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I'm only going by what I see, and the photo you showed with Craig in his shades without the make-up, it doesn't show that many wrinkles on his face. He doesn't look as old as Connery did in DAF.

Whether you think Craig is suited for the part of Bond or not, this is nothing to do with that issue. It's purely about ageing, and I think Craig looks pretty much the same now as he did 10 years ago.

Yes, his face looks craggy, yes he isn't conventionally handsome, and yes he looked old even in CR. I am not disputing any of that. But if you compare photos of Craig now, to him in CR, there isn't that much of a difference, particularly when you view the comparisons of Connery and Moore. To say Craig has aged more than Connery did in the same timeframe is delusional.
Well, duh. Guess what, pal, I'm only going by what I see. And I've seen Craig in person, and he looked even older than what we see on the big screen. At the time, I thought a decrepit homeless guy stumbled into the hotel lobby. Anyway, there's no need for you to throw a hissy fit in your response. Pull yourself together. No one's here to make war with you. You're the guy who brought this upon yourself by raising this topic and then showing you're intolerant of other views. I wasn't even responding to you directly. I just started commenting on the things that came to mind as I saw the photos above. As the old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words, and Craig's mug shots speak volumes, revealing all the problems with him in the role. But unfortunately for you, you absolutely make no sense. The Connery photo, which you seem to have a disturbing obsession with, doesn't show him with crags. Sure, he's older in that photo, and overweight, and has touches of grey at the temples, but he's not severely withered-looking with crags like Craig. None of that on my HD screen. Zilch, nada. And yet by you're admittance Craig was already craggy all the way back in CR. By the time we see him in Skyfall, he looked even worse, forcing the filmmakers to address the whole ageing thing in the story. For Spectre, they're desperately avoiding the look he had Skyfall, even getting him to have longer hair (or plopping a piece of rug to thicken what he has left) and casting a 50-year old Monica Belucci to ease or compliment Craig's decrepit face. Moreover, Craig in that ski photo looks gaunt, a withered old man. He has more lines on his forehead than Connery has in the DAF photo. Craig simply didn't look that way in CR. And that's him layered with massive amounts of makeup. Yet, with all that professional makeup, he still looks craggy. If you look closely, there are lines around his mouth, which I don't see in the Connery mug. Here's what's even more disturbing, and this will require some cognitive exercises: the guy's not even 50 but he already looks 70, by your acknowledgement. In other words, he's a biological wreck. By contrast, Connery didn't even look 70 in DAF. He just looked like a middle-age guy. Putting aside comparisons to other actors, how in hell is Craig ageing well when he looks 70 before he's even 50? It tells us he wasn't even ageing nicely before he got the part, and in the span of 10 years he degraded big time, forcing a PR controversy within the studio, as suggested by the flurry of reports about studio heads wanting Craig to have plastic surgery. You gotta reexamine your thesis there, pal.

At this stage, let's put this all into context so you don't throw another hissy fit: remember, this is just me explicating why I believe Craig has aged the worst. As for this topic not being relevant to Craig's suitably for the role...um, actually it is relevant, but you just don't realize it in your self-importance. The reality factor tells us the rationale for recasting the part back in 2005 was to reboot the series with a younger actor so Eon could pursue the bullsh**t origin story angle. Yet, by your admission, Craig was already craggy back then, inadvertently implying he was miscast for that approach. So your comments self-destruct at so many levels, unless it didn't matter to you because your only intention all along was to feel a tad more precious in this forum by taking a stance that's different from the rest of the members. If that's the case, then you're a flaming narcisist. This not a condemnation of you, just me thinking out loud based on the bizarre way you've handled yourself. Let's end this with Mazer Rackham's witty comment above: "Plenty of cash goes into making [Craig] appear less decrepit. . . . You simply wouldn't believe the sorcerers on staff at these places."

