The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Omega]

But the cavill stand alones did better for the studio. BvS is down to a supposing $250 budget with 180-200 in p&a, before that $250 number was official it was past $400, google will still have them


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[bjmdds]

Latino-review.com: 7 months ago: "Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice"s budget has ballooned to $410 million dollars. That means it is in the running for being the most expensive movie ever shot. The current record holder is "Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides," according to financial statements obtained by Forbes.....Movieweb.com: 3 months ago: "A report surfaced that claimed Batman v Superman and their DC Extended Universe is in "trouble," and that the studio is worried about the movie after early screening reactions. The report also claimed that the studio may even delay Justice League Part 1, replacing it with Ben Affleck's rumored Untitled Batman Reboot. Even if Justice League Part 1 does start on time, word is that Zack Snyder may not direct it. According to this new report, the studio is more "nervous" than "worried" about the movie, because it may be just as divisive as Man of Steel, and because the budget has balloned beyond expectations. This report claims that the total budget, including marketing costs, is now north of $400 million, nearly twice what Man of Steel cost to make. If these budget figures are accurate, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice will now have to make at least $1 billion worldwide to be considered a hit"....Moviepilot.com: "Being a Zack Snyder movie with a big-name ensemble cast and more CGI than you could shake a Transformer at, it goes without saying that the budget for this one was big: $250m, to be precise. Rumours suggest marketing spend came in at $165m, for an overall spend of $415m, which is frankly obscene and easily places Batman v Superman among the most expensive movies of all time. Because theatres keep a large chunk of box office income, Warner Bros. will probably see around $400m of that $900m, just less than half. And $415m (spent) plus $400m (tickets) equates to a small loss of $15m. DC's Man of Steel returned just $43m."

[FormerBondFan]

Happy Belated Birthday Pierce

http://www.kfvs12.com/story/31965370/ma ... -birthdays

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUQkhPheqNk[/video]

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

Happy birthday Pierce Brosnan.

These t-shirts are now available at CNB's market stall.

[Kristatos]

Nobody seems to be talking about Cavill as Bond any more. The consensus seems to be that he is too tied up with Superman, even though he has said that he is willing to do both.

[Veronica]

Happy Birthday Mr.Brosnan!!
You'll always be my favourite!
As for Cavill,maybe he's out because of Superman and one could easily say "Superman will not be James Bond and James Bond will not be Superman".
Maybe it would be strategically better to have an actor who isn't playing another iconic role so when people see him they see him only as Bond not Bond AND Superman.
That being said,I would gladly see him as Bond since he has both looks and style to pull it off.
Still,both Hiddleston(who doesn't have the looks but has the charm and style) and Turner(who has the looks but I have to watch him more to see if he has the style and charm to pull it of) would be FAR FAR FAAAR and I mean FAAAAAAAAAAAAR better than Craig.

P.S. Just watched an interview with Turner,he was talking about "And Then There Were None".
Comments bellows:"Bond...James Bond."
"Get rid of Daniel Craig instantly. This man would a perfect Bond-a mix of Connery and Brosnan."

Even after 10 years of EON going down our
throats to make us see Craig as the best Bond ever,people still see someone like Turner(or Cavill-all those numerous "James Bond" comments on UNCLE trailers )and think of Bond. What do you say about that,Broccoli?

[FormerBondFan]

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... -TalVHo-U0[/video] THIS guy is the Hugh Jackman type for NOW Maybe Broccoli wants Hiddleston as the next Dr. No? If Broccoli goes rogue again, and picks anyone else as Bond, it's over Comment section below video: Wendy Scott 1 month ago: My reaction to this video was PERFECT! I see looking down at the comments, I wasn't alone. Great job putting this together. I rarely go to Bond films, but I would to see Aidan. I wouldn't have watched And Then There Were None if it weren't for him. As long as he can still be Ross Poldark, I'm happy to see him in other roles. Hard to imagine anyone else as Bond after this!

Don't put your faith in Babs again. You know what she did.

Do you believe Cr-egg is done FBF? Excited?

I won't be excited until Babs is gone, not just DC, though she won't give up that easily. If that's the case, I hope you'll be participating in the DC Bonds Demolition Night, a DC equivalent of this:

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1zN-oLCKo4[/video]

[Alessandra]

I have an immense amount amount of respect for you, but I cannot believe BvS is a smashing Financial success when dozens of reports show the cost and amount to break even was a billion at the bo. Now they have a lot of options like home video toys and shifting costs to planned movies in the series.
I can believe they WB executives think they are on good ground and can move forward with Afleck movies but there is a stench to BvS because of Snyder direction.

This is like the crap Craig says about qos being financially rewarding, or the spin to make spectre look like it cost $250 million when we know they were getting close to $400.

My god BvS had the same bloated budget they are trying to smooth away.
But BvS has a lot more going for it than spectre, by a long shot.

