The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[The Sweeney]

Your buddy,and the Python's(Stocks),Jack Wade, at MI6 called me a "pathetic" and "useless" "troll" for commenting that this list omitted an important film. I ask you both, is that called for and does it not reinforce what a pathetic forum site MI6 has truly become?

More worrying is that QOS doesn't even appear on Yahoo Movies' most searched for top 20 for fall 2008 movies

There has been no hype yet for QOS, which is not released until the end of the year. Right now the focus is on films out for the summer (Indy 4, Dark Knight, etc.)

You can bet your bottom dollar that once more news is leaked about QOS towards summer, those lists will change. I thought this would be obvious to everyone here.

I mean really. Really!! Is anyone really taking these sites seriously....

Totally disagree with your analysis. What was that media frenzied press conference a few weeks back to discuss the naming of Bond 22? Star Trek has NO hype and is showing stronger interest on these sites as well, and will be released 1 1/2 months AFTER QOS with Craig. There is definitely LESS 'Craig as Bond hysteria' this time around Sweeney.

Wait until November bj. Wait until November, that's all I'm saying. One of us will be proved right, and one of us will be proved wrong. I hope for your sake its not you again for a second time round.....

[The Sweeney]

Just to make you all feel better, here are a few which QOS has been added. I guess bj couldn't find those.....

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/opinio ... f-2008.php

http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/10/15/55- ... s-of-2008/

http://entertainment.aol.co.uk/film/the ... 2309990001

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_in_film

http://www.firstshowing.net/2007/12/18/ ... or-movies/

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... &offset=84

http://movies.aol.com/movie-photo/best-movies-2008

http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/fea ... 09,00.html

Your own post speaks volumes Sweeney. The very first one has QOS BEHIND Sex and The City, Hellboy II, and Star Trek which comes out AFTER QOS. Good work. You showed a very relevant point. The Bourne Mimicry was not even ranked in the top 10!

You still don't get it bj. This will have no bearing on the BO come November. I don't know why you think otherwise. If people had believed your theories before CR's release, we wouldn't even be seeing Craig as Bond for a second film. You were so sure he would only do one, and that would flop miserably. Now here we go again with more dejavu.

QOS will be even BIGGER than CR. I guarantee it.....!!!

[stockslivevan]

Star Trek has NO hype and is showing stronger interest on these sites as well, and will be released 1 1/2 months AFTER QOS with Craig. There is definitely LESS 'Craig as Bond hysteria' this time around Sweeney.

BJ, you're really underestimating the vast numbers of Star Trek fans, whom are more likely to be found on the internet than James Bond fans.

Besides, internet hype doesn't really mean much. Remember Snakes on a Plane? Lots of internet hype, very little BO. I wouldn't be surprised if Star Trek ended up being more illegally downloaded than selling tickets in this day and age.

[stockslivevan]

You still don't get it bj. This will have no bearing on the BO come November. I don't know why you think otherwise. If people had believed your theories before CR's release, we wouldn't even be seeing Craig as Bond for a second film. You were so sure he would only do one, and that would flop miserably. Now here we go again with more dejavu.

QOS will be even BIGGER than CR. I guarantee it.....!!!

Exactly. BJ once again tries to look for anything negative in his view even if that is irrelevant and bloat it up like it means something. When Bond isn't on the list, he'll point it out. When it is on the list he'll look further and point out one film ahead of it. I'm getting dejavu too Sweeney! BJ's moving the goal post everytime it is obliterated!

[English Agent]

Forget the lists..........yes i like to see my favourite films or characters on them, but it doesn't always happen.

We all know that come November, the masses will leave their houses to go and see QOS!

Its early days yet...........but when the Bond conference was held recently, even the TV stations were hyping up a QOS vs Harry Potter battle at the BO for the end of this year!!!

btw: CR outgrossed the last Harry Potter instalment in the UK.............quite some feat, considering that HP has a wider audience spectrum than Bond, which includes the masses of little people.

EA

[bjmdds]

The UK loves DC as JB, that is a fact. The question will be outside of the UK, and in the USA.

