The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[bjmdds]

Put your trust in FBF. He will deliver us from the evil Broccoli

[FormerBondFan]

Put your trust in FBF. He will deliver us from the evil Broccoli

Turner (along with any other traditional classic tall and dark-haired types) and Babs DO NOT belong in the same room. Give me this instead:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/32394618/john ... e-reacting

......though I'm not a fan of the idea, and good ole George can say the same:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/george-takei-tri ... 1783306619

[bjmdds]

FBF, ST can now go to hell I am fed up with these action films of iconic nature being political vehicles for the shmucks in Hollywood to push their agendas ST has NO business becoming PC.

[FormerBondFan]

FBF, ST can now go to hell I am fed up with these action films of iconic nature being political vehicles for the shmucks in Hollywood to push their agendas ST has NO business becoming PC.

At least the classic Trek universe is left alone. If you don't want to watch Beyond, go see ID4 2.

[Omega]

What? Wasn't the original trek pushing all kinds of what we'd call now PC disguised as future enlightened values?


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[Omega]

About the shooting in Dallas I though there was a similar attempt at this kind of distance shooting at a black lives matter protest a year or two ago in Missouri.

Wouldn't be surprised if there was a link or even a link to terrorism.



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[Kristatos]

What? Wasn't the original trek pushing all kinds of what we'd call now PC disguised as future enlightened values?


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That's what I thought. This is well within that tradition, and I wouldn’t have a problem with it if it wasn't for the fact that George Takei is against it. Like he says, it's bringing aspects of the actor into the character (even if he is being played by a different actor), and subtly reinforces the notion that gay actors can only play gay characters.

[Omega]

What? Wasn't the original trek pushing all kinds of what we'd call now PC disguised as future enlightened values?


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That's what I thought. This is well within that tradition, and I wouldn’t have a problem with it if it wasn't for the fact that George Takei is against it. Like he says, it's bringing aspects of the actor into the character (even if he is being played by a different actor), and subtly reinforces the notion that gay actors can only play gay characters.

I kind of agree with takei. But get why they wanted to in a way honor takei, but they forgot as many fans do that their trek character and who they are IRL are two different people.
But it's also not edgy, they aren't taking a stand on anything that hasn't been mainstreamed already, not like having a white man kissing a black woman on national tv when there were national laws discriminating people.

If takei thinks it's not a good idea to change sulu then listen to him, IF they are trying to honor him.

Far as having a gay character I couldn't care less, doesn't offend me, also doesn't make me think the film producers are making a brave choice either. Sad part is they'll probably win awards for it.


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[bjmdds]

FBF, ST can now go to hell I am fed up with these action films of iconic nature being political vehicles for the shmucks in Hollywood to push their agendas ST has NO business becoming PC.

At least the classic Trek universe is left alone. If you don't want to watch Beyond, go see ID4 2.

You said a mouthful FBF I want to see these films with NO elements of social re-engineering in it. I would expect Broccoli to turn HER Bond into a BI-sexual entity as well at this rate

[FormerBondFan]

I would expect Broccoli to turn HER Bond into a BI-sexual entity as well at this rate

Then let her do it. James Bond is not for us anymore. He might as well be this flying fiend.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1cb6ZoQsCs[/video]

[Kristatos]

ST has NO business becoming PC...I want to see these films with NO elements of social re-engineering in it.

Have you ever actually *seen* Star Trek?

[bjmdds]

I am referring to the films, not the tv show that was cancelled because of this junk then..................[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... iuDsy7yb8M[/video] This will do at least $800 million worldwide, possibly approaching $1 billion People are STARVING for more Harry Potter-esque films and I believe this one will fill that void beautifully. FBF, I expect you to see this film at least 5 times in November-December. What say yee?

[FormerBondFan]

FBF, I expect you to see this film at least 5 times in November-December. What say yee?

And Rogue One also.