Btw comic book fans are my people there are a few pockets who love BvS generally it's not well thought of. Even torrent sights slag it and has a low count.
Maybe the extended edition will make it a better movie. I think it's fair to say WB knows they f'ed up but I think maybe they can fix it. Trying to do what marvel did over a decade in two movies is tough.
I wished they skipped BvS and did man of steel two, which the first movie made a lot more money for the studio.

I like cavill and his superman would like him as bond if WB can help swing it all the better.
I'm not upset with Loki as bond if that happens, I just want them to make bond movies again.


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I can't show you what I was shown, Omega. It's not stuff I can divulge. But as BJ says, I KNOW MY ONIONS, TOO. Very well. I was shown FIGURES, BUDGET. For a simple reason: I have a dear friend who is at WB now and we were discussing the film and laughing at critics who had to eat crow. So I SAW the actual budget figures and I know what it is. The fact it's reported everywhere doesn't make it right. The reports on Bond film budgets are mostly wrong, and we saw from the SONY emails how wrong they were, yet they KEPT being reported wrongly, in most places. As I said, I wouldn't even have bothered hadn't I known the reality of things.

And that's regardless of whether one likes or doesn't like the movie. They're making money off of it, not losing it. By the way did you know that that film that Kevin Costner did about the undersea world, that was a disaster at the box office and was universally talked about as failure, ACTUALLY MADE MONEY? And you know who I know this from? Kevin Costner himself. This is the point. Box office is a big chunk of money but it's not all of it. Superman and Batman have an amount of gadgets and other stuff related to it that they easily make money anyway. And this film, thanks to GOOD box office because it was good despite the critics, is making money. It's that simple.

Now, whether one likes it or not, this is the reality of things. No if and no but. Anyone believing it or not doesn't change it. It's what it is.

And since we're supposed to discuss Bond here, I will repeat. Henry Cavill for me is the one and ONLY appropriate candidate in every way for Bond. But given the success of his franchise, that's becoming difficult to achieve. HE IS STILL a contender but it looks difficult. SO if I can't have him? I'll gladly take Hiddleston. And Turner is fine by me too, while I have a preference for Hiddleston because I believe he has far better attitude to play the character AND sell the franchise, Turner does look the part more (apart from the lack of blue eyes that very much bothers me), so I'll take him. EITHER would be a drastic improvement from Craig. But I still think the BY FAR best choice is Cavill.

I could show you many different comic books forums where the film was VERY well received, and all the comments on Affleck's Batman being the best in a while, but I'm sure you know yourself.

[bjmdds]

Is Cr-egg REALLY being released or is this an EON publicity stunt? Will Cr-egg be Bond, or not be Bond...........that is the question, for Bond 25? Bookies have slashed the odds on Aidan Turner becoming the next James Bond after a flurry of bets on the Irish actor.

The 32-year-old Dubliner, who stars in hit BBC drama Poldark, was originally tipped as an outsider to succeed Daniel Craig as 007.

But Ladbrokes have cut his odds from 50/1 to just 5/2 after a large number of wagers were placed on him landing the coveted movie role.

English actor Tom Hilddleston, 35, is still the bookies’ favourite, with Coral suspending betting on him over the weekend.

The Night Manager star’s odds were slashed following reports last week he had been spotted meeting Bond film director Sam Mendes and producer Barbara Broccoli in London’s Soho. If he wins the part, Turner will become the second Irish actor to play James Bond after Pierce Brosnan’s stint as the dapper secret agent in Goldeneye (1995), Tomorrow Never Dies (1997), The World Is Not Enough (1999) and Die Another Day (2002)........this should make our FBF VERY happy

[Kristatos]

I'll post the announcement here so that people see it: I have moved the Bond film tournament to the Polls and Games section, as that seemed like the proper place for it.

[Goldeneye]

Did this website go down for 12 hours? I could not get on to it..........

Yes. We were trying to switch servers we use for the classic.com, if failed for whatever reason.

[Goldeneye]

I'll post the announcement here so that people see it: I have moved the Bond film tournament to the Polls and Games section, as that seemed like the proper place for it.

I made it a global announcement so maybe more will see it and get in on the game. We haven't had a game in some time.

[bjmdds]

I have an immense amount amount of respect for you, but I cannot believe BvS is a smashing Financial success when dozens of reports show the cost and amount to break even was a billion at the bo. Now they have a lot of options like home video toys and shifting costs to planned movies in the series.
I can believe they WB executives think they are on good ground and can move forward with Afleck movies but there is a stench to BvS because of Snyder direction.

This is like the crap Craig says about qos being financially rewarding, or the spin to make spectre look like it cost $250 million when we know they were getting close to $400.

My god BvS had the same bloated budget they are trying to smooth away.
But BvS has a lot more going for it than spectre, by a long shot.