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Atticus wrote: Anyway, there's no need for you to throw a hissy fit in your response. Pull yourself together. No one's here to make war with you.
:lol:

I think you need to calm down mate. I've been on here a lot longer than you have, I'm one of the original members, and although I've had an opposing view to everyone else here on Craig, I haven't made war with anyone here...yet!
Atticus wrote: You're the guy who brought this upon yourself by raising this topic and then showing you're intolerant of other views.
Like I said, I've been on here a lot longer than you, and been very tolerant of other views. I'm basically a fan of Craig as 007, and have shared many a heated debate, and have many friends on here, and never once been banned, regardless of my viewpoint. What does that tell you, Einstein.... :lol:
Atticus wrote: I wasn't even responding to you directly. I just started commenting on the things that came to mind as I saw the photos above. As the old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words, and Craig's mug shots speak volumes, revealing all the problems with him in the role. But unfortunately for you, you absolutely make no sense. The Connery photo, which you seem to have a disturbing obsession with, doesn't show him with crags.
Disturbing obsession.... :lol:
Maybe you do too, over Craig. You seem to be getting far more worked up over him than I was over Connery in DAF. I'm actually a Connery fan, believe it or not. GF and FRWL are in my top 5.
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Sure, he's older in that photo, and overweight, and has touches of grey at the temples, but he's not severely withered-looking with crags like Craig. None of that on my HD screen. Zilch, nada. And yet by you're admittance Craig was already craggy all the way back in CR. By the time we see him in Skyfall, he looked even worse, forcing the filmmakers to address the whole ageing thing in the story. For Spectre, they're desperately avoiding the look he had Skyfall, even getting him to have longer hair (or plopping a piece of rug to thicken what he has left) and casting a 50-year old Monica Belucci to ease or compliment Craig's decrepit face. Moreover, Craig in that ski photo looks gaunt, a withered old man. He has more lines on his forehead than Connery has in the DAF photo. Craig simply didn't look that way in CR. And that's him layered with massive amounts of makeup. Yet, with all that professional makeup, he still looks craggy. If you look closely, there are lines around his mouth, which I don't see in the Connery mug. Here's what's even more disturbing, and this will require some cognitive exercises: the guy's not even 50 but he already looks 70, by your acknowledgement. In other words, he's a biological wreck. By contrast, Connery didn't even look 70 in DAF. He just looked like a middle-age guy. Putting aside comparisons to other actors, how in hell is Craig ageing well when he looks 70 before he's even 50? It tells us he wasn't even ageing nicely before he got the part, and in the span of 10 years he degraded big time, forcing a PR controversy within the studio, as suggested by the flurry of reports about studio heads wanting Craig to have plastic surgery.
Wow! I just posted a couple of comparison photos of Connery, and then I read this detailed analysis from you. You must have really studied Craig from every conceivable angle. And you think I have a disturbed obsession.... :happy spin:
Atticus wrote:
At this stage, let's put this all into context so you don't throw another hissy fit:
Is that what you are having right now.... :P
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remember, this is just me explicating why I believe Craig has aged the worst. As for this topic not being relevant to Craig's suitably for the role...um, actually it is relevant, but you just don't realize it in your self-importance. The reality factor tells us the rationale for recasting the part back in 2005 was to reboot the series with a younger actor so Eon could pursue the bullsh**t origin story angle. Yet, by your admission, Craig was already craggy back then, inadvertently implying he was miscast for that approach. So your comments self-destruct at so many levels, unless it didn't matter to you because your only intention all along was to feel a tad more precious in this forum by taking a stance that's different from the rest of the members. If that's the case, then you're a flaming narcisist. This not a condemnation of you, just me thinking out loud based on the bizarre way you've handled yourself. Let's end this with Mazer Rackham's witty comment above: "Plenty of cash goes into making [Craig] appear less decrepit. . . . You simply wouldn't believe the sorcerers on staff at these places."
Careful pal. I've already explained I've been a member on here from Day One, and always had an opposing viewpoint to everyone else, and managed to get on with everyone else in the process. You're a new recruit on here, with only a handful of posts to your name, so you are excused. You probably didn't realise I am the one forum member with an opposing viewpoint, but still managed to remain friends with just about everyone here.