[stockslivevan]

I agree, let's delude ourselves and narrow our thoughts on CR and Craig's success so it won't look as successful as it really was despite the fact that even in the US the film performed on par with the average Brosnan Bond film. Ignore the critics, they all got bought out by EON to give it praise, even though we have no proof of that. Ah yes, let's continue to compare it to the family film Happy Feet's success! Ah, the boycott prevails!

[English Agent]

The UK loves DC as JB, that is a fact. The question will be outside of the UK, and in the USA.

The fact i was trying to put across is that Bond is NOW doing at least as well in the UK as HP...........also remember HP is a home grown
creation, and the HP films always have huge openings in the UK.

HP films have not done less than $249 mil in the US, whereas Bonds best
is $167 mil, so there is quite a gap there. Also HP is hugely popular in Japan.

True i dont expect Bond to do better business than the next HP film........
but i DO expect the gap in the worldwide grosses to be closer than they have been in the past.

EA

ps: 'BJ' have you noticed that your thread has now been viewed by more than 117,000 people, since your intial post?

[bjmdds]

EA:Yes I have and it is proof that this forum site does matter, in fact, I do not believe there is a Bond thread ANYWHERE on the internet that has attracted as much debate, and I am glad for that, and it's intelligent, cordial, discussion.

[bjmdds]

I agree, let's delude ourselves and narrow our thoughts on CR and Craig's success so it won't look as successful as it really was despite the fact that even in the US the film performed on par with the average Brosnan Bond film. Ignore the critics, they all got bought out by EON to give it praise, even though we have no proof of that. Ah yes, let's continue to compare it to the family film Happy Feet's success! Ah, the boycott prevails!

This time it will be Madagascar II that will be it's direct head to head competition before Mr. Potter and his gang take over two short weekends later. Question Stocks: any chance, in your opinion,that QOS(TBM) tops TBU's opening weekend in the USA, or even CR's? Go out on a limb an predict it.

[English Agent]

I agree, let's delude ourselves and narrow our thoughts on CR and Craig's success so it won't look as successful as it really was despite the fact that even in the US the film performed on par with the average Brosnan Bond film. Ignore the critics, they all got bought out by EON to give it praise, even though we have no proof of that. Ah yes, let's continue to compare it to the family film Happy Feet's success! Ah, the boycott prevails!

This time it will be Madagascar II that will be it's direct head to head competition before Mr. Potter and his gang take over two short weekends later. Question Stocks: any chance, in your opinion,that QOS(TBM) tops TBU's opening weekend in the USA, or even CR's? Go out on a limb an predict it.

I know you have pointed this question to 'Stocks.......', but i believe QOS
will open to between $45-55 mil in North America, the higher end of this figure would be a very good opening for Bond.
In its entire run i would guess between $175-200 mil.

EA

[Skywalker]

'BJ' have you noticed that your thread has now been viewed by more than 117,000 people, since your intial post?

Erhhh 'Brain', I believe you meant to say it has been viewed over 117.000 times.

[English Agent]

'BJ' have you noticed that your thread has now been viewed by more than 117,000 people, since your intial post?

Erhhh 'Brain', I believe you meant to say it has been viewed over 117.000 times.

Oh yes...........u r correct!!

[stockslivevan]

I agree, let's delude ourselves and narrow our thoughts on CR and Craig's success so it won't look as successful as it really was despite the fact that even in the US the film performed on par with the average Brosnan Bond film. Ignore the critics, they all got bought out by EON to give it praise, even though we have no proof of that. Ah yes, let's continue to compare it to the family film Happy Feet's success! Ah, the boycott prevails!

This time it will be Madagascar II that will be it's direct head to head competition before Mr. Potter and his gang take over two short weekends later. Question Stocks: any chance, in your opinion,that QOS(TBM) tops TBU's opening weekend in the USA, or even CR's? Go out on a limb an predict it.

BJ, Madagascar II is a children's film, don't use it as a way to say "why can't CR do this?" because that was a family film and Bond is not part of that genre. Family films make more money thanks to parents taking their children with them. It's not fair to compare the success of a children's film against a genre that features sex and violence.

Here's an important fact for you BJ. When was the last time Bond reached as far as TBU when you put inflation into account in the US? If you adjust inflation, a James Bond film hasn't broke the $200 million barrier since You Only Live Twice and that was FOURTY YEARS AGO. So when you say Casino Royale and Craig fail to reach up to Bounre, you're also saying that every Bond film after 1967 failed to make those numbers.