[Atticus]

I want to see these films with NO elements of social re-engineering in it. I would expect Broccoli to turn HER Bond into a BI-sexual entity as well at this rate

She already set the stage in Skyfall. She got Craig's Bond to admit to being with guys, implying he's got sexual identity issues, and Mendes and John Logan happily stuck to this character angle. She's desperate to be embraced by the Hollywood elites. Anyway, that's just my feeling. She's either genuinely doused herself in the loony PC culture, or it's all a calculated thing to get on the good side of the progressive media. But you raise an interesting point, reminding me of an article in Vanity Fair about the recent Captain America movie. The writer Joanna Robinson actually laments that, in this movie, the main characters are straight dudes. "Ah, gosh, it's just too bad they aren't gay"--that kind of attitude.

From the Washington Times:

Vanity Fair writer Joanna Robinson left the theater disappointed. Her reason: Chris Evans' character, super soldier Captain America, got nostalgic for his "skirt-chasing" days with best friend "Bucky" Barnes.

"As if to put the nail in the coffin of speculation, Bucky and Cap paused for a moment in the middle of snowy Siberia to reminisce about their days chasing skirts in pre-War Brooklyn," Ms. Robinson wrote Sunday. "It's a sweet, human bonding moment but one that also bristles with heterosexual virility. If Disney isn't inclined to give audiences a gay superhero, couldn't they have at least left us the dream of Bucky and Cap? …"

Seems to me this is the kind of reporter who Barbara Broccoli longs to have praising her Bond films.

[Blowfeld]

Someone needs to pick up that coveted licence to kill – and bookies think James Norton could be up for the job.

More free publicity for William Hill.

That's precisely what all this bookie talk is, free publicity and nothing more. The bookies could claim Connery is an odds on favorite to come back to the role (a bit hyperbolic but you get my point), who's going to call them on it, because betting on the next Bond is nothing like say betting on a sporting event, where one can look at the two teams and make an informed decision based on players skill. Who the next Bond will be is only known by the executives at EON and their track record is one of tight lips and secrecy, so the bookies are able to manufacture whatever little rumor pops in to their head.

I would almost bet EON encourages these mindless speculation rumour mills to keep 007 in the papers. They could end this bookie gravy train with one phone call.
It's free publicity for the actors so it makes sense for them to play along, I suspect many of the sudden favourites on which a 'large bet' was placed are talent agencies promoting their clients.

What is curious is nobody except a few sad fan boys (with the aid of Sir Rog) are pretending Daniel has not over stayed his welcome, perhaps burning his bridges along the way.

The way some react like the literary Bond fan who supposedly will be giving up on the series after Daniel leaves, first I don't believe them because of the fiction the UnBond like actor is the closest we have ever come to Ian's 007 therefore anything after the departure of this spoiled Lilliputian is bound to disappoint. Also these people giving a pass to the whole Brofeld development (among many other failings) is laughable.

Still maybe it is not so far fetched, Daniel Craig was extremely polarising figure many who jumped on the reboot train of doom invested so much in defending movies and man even they found disappointing why should they be keen to start all over with another unwelcome reboot and recast of god only knows which inappropriate actor catches Ms Barbara's fancy.

The bookies don't know. The people making the bets don't know. The bookies have gotten a ridiculous amount of free publicity during this period.

Sad part is historically the bookies are so off base these kinds of speculation driven stories ought to be illegal. None of their predictions for Pierce's replacement were anywhere near the neighbourhood of reality. The reality is only insiders have a chance of winning, this is bookies fleecing the public.

[Blowfeld]

I want to see these films with NO elements of social re-engineering in it. I would expect Broccoli to turn HER Bond into a BI-sexual entity as well at this rate

She already set the stage in Skyfall. She got Craig's Bond to admit to being with guys, implying he's got sexual identity issues, and Mendes and John Logan happily stuck to this character angle. She's desperate to be embraced by the Hollywood elites. Anyway, that's just my feeling. She's either genuinely doused herself in the loony PC culture, or it's all a calculated thing to get on the good side of the progressive media. But you raise an interesting point, reminding me of an article in Vanity Fair about the recent Captain America movie. The writer Joanna Robinson actually laments that, in this movie, the main characters are straight dudes. "Ah, gosh, it's just too bad they aren't gay"--that kind of attitude.