Why don't you calm down and chill. We are all Bond fans at the end of the day... :yay:
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Sweenster, if MGM recruited you right now to take over for Pascal, and you had unlimited creative power for Bond 25, woud you fire Cr-egg and replace him with Cavill if you could after SP-ECCCCHHH-TRE? :idea: Also, some nut named Ron at that other site you also frequent had some interesting things to say about you that I feel you need to know: "Jet Set Willy is the other and he gave this site one of the most profound reviews of CR, personal yet analytical. Personal because he unabashedly revealed how he felt an awakening to his true sexual identity through Daniel Craig. We hope he will return to this site but one of our friends noticed he's now at another forum under the name The Sweeney. That makes sense since he is a new man." :shock: :shock:
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Fifty Shades Of Garbage:Production Budget: $40 million...........so far it grossed worldwide:$410,648,000............treat a woman like junk, and look at the profit margin :!: Why does Broccoli emasculate Bond?
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bjmdds wrote:Sweenster, if MGM recruited you right now to take over for Pascal, any you had unlimited creative power for Bond 25, woud you fire Cr-egg and replace him with Cavill if you could after SP-ECCCCHHH-TRE? :idea: Also, some nut named Ron at that other site you also frequent had some interesting things to say about you that I feel you need to know: "Jet Set Willy is the other and he gave this site one of the most profound reviews of CR, personal yet analytical. Personal because he unabashedly revealed how he felt an awakening to his true sexual identity through Daniel Craig. We hope he will return to this site but one of our friends noticed he's now at another forum under the name The Sweeney. That makes sense since he is a new man." :shock: :shock:
Yes, probably. Cavill is a good choice.
I think after SP then Craig's run is done. I want the next Bond to be dark-haired like a Connery or Dalton, and in a similar mould.

:lol: Who the hell is Ron when he is at home? Was he joking, or being serious? Do have a link...?
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And Babs needs to be removed from her position with Mikey's kids to take her place.
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bjmdds wrote:Fifty Shades Of GarbageImageroduction Budget: $40 million...........so far it grossed worldwide:$410,648,000............treat a woman like junk, and look at the profit margin :!: Why does Broccoli emasculate Bond?
As someone said on Twitter, it's only considered romantic because the guy is a millionaire. If he lived in a trailer, it'd be an episode of Law & Order: SVU.
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Count_Lippe wrote:These are the gay men from the TV series Queer Eye for the Straight Guy , I posted as a respone to Atticus remark that DC looks gay.

Whatever you think of gay men this show was rather fun though.

And maybe we shouldn't say DC looks gay since he's not gay after all, even if we don't like DC as 007 we don't have to insult him.
I must say two things: 1) gay is not an insult. It's who a person is and it's perfectly fine and I actually have a hell of a lot of gay friends who are wonderful people. 2) yes that show was a lot of fun!

Atticus just said that Craig LOOKS gay... and specified it was about the look on his face, haircut, mannerism etc. that he sees in some gay men. The point is that those characteristics clash entirely with the character of James Bond, and he exhibits them when he plays James Bond. Not only there is nothing wrong with being gay, but there's nothing offensive in saying someone looks gay. The point in his case is that he SHOULD NEVER look like that while playing James Bond. That was the point Atticus made.
Come on, saying a straight man looks gay is not exactly meant as a compliment, not what a man would want to hear. :lol:

Those gay men from the TV show look pretty normal, but if you say someone looks gay you mean gay in a stereotypical "bad" way.

If you want to be politically correct you can say there is nothing wrong with saying someone looks gay, but in reality there is.

On the other hand maybe the filmmakers do want to make DC look a bit gay, so perhaps I'm wrong on that part.
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Come to think of it, didn't Lazenby look gay too as 007, a bit like Liberace (who was a homosexual). :mrgreen:

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I think you've just insulted most of the population of Scotland!
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There's nothing offensive in saying someone looks gay. :mrgreen:
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bjmdds wrote:Fifty Shades Of GarbageImageroduction Budget: $40 million...........so far it grossed worldwide:$410,648,000............treat a woman like junk, and look at the profit margin :!: Why does Broccoli emasculate Bond?
As someone said on Twitter, it's only considered romantic because the guy is a millionaire. If he lived in a trailer, it'd be an episode of Law & Order: SVU.
Last week there was a group of women buying tickets to 50 shades . I don't even want to describe them.
No matter how unbond the series get at least it has not sunk to the level of 50 shades to make money.
I don't know the books but from what I've seen creepy doesn't cover it. I'm not big on all the pc stuff this movie makes me wonder what happened to all those feminists who hate bond so much. 50 shades will probably ruin some real peoples lives where bond gave strong sexy women we knew were just in the movies.