Imagine if QOS makes $207 million dollars. That's 20 million less than TBU. Will you be posting a bunch of stuff about how QOS failed to make as much as Bourne? Because if you do, you'd be ignoring the fact that Bond hasn't made that kind of feat since 1967, right at the end of Bondmania, which is still bigger than anything that came out afterwards.

So if it makes such numbers, will you still keep spinning QOS's success into a failure? Acknowledge that it was surprisingly successful? Or will you ignore it all entirely and use the routine "the world has gone mad" approach?

[Skywalker]

Oh yes...........u r correct!!

Not for the first time and it won't be the last.

[bjmdds]

I agree, let's delude ourselves and narrow our thoughts on CR and Craig's success so it won't look as successful as it really was despite the fact that even in the US the film performed on par with the average Brosnan Bond film. Ignore the critics, they all got bought out by EON to give it praise, even though we have no proof of that. Ah yes, let's continue to compare it to the family film Happy Feet's success! Ah, the boycott prevails!

This time it will be Madagascar II that will be it's direct head to head competition before Mr. Potter and his gang take over two short weekends later. Question Stocks: any chance, in your opinion,that QOS(TBM) tops TBU's opening weekend in the USA, or even CR's? Go out on a limb an predict it.

BJ, Madagascar II is a children's film, don't use it as a way to say "why can't CR do this?" because that was a family film and Bond is not part of that genre. Family films make more money thanks to parents taking their children with them. It's not fair to compare the success of a children's film against a genre that features sex and violence.

Here's an important fact for you BJ. When was the last time Bond reached as far as TBU when you put inflation into account in the US? If you adjust inflation, a James Bond film hasn't broke the $200 million barrier since You Only Live Twice and that was FOURTY YEARS AGO. So when you say Casino Royale and Craig fail to reach up to Bounre, you're also saying that every Bond film after 1967 failed to make those numbers.

Imagine if QOS makes $207 million dollars. That's 20 million less than TBU. Will you be posting a bunch of stuff about how QOS failed to make as much as Bourne? Because if you do, you'd be ignoring the fact that Bond hasn't made that kind of feat since 1967, right at the end of Bondmania, which is still bigger than anything that came out afterwards.

So if it makes such numbers, will you still keep spinning QOS's success into a failure? Acknowledge that it was surprisingly successful? Or will you ignore it all entirely and use the routine "the world has gone mad" approach?

You concede that it will not do TBU numbers in the USA then. If QOS does $207 million in the USA it would be a stunning achievement, but it will be hard pressed to top CR, or DAD for that matter:the buzz is over for Craig, compared to 2006.

[The Sweeney]

the buzz is over for Craig, compared to 2006.

Come on bj. The buzz has not even started yet. The Bond film is still 10 months away....

And with regards 2006, the `buzz' around Craig was hardly positive. Everyone from all quarters was slating him, and the negative buzz surrounding Craig made you (and a few others) think Craig's tenure as Bond would be over almost immediately because of it. So much for that buzz!

You make it sound like 2006 was a year filled with Craig lovers, hailing him as the best thing since Connery. This did not happen until the film came out. Before then the jury was out, and the press had it in for him.

The fact that people worldwide have now accepted Craig as Bond means we are not going through that negative `buzz' this time round.

[bjmdds]

Craig now has 'worldwide' acceptance If QOS does what you predict, you will be correct. If however, QOS' plot does not equal the 'negative buzz hype' of CR, you will be proven wrong. It takes more than swinging on vines and getting over heartbreak to win people over as Bond.

[English Agent]

Craig now has 'worldwide' acceptance If QOS does what you predict, you will be correct. If however, QOS' plot does not equal the 'negative buzz hype' of CR, you will be proven wrong. It takes more than swinging on vines and getting over heartbreak to win people over as Bond.

'BJ'.............apart from the fact that there will be legions of Bond fans seeing QOS whatever the film is like...................there will be a huge number of cinema goers, who saw CR who will be going to see the film to see how the story set up in CR continues!!

EA

[English Agent]

I know its early days..............but see the link below for some early behind the scenes footage of QOS.

EA

http://movies.aol.com/movie/quantum-of- ... -1/2067725