From the Washington Times:

Vanity Fair writer Joanna Robinson left the theater disappointed. Her reason: Chris Evans' character, super soldier Captain America, got nostalgic for his "skirt-chasing" days with best friend "Bucky" Barnes.

"As if to put the nail in the coffin of speculation, Bucky and Cap paused for a moment in the middle of snowy Siberia to reminisce about their days chasing skirts in pre-War Brooklyn," Ms. Robinson wrote Sunday. "It's a sweet, human bonding moment but one that also bristles with heterosexual virility. If Disney isn't inclined to give audiences a gay superhero, couldn't they have at least left us the dream of Bucky and Cap? …"

Seems to me this is the kind of reporter who Barbara Broccoli longs to have praising her Bond films.

Recent movies in general tend try to sexualize any relationship when they don't the actors and critics try to. Ian McKellen thought the addition of a scene in Return of the King was affirmation of homosexual love between Frodo and Sam, as written by Tolkien it was a statement of friendship they decided to film as it was written. In Ian McKellen's defence it was unusual for anything like it to make it's way into films because it might be misconstrued.

On the other hand starting with Casino Royale the required Bond captured and tortured part of the story arcs had a homoerotic aspect never intended to be in the series. It's the adventures of Commander Bond not Captain Jack Harkness, althou both are WWII vets.

There was a time when the Doctor kissing that awful Daphne Ashbrook in the Doctor Who TV Movie outraged fans, less than a decade later they would cheer fart jokes in the series and the Doctor not just kissing, marrying women left and right.

[Omega]

Maybe it's just me I alway thought most super Heroes were gay. Especially captain America ..

Looks like the new all female ghostbusters is going to be panned by critics and I'd bet flops in this summer of tough bo


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[bjmdds]

Ghostbusters Feminists will BOMB big O It looks like pure trash. ---- FBF, save your dough on this one please.

[bjmdds]

I want to see these films with NO elements of social re-engineering in it. I would expect Broccoli to turn HER Bond into a BI-sexual entity as well at this rate

She already set the stage in Skyfall. She got Craig's Bond to admit to being with guys, implying he's got sexual identity issues, and Mendes and John Logan happily stuck to this character angle. She's desperate to be embraced by the Hollywood elites. Anyway, that's just my feeling. She's either genuinely doused herself in the loony PC culture, or it's all a calculated thing to get on the good side of the progressive media. But you raise an interesting point, reminding me of an article in Vanity Fair about the recent Captain America movie. The writer Joanna Robinson actually laments that, in this movie, the main characters are straight dudes. "Ah, gosh, it's just too bad they aren't gay"--that kind of attitude.

From the Washington Times:

Vanity Fair writer Joanna Robinson left the theater disappointed. Her reason: Chris Evans' character, super soldier Captain America, got nostalgic for his "skirt-chasing" days with best friend "Bucky" Barnes.

"As if to put the nail in the coffin of speculation, Bucky and Cap paused for a moment in the middle of snowy Siberia to reminisce about their days chasing skirts in pre-War Brooklyn," Ms. Robinson wrote Sunday. "It's a sweet, human bonding moment but one that also bristles with heterosexual virility. If Disney isn't inclined to give audiences a gay superhero, couldn't they have at least left us the dream of Bucky and Cap? …"

Seems to me this is the kind of reporter who Barbara Broccoli longs to have praising her Bond films.

Hollywood is a haven of PC extremists looking to ruin the entire younger generation Atticus, and they are succeeding it appears.

[Kristatos]

It's not just critics, though. Twitter is full of people who, for some reason, seem desperate to see a gay superhero. I can see why a gay teenager might want to see a positive role model depicted on the screen, but a lot of this Cap/Bucky shipping seems to be just bandwagon-jumping. It's the fashionable thing to say, just as "Craig is Flemming's Bond anyone who says different just wants invisible cars and double-taking pigeons" was the fashionable thing to say 10 years ago.