The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[The Sweeney]

As I've said before on here, if a black actor becomes Bond I am done with the franchise.

I just watched TLD and LTK back to back today and forgot what a great time it was to be a Bond fan back then. I was never happy with the Brosnan era, but seeing Dalton in the role again, I had forgotten how perfect he was for the role - far more than Craig.

Dalton really got the character, and the producers back then also went to great lengths to honour the Fleming books too. LTK really feels like a Fleming novel, helped on by a few key scenes taken from the books. It also helps that Dalton looked the part too.

After CR, I really feel now looking back on DC's tenure is that it all went downhill. QoS was a bit of a mess, and SF and SP don't excite me watching them anymore, particularly when there are no moments from the novels, and Bond became superhuman again. We are basically back to the Brosnan era MkII.

Since 1987, there are only 2 movies that I rate highly as Bond films - LTK and CR. 2 out of 9 films isn't very good, particularly when that time span stretches over 30 years.

[bjmdds]

Sweeney my man, wherefore art thou? Do you like our boy Aidan Turner for the role?

[The Sweeney]

Sweeney my man, wherefore art thou? Do you like our boy Aidan Turner for the role?

Yes, he could be ok in the part. I'm not holding my breath though.

I just don't trust Babs and co. anymore though to make decent decisions. If she has it her way, God knows who we'll end up with as the next Bond. She really needs to step down and hand over the baton to someone else now. Someone who respects Fleming, and wants to go back to the books, character description and all.

Judging by her tenure as producer, she doesn't have a clue about Fleming, or what material there still is from the novels that could be used. Just because Bond's parents names are mentioned on a tombstone, everyone claims SF was going back to Fleming. Was it bollocks!

And SP having Oberhauser and Hildebrand as nothing more than a name reference check...again not good enough, particularly when they go down the unforgivable route of making out Bond and Blofeld are brothers.

[kater23]

*Tackle hugs Sweeney* long time no see!

[Omega]

Holy Sh't! Babs pissed off Sweeney!

About the casting rumors I don't know if I believe anything in that gossip column.
What actually does scare me is the Chinese trying to buying MGM, which would be for all their bond rights they own more than EON. They could make Thunderball and Casino Royale again on their own without eons ok .
If MGM goes bankrupt the rights go back to the previous holder which I guess would be Saltzman's family.
Also a china deal would probably kill any involvement with Sony, the Chinese are not big fans.

Here's my rant MGM is a weak player, always have been, united artists was weak too.

But I got to blame babs for much of MGMs trouble, at least recent trouble , 2002-3 MGM is doing great DaD was most money they made in their bond partnership at the time, DVDs were selling great DAD sold great, may still hold the sales record for bond because DVD market died 2004 and bluray never took off as promised, neither did 3d and I doubt 4k will do much better .
MGM healthy in 2003 was expecting another bond influx of money 2004, 2005 at the latest, babs has no intention of making another bond anytime soon MGM gets weaker and weaker so much weaker they made a deal with the devil and Sony has say in who is cast as bond and the sheer number of Sony ads.
2010 MGM needed a hit to save them and again babs was not in the mood to make a movie, so we get the mess we have now with MGM being so d**n weak. Their partnership with wb and Sony has kept them producing movies but not really, hobbit and bond are their only aces and both maybe played out at least Bond is with babs in charge.

I have assumed she did this out of incompetence maybe she really has it out for MGM and wants them bankrupt in a way that reverts the rights back. I have a hard time believing she could be so Machiavellian, at least not intentionally.
But I'd still say if she had her act together the MGM we see today would not be a paper lion, casino royale 2004 with down to earth brosnan would be as big as hit as DAD or bigger. The DVD market hadn't tanked yet, MGM might have positioned themselves better never involving Sony.

Ranting is not my thing and This is all on my phone from memory, I also don't know what part the 89-95 hiatus plays in this. There was a part where the studios and cubby were fighting over profit distribution and a time when cubby threatened to sell his share of bond. Was the relationship between them poisoned by that point that the Broccoli's wouldn't lift a finger to help, or is it MGM is soo weak that they had to depend on EON to get them a profit in the first place.

I honestly believe Babs has gotten away with what she has because the studio did not want to upset the one golden goose they have, babs part in this mess maybe secondary as a incompetent produce with bad ideas. I do think she does not like bond, it what her and Craig agreed about early on when they made CR without any of the elements that make bond bond.
I don't think cubby or saltzman would be taking 4-5 years to make a movie, those guys were animals turning out a movie every other year. They wouldn't leave the money on the table .
It might sound extreme to expect a bond movie be made so quickly except it has been done before, and Disney is doing it now with multiple franchises at the same time.
It not like EON is making the Avatar sequels ! Come on get to work EON!