Btw comic book fans are my people there are a few pockets who love BvS generally it's not well thought of. Even torrent sights slag it and has a low count.
Maybe the extended edition will make it a better movie. I think it's fair to say WB knows they f'ed up but I think maybe they can fix it. Trying to do what marvel did over a decade in two movies is tough.
I wished they skipped BvS and did man of steel two, which the first movie made a lot more money for the studio.

I like cavill and his superman would like him as bond if WB can help swing it all the better.
I'm not upset with Loki as bond if that happens, I just want them to make bond movies again.


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I can't show you what I was shown, Omega. It's not stuff I can divulge. But as BJ says, I KNOW MY ONIONS, TOO. Very well. I was shown FIGURES, BUDGET. For a simple reason: I have a dear friend who is at WB now and we were discussing the film and laughing at critics who had to eat crow. So I SAW the actual budget figures and I know what it is. The fact it's reported everywhere doesn't make it right. The reports on Bond film budgets are mostly wrong, and we saw from the SONY emails how wrong they were, yet they KEPT being reported wrongly, in most places. As I said, I wouldn't even have bothered hadn't I known the reality of things.

And that's regardless of whether one likes or doesn't like the movie. They're making money off of it, not losing it. By the way did you know that that film that Kevin Costner did about the undersea world, that was a disaster at the box office and was universally talked about as failure, ACTUALLY MADE MONEY? And you know who I know this from? Kevin Costner himself. This is the point. Box office is a big chunk of money but it's not all of it. Superman and Batman have an amount of gadgets and other stuff related to it that they easily make money anyway. And this film, thanks to GOOD box office because it was good despite the critics, is making money. It's that simple.

Now, whether one likes it or not, this is the reality of things. No if and no but. Anyone believing it or not doesn't change it. It's what it is.

And since we're supposed to discuss Bond here, I will repeat. Henry Cavill for me is the one and ONLY appropriate candidate in every way for Bond. But given the success of his franchise, that's becoming difficult to achieve. HE IS STILL a contender but it looks difficult. SO if I can't have him? I'll gladly take Hiddleston. And Turner is fine by me too, while I have a preference for Hiddleston because I believe he has far better attitude to play the character AND sell the franchise, Turner does look the part more (apart from the lack of blue eyes that very much bothers me), so I'll take him. EITHER would be a drastic improvement from Craig. But I still think the BY FAR best choice is Cavill.

I could show you many different comic books forums where the film was VERY well received, and all the comments on Affleck's Batman being the best in a while, but I'm sure you know yourself.

Regarding comparative “second Tuesday” grosses, the Captain America vs. Iron Man action thriller had only a slightly smaller “day 12″ than Age of Ultron ($5.99 million) and a still larger one than Iron Man 3 ($5.1m). It rose a healthy 24% from Monday to Tuesday and fell 57% from last Tuesday, which is about on par with Age of Ultron (+11% and -54%) and Iron Man 3 (+11% and -54%). So a bigger rise from Monday but a more significant dip from last Tuesday.

The big news is its new worldwide total. The film earned $8.9 million outside of North America for a $14.8m global take (down overseas, up in America, for a larger worldwide total than Monday’s $14.1m gross). That brings the film’s overseas cume to $665.3m and its global total to $971.9m. Unless Zootopia ($971.036m as of yesterday) got a big boost, Captain America: Civil War is now the biggest grosser of the year. And if it didn’t happen yesterday, it inevitably will happen by the end of this sentence...............This is what a superhero hit REALLY looks like.

[Omega]

F'it. replace BvS with SP and we got the same crap being spun.

I'm sure out if the 100 million or so who bought a ticket there are plenty who love it or at least like the actors.
Now I read they are not counting P&A when the calculate profits so business is really booming! Maybe they did keep it to $250, I'm fine with that but suspicious because that's exactly what eon claims SP was made for after the leaks


BvS spent something like $130 million in Detroit alone, maybe they could pull it off for what they say. Doesn't really bother me.

What does bother me is somebody I respect, who has gone through the hell of explaining to fan boys the real cost of movies sounds exactly like a studio mouth piece saying the same lines I've being fighting against for years.
It's not that I can't believe WB will make money, after all bond is pretty much limited to theater resale and home video and tv rights, batman can sell underwear and socks along with a movie

it's the simplistic rah-rah see I told you so! BvS is the cat meow yo!

Nobody is eating crow over BvS. It's got a bad rep and it'll keep it. WB took a breather to try to correct the next DC movies coming up and I think cavill will probably be busy with the series for the next ten years at a minimum. I'd hope maybe WB if the distribut would push his name but I'm ready for bond 7 as long it's it's not Craig Jr if such a horrible actor exists.