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Kingsman held on to second . $153 million worldwide. Hope it keep going. Even as it is now its successful as a r movie


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The Sweeney wrote:
Atticus wrote: Anyway, there's no need for you to throw a hissy fit in your response. Pull yourself together. No one's here to make war with you.
:lol:

I think you need to calm down mate. I've been on here a lot longer than you have, I'm one of the original members, and although I've had an opposing view to everyone else here on Craig, I haven't made war with anyone here...yet!
Atticus wrote: You're the guy who brought this upon yourself by raising this topic and then showing you're intolerant of other views.
Like I said, I've been on here a lot longer than you, and been very tolerant of other views. I'm basically a fan of Craig as 007, and have shared many a heated debate, and have many friends on here, and never once been banned, regardless of my viewpoint. What does that tell you, Einstein.... :lol:
Atticus wrote: I wasn't even responding to you directly. I just started commenting on the things that came to mind as I saw the photos above. As the old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words, and Craig's mug shots speak volumes, revealing all the problems with him in the role. But unfortunately for you, you absolutely make no sense. The Connery photo, which you seem to have a disturbing obsession with, doesn't show him with crags.
Disturbing obsession.... :lol:
Maybe you do too, over Craig. You seem to be getting far more worked up over him than I was over Connery in DAF. I'm actually a Connery fan, believe it or not. GF and FRWL are in my top 5.
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Sure, he's older in that photo, and overweight, and has touches of grey at the temples, but he's not severely withered-looking with crags like Craig. None of that on my HD screen. Zilch, nada. And yet by you're admittance Craig was already craggy all the way back in CR. By the time we see him in Skyfall, he looked even worse, forcing the filmmakers to address the whole ageing thing in the story. For Spectre, they're desperately avoiding the look he had Skyfall, even getting him to have longer hair (or plopping a piece of rug to thicken what he has left) and casting a 50-year old Monica Belucci to ease or compliment Craig's decrepit face. Moreover, Craig in that ski photo looks gaunt, a withered old man. He has more lines on his forehead than Connery has in the DAF photo. Craig simply didn't look that way in CR. And that's him layered with massive amounts of makeup. Yet, with all that professional makeup, he still looks craggy. If you look closely, there are lines around his mouth, which I don't see in the Connery mug. Here's what's even more disturbing, and this will require some cognitive exercises: the guy's not even 50 but he already looks 70, by your acknowledgement. In other words, he's a biological wreck. By contrast, Connery didn't even look 70 in DAF. He just looked like a middle-age guy. Putting aside comparisons to other actors, how in hell is Craig ageing well when he looks 70 before he's even 50? It tells us he wasn't even ageing nicely before he got the part, and in the span of 10 years he degraded big time, forcing a PR controversy within the studio, as suggested by the flurry of reports about studio heads wanting Craig to have plastic surgery.
Wow! I just posted a couple of comparison photos of Connery, and then I read this detailed analysis from you. You must have really studied Craig from every conceivable angle. And you think I have a disturbed obsession.... :happy spin:
Atticus wrote:
At this stage, let's put this all into context so you don't throw another hissy fit:
Is that what you are having right now.... :P
Atticus wrote:
remember, this is just me explicating why I believe Craig has aged the worst. As for this topic not being relevant to Craig's suitably for the role...um, actually it is relevant, but you just don't realize it in your self-importance. The reality factor tells us the rationale for recasting the part back in 2005 was to reboot the series with a younger actor so Eon could pursue the bullsh**t origin story angle. Yet, by your admission, Craig was already craggy back then, inadvertently implying he was miscast for that approach. So your comments self-destruct at so many levels, unless it didn't matter to you because your only intention all along was to feel a tad more precious in this forum by taking a stance that's different from the rest of the members. If that's the case, then you're a flaming narcisist. This not a condemnation of you, just me thinking out loud based on the bizarre way you've handled yourself. Let's end this with Mazer Rackham's witty comment above: "Plenty of cash goes into making [Craig] appear less decrepit. . . . You simply wouldn't believe the sorcerers on staff at these places."
Careful pal. I've already explained I've been a member on here from Day One, and always had an opposing viewpoint to everyone else, and managed to get on with everyone else in the process. You're a new recruit on here, with only a handful of posts to your name, so you are excused. You probably didn't realise I am the one forum member with an opposing viewpoint, but still managed to remain friends with just about everyone here.