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[bjmdds]

Sweeney my man, wherefore art thou? Do you like our boy Aidan Turner for the role?

Yes, he could be ok in the part. I'm not holding my breath though.

I just don't trust Babs and co. anymore though to make decent decisions. If she has it her way, God knows who we'll end up with as the next Bond. She really needs to step down and hand over the baton to someone else now. Someone who respects Fleming, and wants to go back to the books, character description and all.

Judging by her tenure as producer, she doesn't have a clue about Fleming, or what material there still is from the novels that could be used. Just because Bond's parents names are mentioned on a tombstone, everyone claims SF was going back to Fleming. Was it bollocks!

And SP having Oberhauser and Hildebrand as nothing more than a name reference check...again not good enough, particularly when they go down the unforgivable route of making out Bond and Blofeld are brothers.

Broccoli resents Fleming's treatment of women so she has her vision to redo Fleming's work in HER own image

[The Sweeney]

*Tackle hugs Sweeney* long time no see!

Thanks Katied....

[Dalton exMI6]

As I've said before on here, if a black actor becomes Bond I am done with the franchise.

I just watched TLD and LTK back to back today and forgot what a great time it was to be a Bond fan back then. I was never happy with the Brosnan era, but seeing Dalton in the role again, I had forgotten how perfect he was for the role - far more than Craig.

Dalton really got the character, and the producers back then also went to great lengths to honour the Fleming books too. LTK really feels like a Fleming novel, helped on by a few key scenes taken from the books. It also helps that Dalton looked the part too.

After CR, I really feel now looking back on DC's tenure is that it all went downhill. QoS was a bit of a mess, and SF and SP don't excite me watching them anymore, particularly when there are no moments from the novels, and Bond became superhuman again. We are basically back to the Brosnan era MkII.

Since 1987, there are only 2 movies that I rate highly as Bond films - LTK and CR. 2 out of 9 films isn't very good, particularly when that time span stretches over 30 years.

Good to see appreciation of Dalton and the effort he put into the authenticity of the character. It p**ses me off no end, how some so called Bond fans give Craig the credit for Dalton's work.

And you are right about the more miss than hit quality of EON under Babs. I very much like Brosnan, but, the producers reduced the dimensions of the Bond character during his reign to make an easier buck at the box office. Yes, Goldeneye was fine, but, that was developed before Dalton quit the role. Michael France wrote the story with Dalton in mind and it is Brosnan's best film.

And had Casino Royale had a younger Dalton, then it would have been infinitely better than the Craggers film. There is a reason Fleming gave Bond Byronic qualities and Craig is the antithesis of Byronic.

I to this day regret that Clive Owen was not cast as Bond for CR.

I am reading the Fleming novels and it becomes apparent that some Bond fans have not invested the time in reading them, because page after page, it becomes obvious that Craig is NOT Fleming's Bond by any stretch. Only an illiterate moron would say Craig got closer to Fleming than Dalton.

When I read the novels I visualise Connery and Dalton the most.

[The Sweeney]

As I've said before on here, if a black actor becomes Bond I am done with the franchise.

I just watched TLD and LTK back to back today and forgot what a great time it was to be a Bond fan back then. I was never happy with the Brosnan era, but seeing Dalton in the role again, I had forgotten how perfect he was for the role - far more than Craig.

Dalton really got the character, and the producers back then also went to great lengths to honour the Fleming books too. LTK really feels like a Fleming novel, helped on by a few key scenes taken from the books. It also helps that Dalton looked the part too.

After CR, I really feel now looking back on DC's tenure is that it all went downhill. QoS was a bit of a mess, and SF and SP don't excite me watching them anymore, particularly when there are no moments from the novels, and Bond became superhuman again. We are basically back to the Brosnan era MkII.

Since 1987, there are only 2 movies that I rate highly as Bond films - LTK and CR. 2 out of 9 films isn't very good, particularly when that time span stretches over 30 years.

Good to see appreciation of Dalton and the effort he put into the authenticity of the character. It p**ses me off no end, how some so called Bond fans give Craig the credit for Dalton's work.

And you are right about the more miss than hit quality of EON under Babs. I very much like Brosnan, but, the producers reduced the dimensions of the Bond character during his reign to make an easier buck at the box office. Yes, Goldeneye was fine, but, that was developed before Dalton quit the role. Michael France wrote the story with Dalton in mind and it is Brosnan's best film.

And had Casino Royale had a younger Dalton, then it would have been infinitely better than the Craggers film. There is a reason Fleming gave Bond Byronic qualities and Craig is the antithesis of Byronic.

I to this day regret that Clive Owen was not cast as Bond for CR.