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[FormerBondFan]

The Night Manager star’s odds were slashed following reports last week he had been spotted meeting Bond film director Sam Mendes and producer Barbara Broccoli in London’s Soho. If he wins the part, Turner will become the second Irish actor to play James Bond after Pierce Brosnan’s stint as the dapper secret agent in Goldeneye (1995), Tomorrow Never Dies (1997), The World Is Not Enough (1999) and Die Another Day (2002)........this should make our FBF VERY happy

As long as Babs is producer, I'm not interested. And BJ, please tell if you're going to participate and take lead (of a faction) in the future DC Bonds Demolition Night. And PLEASE do NOT tell me leading this whole operation.

[Omega]

I don't care about babs, I know what she is and how she treated Brosnan. If the real James Bond comes I might wanna watch. If it's more of cr-sp the babs era I would give up.


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[FormerBondFan]

I don't care about babs, I know what she is and how she treated Brosnan. If the real James Bond comes I might wanna watch. If it's more of cr-sp the babs era I would give up.


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You better hope that when the DC gets replaced, there will be DC Bonds version of the Disco Demolition Night.

[bjmdds]

F'it. replace BvS with SP and we got the same crap being spun.

I'm sure out if the 100 million or so who bought a ticket there are plenty who love it or at least like the actors.
Now I read they are not counting P&A when the calculate profits so business is really booming! Maybe they did keep it to $250, I'm fine with that but suspicious because that's exactly what eon claims SP was made for after the leaks


BvS spent something like $130 million in Detroit alone, maybe they could pull it off for what they say. Doesn't really bother me.

What does bother me is somebody I respect, who has gone through the hell of explaining to fan boys the real cost of movies sounds exactly like a studio mouth piece saying the same lines I've being fighting against for years.
It's not that I can't believe WB will make money, after all bond is pretty much limited to theater resale and home video and tv rights, batman can sell underwear and socks along with a movie

it's the simplistic rah-rah see I told you so! BvS is the cat meow yo!

Nobody is eating crow over BvS. It's got a bad rep and it'll keep it. WB took a breather to try to correct the next DC movies coming up and I think cavill will probably be busy with the series for the next ten years at a minimum. I'd hope maybe WB if the distribut would push his name but I'm ready for bond 7 as long it's it's not Craig Jr if such a horrible actor exists.




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You said it Omega. Facts are B v S was NOT a hit and it disappeared after 3 weeks. It sounded more like a shill for the house than a rational thought. Captain America:Civil War DEFINES what a critical and box office hit really is. Discarding the fact that more negative than positive reviews exist as a figment of people's imagination is quite delusional. If HP lost money, according to the lectures here on theater accounting, how did B v S turn such a quick profit? Creative accounting now by OMITTING P & A from the profit margin? Believing Affleck is an asset as Batman? Not according to the general population.

[bjmdds]

The Night Manager star’s odds were slashed following reports last week he had been spotted meeting Bond film director Sam Mendes and producer Barbara Broccoli in London’s Soho. If he wins the part, Turner will become the second Irish actor to play James Bond after Pierce Brosnan’s stint as the dapper secret agent in Goldeneye (1995), Tomorrow Never Dies (1997), The World Is Not Enough (1999) and Die Another Day (2002)........this should make our FBF VERY happy

As long as Babs is producer, I'm not interested. And BJ, please tell if you're going to participate and take lead (of a faction) in the future DC Bonds Demolition Night. And PLEASE do NOT tell me leading this whole operation.

You need to give Aidan a chance if he is selected FBF. We all hate Broccoli and we all agree if her vision continues with Aidan, she will have doomed the franchise beyond repair. Perhaps a protest in the UK outside of EON headquarters FBF?

[FormerBondFan]

The Night Manager star’s odds were slashed following reports last week he had been spotted meeting Bond film director Sam Mendes and producer Barbara Broccoli in London’s Soho. If he wins the part, Turner will become the second Irish actor to play James Bond after Pierce Brosnan’s stint as the dapper secret agent in Goldeneye (1995), Tomorrow Never Dies (1997), The World Is Not Enough (1999) and Die Another Day (2002)........this should make our FBF VERY happy

As long as Babs is producer, I'm not interested. And BJ, please tell if you're going to participate and take lead (of a faction) in the future DC Bonds Demolition Night. And PLEASE do NOT tell me leading this whole operation.

You need to give Aidan a chance if he is selected FBF. We all hate Broccoli and we all agree if her vision continues with Aidan, she will have doomed the franchise beyond repair. Perhaps a protest in the UK outside of EON headquarters FBF?

I'm done with Bond for good. Yes, Aidan will be fine, but I don't trust Babs.

Really, something needs to be done with DC's Bond and their related merchandise once DC himself is replaced. I would suggest destroying them in a Star Wars event or some other big event like what Disco haters did to the Disco records in a baseball game. Will you be part of this demolition night, BJ?