Why don't you calm down and chill. We are all Bond fans at the end of the day... :yay:
Yeah, yeah, yeah...here you are now trying to salvage yourself because your ego got spanked. So you're trying to switch things around and basically reiterating what I said to you. You're a cliche, pal. Besides, you're the guy who came swinging the bat at me, so to speak, suggesting I was delusional. As I said, I didn't even direct anything at you. I was just commenting on the photos as things to came to mind. And here you are trying to revive it again, when I told at the end of my post to put this aside. Why you have such a bizarre obsession with this topic is very disturbing. Something is amiss with you to be so obsessed with the looks of these actors as they age. You can't just let it go. Don't go around doing that. Be a man and fess up to the fact that you had a useless poorly thought-out idea. Have some dignity and some respect for this forum. As you said, at the end of day, we're fans here and let's leave it that. Don't go around trying to perpetuate this because I don't give a hoot how long you've been here.
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Kristatos wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Fifty Shades Of GarbageImageroduction Budget: $40 million...........so far it grossed worldwide:$410,648,000............treat a woman like junk, and look at the profit margin :!: Why does Broccoli emasculate Bond?
As someone said on Twitter, it's only considered romantic because the guy is a millionaire. If he lived in a trailer, it'd be an episode of Law & Order: SVU.
That's very true. Why is it deemed 'romance' when it's a billionaire but degradation to women when it's an average Joe acting this way?
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FormerBondFan wrote:And Babs needs to be removed from her position with Mikey's kids to take her place.
She will never relinquish control to her relatives and let them call the shots;however, MGW's son is gaining more traction in the production phase of the films.
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Kristatos wrote:
bjmdds wrote:Fifty Shades Of GarbageImageroduction Budget: $40 million...........so far it grossed worldwide:$410,648,000............treat a woman like junk, and look at the profit margin :!: Why does Broccoli emasculate Bond?
As someone said on Twitter, it's only considered romantic because the guy is a millionaire. If he lived in a trailer, it'd be an episode of Law & Order: SVU.
Last week there was a group of women buying tickets to 50 shades . I don't even want to describe them.
No matter how unbond the series get at least it has not sunk to the level of 50 shades to make money.
I don't know the books but from what I've seen creepy doesn't cover it. I'm not big on all the pc stuff this movie makes me wonder what happened to all those feminists who hate bond so much. 50 shades will probably ruin some real peoples lives where bond gave strong sexy women we knew were just in the movies.




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Where are the so-called feminists big O decrying this trash as anti-woman? Their silence is deafening :!: Can you imagine the mindset of millions of women standing on long lines and paying top dollar to see a film where the leading lady is treated like an object of S & M, and the film supposedly is terrible to boot? :shock: Where is the feminist outrage to rap degradation of women as well? I bet the feminist women would find this video more objectionable than Fifty Shades Of Gruesome :!: [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBIC8JTQMMQ[/video]
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FormerBondFan wrote:And Babs needs to be removed from her position with Mikey's kids to take her place.
She will never relinquish control to her relatives and let them call the shots;however, MGW's son is gaining more traction in the production phase of the films.
As long as Babs stays on as producer, there's no point of hoping for the traditional classic tall and dark-haired Bond to return. She gave the last classic Bond (who is the first after the Cold War) an unfair treatment so she might as cast anybody or anything as Bond.
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Neil Patrick Harris is putting the world to sleep as Oscar host. Dreadful. :down: :^o):
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bjmdds wrote:Neil Patrick Harris is putting the world to sleep as Oscar host. Dreadful. :down: :^o):
I stopped watching the Oscars the day SF was nominated.
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