I am reading the Fleming novels and it becomes apparent that some Bond fans have not invested the time in reading them, because page after page, it becomes obvious that Craig is NOT Fleming's Bond by any stretch. Only an illiterate moron would say Craig got closer to Fleming than Dalton.

When I read the novels I visualise Connery and Dalton the most.

Agree totally.

Incidentally, I just saw the making of TLD, and Michael Wilson says on camera that they were looking at the possibility of exploring Bond's childhood, but Cubby was dead against the idea and told them to focus more on existing Fleming material instead.

Cubby was 100% right. He probably wouldn't be too happy with what the producers and writers came up with in SF and particularly SP, having Bond and Blofeld being brothers.

[bjmdds]

Once a dolt, always a dolt Such is the curse of MGW

[Blowfeld]

*Tackle hugs Sweeney* long time no see!

Thanks Katied....

Sweeney we were just talking about you! All good of course!

[bjmdds]

‘Kong’ Beats His Chest On Saturday: Weekend Opening Now At $61M – Sunday AM Update Early morning industry estimates are confirming what we saw late last night: Warner Bros./Legendary monster movie is poised to pull in between $60M-$61M after a $24M Saturday that was +19% from Friday’s $20.2M. And Warner Bros. is reporting Kong: Skull Island at $61M as well. On the high end, that’s a 35% improvement on the pic’s projections four weeks ago, and $11M higher from where we originally thought Kong would land. Imax brought in $7.6M at 382 auditorium repping 12.5% of the weekend. Eight of Kong‘s top 10-grossing locations included Imax bookings. All for the global opening, Kong: Skull Island is at $142.6M which is ahead of the $135M we forecasted.

On social media, you can also feel the warmth for Kong: RelishMix reports that hashtag activity for the Jordan Vogt-Roberts-directed movie has tripled since Thursday at 5.2K unique hashtags combined across Instagram and Twitter to 17.3K on Saturday. #KongSkullIsland hashtags are at 61.4K over four weeks with 21.5K for #Kong and 17.8K for #KingKong. Social gender activity is 60.8% male and 39.1% female while age is slicing 78% over 25 and 21.7% under 25.

[Blowfeld]

As I've said before on here, if a black actor becomes Bond I am done with the franchise.

I just watched TLD and LTK back to back today and forgot what a great time it was to be a Bond fan back then. I was never happy with the Brosnan era, but seeing Dalton in the role again, I had forgotten how perfect he was for the role - far more than Craig.

Dalton really got the character, and the producers back then also went to great lengths to honour the Fleming books too. LTK really feels like a Fleming novel, helped on by a few key scenes taken from the books. It also helps that Dalton looked the part too.

After CR, I really feel now looking back on DC's tenure is that it all went downhill. QoS was a bit of a mess, and SF and SP don't excite me watching them anymore, particularly when there are no moments from the novels, and Bond became superhuman again. We are basically back to the Brosnan era MkII.

Since 1987, there are only 2 movies that I rate highly as Bond films - LTK and CR. 2 out of 9 films isn't very good, particularly when that time span stretches over 30 years.

Good to see appreciation of Dalton and the effort he put into the authenticity of the character. It p**ses me off no end, how some so called Bond fans give Craig the credit for Dalton's work.

And you are right about the more miss than hit quality of EON under Babs. I very much like Brosnan, but, the producers reduced the dimensions of the Bond character during his reign to make an easier buck at the box office. Yes, Goldeneye was fine, but, that was developed before Dalton quit the role. Michael France wrote the story with Dalton in mind and it is Brosnan's best film.

And had Casino Royale had a younger Dalton, then it would have been infinitely better than the Craggers film. There is a reason Fleming gave Bond Byronic qualities and Craig is the antithesis of Byronic.

I to this day regret that Clive Owen was not cast as Bond for CR.

I am reading the Fleming novels and it becomes apparent that some Bond fans have not invested the time in reading them, because page after page, it becomes obvious that Craig is NOT Fleming's Bond by any stretch. Only an illiterate moron would say Craig got closer to Fleming than Dalton.

When I read the novels I visualise Connery and Dalton the most.

Agree totally.

Incidentally, I just saw the making of TLD, and Michael Wilson says on camera that they were looking at the possibility of exploring Bond's childhood, but Cubby was dead against the idea and told them to focus more on existing Fleming material instead.

Cubby was 100% right. He probably wouldn't be too happy with what the producers and writers came up with in SF and particularly SP, having Bond and Blofeld being brothers.

Reading Fleming's 007 I often picture Sir Sean, especially The Hildebrand Rarity. Carte Blanche (Jeffery Deaver's attempt) I pictured a totally different young James Bond.

