the Bourne films with Matt Damon yourself, there are lots of other films with a more straightforward "stopping the terrorists" plot, etc.

[Daltonite Toothpaste]

Yes, Craig's Bond films have greatly been influenced by the Bourne films. But at the same time, I've heard the gunbarrel was at the end of Skyfall because it didn't look right in the beginning. They felt that ending the film with the gunbarrel complements the new M, Q and Moneypenny returning, Bond being ready to FINALLY take on his next mission, and the beginning is now supposedly complete. But I'll believe that when I see it.

This isn't aimed at you, but that is the biggest load of Albatross s**t i've heard in a long while. Since when did the gun barrel ever have anything to do with how Bond was played? I am speechless at the speed in which the series is disappearing up it's own rear end.

[The Saint 007]

But it's not the first time the Bond producers have been influenced by other contemporary films and genres.

Bond films of the past had a flavour of the contemporary films and genres, and didn't take the influence to the extreme. Craig's Bond films take the Bourne/Batman influences too far, and are hardly recognizable as Bond films, in my opinion.

Moonraker, for example, was influenced by the sci-fi craze created by Star Wars at the time, but it's not as if Bond was like Luke Skywalker.

[The Saint 007]

Yes, Craig's Bond films have greatly been influenced by the Bourne films. But at the same time, I've heard the gunbarrel was at the end of Skyfall because it didn't look right in the beginning. They felt that ending the film with the gunbarrel complements the new M, Q and Moneypenny returning, Bond being ready to FINALLY take on his next mission, and the beginning is now supposedly complete. But I'll believe that when I see it.

This isn't aimed at you, but that is the biggest load of Albatross s**t i've heard in a long while. Since when did the gun barrel ever have anything to do with how Bond was played? I am speechless at the speed in which the series is disappearing up it's own rear end.

That's the reason I heard was given. Can you imagine Licence To Kill ending with the gunbarrel because Bond is no longer a rogue agent? Such a thing would not have been thought of years ago, but it's unfortunately the way it is nowadays. As I said before, the gunbarrel at the beginning looked fine to me in the video. But I guess it didn't suit the filmmakers artistically creative tastes.

[Count_Lippe]

But it's not the first time the Bond producers have been influenced by other contemporary films and genres.

Bond films of the past had a flavour of the contemporary films and genres, and didn't take the influence to the extreme. Craig's Bond films take the Bourne/Batman influences too far, and are hardly recognizable as Bond films, in my opinion.

Moonraker, for example, was influenced by the sci-fi craze created by Star Wars at the time, but it's not as if Bond was like Luke Skywalker.

That's right of course, Bond wasn't turned into James Skywalker, thank god.