Michael Wilson has flip flopped all over the place on who 007 is supposed to be, from classic definition of a hero to Bond is the anti-hero encapsulating what his sister and Daniel believe so vehemently. Michael in once sense was twenty years ahead of the out of idea Hollywood notion to recycle proven characters with origin stories. Cubby wisely put the kibosh on any such notions nine years after his passing his children were full speed ahead on 'Bond Begins', unceremoniously jettisoning Cubbys last 007 and legacy with a 'do I look like I gave a d**n' attitude.
Daniel is Barbara's 007, not Ian's, not Cubby's. I suppose she has the right to her own interpretation, the market has not failed her as of yet which is the only approval she has to have. However it is in large part the good graces of the the original series and Bondmania which continue to fuel the idea what a James Bond adventure is today.

Far as Daniel goes I hope he is done with the role because he has clearly shown destain for the series which put him on the map, doubtful Daniel Craig without Barbara's decision to make him a leading man would be anywhere in his career, certainly not getting in million dollar quibbles with his posh neighbours over a few rouge trees. Even if Daniel does depart I have no real expectation of Barbara returning to a 007 her father would have chosen, even if she does get the actor right I can not help but question if will she get the rest of the trappings right.

By the way after viewing Star Trek Beyond I half expect Idris Elba to be chosen simply because he is everywhere.

[The Sweeney]

Michael Wilson has flip flopped all over the place on who 007 is supposed to be, from classic definition of a hero to Bond is the anti-hero encapsulating what his sister and Daniel believe so vehemently. Michael in once sense was twenty years ahead of the out of idea Hollywood notion to recycle proven characters with origin stories. Cubby wisely put the kibosh on any such notions nine years after his passing his children were full speed ahead on 'Bond Begins', unceremoniously jettisoning Cubbys last 007 and legacy with a 'do I look like I gave a d**n' attitude.
Daniel is Barbara's 007, not Ian's, not Cubby's. I suppose she has the right to her own interpretation, the market has not failed her as of yet which is the only approval she has to have. However it is in large part the good graces of the the original series and Bondmania which continue to fuel the idea what a James Bond adventure is today.

Far as Daniel goes I hope he is done with the role because he has clearly shown destain for the series which put him on the map, doubtful Daniel Craig without Barbara's decision to make him a leading man would be anywhere in his career, certainly not getting in million dollar quibbles with his posh neighbours over a few rouge trees. Even if Daniel does depart I have no real expectation of Barbara returning to a 007 her father would have chosen, even if she does get the actor right I can not help but question if will she get the rest of the trappings right.

By the way after viewing Star Trek Beyond I half expect Idris Elba to be chosen simply because he is everywhere.

Great post!

I'm done now with DC as 007 too (shock horror!) I think its time to bring back in an actor who resembles Fleming from the novels, a Dalton type, and also resurrect some of the untapped Fleming scenes from the books. This is only going to happen when Babs steps down from her ivory tower and hands over the baton to someone else, because she hasn't got a clue about the Fleming Bond.

[bjmdds]

You said it Sweene If you have had enough of Cr-egg, so has the world Get rid of Broccoli too for she is the impediment to success and I am sure FBF would agree

[Omega]

Um, bj? Is it cold in hell? I think Sweeney just agreed with blowers .


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[Omega]

Look like skull island is doing better than I thought, but I still think it's going to struggle from not enough show times


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[FormerBondFan]

Get rid of Broccoli too for she is the impediment to success and I am sure FBF would agree

In the alternative universe, Cubby has a namesake son who follows the traditional ways and gave Pierce not only a longer term as Bond but also a creative freedom in a more grittier Bond.

[bjmdds]

NEW YORK — The Northeast is bracing for winter’s last hurrah — a blizzard expected to sweep the New York region starting Monday with possibly the season’s biggest snowstorm dumping up to "18" inches on Central Park.

The National Weather Service issued a blizzard watch Sunday for coastal regions including New York City and surrounding areas of Long Island, Westchester County and Connecticut.

A winter storm watch was in effect for a larger area of the Northeast: New Jersey, Pennsylvania and New England.

[bjmdds]

Um, bj? Is it cold in hell? I think Sweeney just agreed with blowers .


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You said a mouthful big O If Sweeney is on our side, there is no stopping the rest of the Bond fandom, except for the rotten green vegetable who is still in charge and must be vanquished for good My friends are in 85 degree Las Vegas right now, and I had them place bets for me on the Boston Red Sox to win the World Series in October, and the New England Patriots to "repeat" as Superbowl champions next February 2018, which resulted in new additions to my Bond signature below. Maybe Broccoli can add a new Bond to root for as well, so I could get enjoyment out of a 'trifecta' of great news.