Casino Royale not a blockbuster in the United States

TheManWithNoName · Post by **TheManWithNoName** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:02 am

Harvey Wallbanger wrote:Look it these arguments can go back and forth. DAD was the biggest Bond movie -in recent history.
It spoke to the popularity of Brosnan's Bond. -The second best Bond to Connery for many. And beloved -Don't piss on the fans who loved him.
But it also cuts the other way. If Brosnan was popular with the BO as proof, then Craig can be called popular.

28% is a big drop -nearly 10%- from a previously reliable audience.
CR would have been $700 million, if the US audience would have shown up.

The world audience is lumped in to one figure and the world market in 2006 is bigger.

Last time I checked Thunderball is the most selling Bond film of all time...

TheManWithNoName · Post by **TheManWithNoName** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:07 am

carl stromberg wrote:
I suppose Brosnan would've made a better film, and grossed more money...or anyone apart from Daniel Craig.
They probably would. CR is still behind DAD in the US.

Do you not agree the non-US response to CR has been surprising?

I'm not surprised, mainly because Bond films have never preformed that well in the United States anyways; they seem to do better world wide. But to say Casino Royale is behind DAD is a joke.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id ... herday.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=jamesbond21.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises ... esbond.htm

As you can see, Casino Royale is the most selling Bond film in the United States; but as I said in my previous post, the US Box office only takes up about 29% of the franchise.

And that's without inflation. Of course, another fair way of judging the success of each Bond film is by the amount of tickets it's sold.

BondFan007 · Post by **BondFan007** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:11 am

We'll see how much Craig does next time judging on his first film isn't fair, Craig's first film did better than GoldenEye's first in the US, with inflation.

TheManWithNoName · Post by **TheManWithNoName** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:26 am

BondFan007 wrote:We'll see how much Craig does next time judging on his first film isn't fair, Craig's first film did better than GoldenEye's first in the US, with inflation.

If his Bond films continue to make 591 million world wide, then he'll surpass Connery as the most selling Bond of all time.

BondFan007 · Post by **BondFan007** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:46 am

TheManWithNoName wrote:
BondFan007 wrote:We'll see how much Craig does next time judging on his first film isn't fair, Craig's first film did better than GoldenEye's first in the US, with inflation.
If his Bond films continue to make 591 million world wide, then he'll surpass Connery as the most selling Bond of all time.

Your forgetting inflation, with inflation Thunderball made about $1 billion on it's own, Goldfinger about $850 million, cinema numbers aren't what they were in the 60s.

Still, Royale's the best selling since Live and Let Die, and GoldenEye was the best selling since Moonraker.

BondFan007 · Post by **BondFan007** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:50 am

Harvey Wallbanger wrote:DAD was the biggest Bond movie -in recent history.

GoldenEye was the biggest in recent history before Royale.

TheManWithNoName · Post by **TheManWithNoName** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:51 am

BondFan007 wrote:
Harvey Wallbanger wrote:DAD was the biggest Bond movie -in recent history.
GoldenEye was the biggest in recent history before Royale.

Ya'll are both wrong, Thunderball is the biggest Bond film of all time; beating that one will be no easy task.

TheManWithNoName · Post by **TheManWithNoName** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:53 am

BondFan007 wrote:
TheManWithNoName wrote:
BondFan007 wrote:We'll see how much Craig does next time judging on his first film isn't fair, Craig's first film did better than GoldenEye's first in the US, with inflation.
If his Bond films continue to make 591 million world wide, then he'll surpass Connery as the most selling Bond of all time.
Your forgetting inflation, with inflation Thunderball made about $1 billion on it's own, Goldfinger about $850 million, cinema numbers aren't what they were in the 60s.

Still, Royale's the best selling since Live and Let Die, and GoldenEye was the best selling since Moonraker.

Well if you look at the ticket admissions for each Bond films, the most selling Bond films are:
Thunderball
Goldfinger
From Russia, With Love
Live and Let Die
Casino Royale
Moonraker
The Spy Who Loved Me
You Only Live Twice

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:02 am

Not that I'm disputing those films, but do you have a link to where you found those figures?
Nothing really surprising there though.

TheManWithNoName · Post by **TheManWithNoName** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:05 am

Captain Nash wrote:Not that I'm disputing those films, but do you have a link to where you found those figures?
Nothing really surprising there though.

But of course

http://k1bond007.shackspace.com/James%2 ... ssions.png

ID · Post by ID » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:38 am

Back on topic, my point was that CR made about $60 million less in the UK than it did in the US. The US has four or five times the population of the UK. Therefore CR did fufil its potential to be a blockbuster ($200 million plus) in the US. Huge ad campaign by sony, no Lord Of the Rings around, no Harry Potter, no Narnia, no Titanic etc.

TheManWithNoName · Post by **TheManWithNoName** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:44 am

ID wrote:Back on topic, my point was that CR made about $60 million less in the UK than it did in the US. The US has four or five times the population of the UK. Therefore CR did fufil its potential to be a blockbuster ($200 million plus) in the US. Huge ad campaign by sony, no Lord Of the Rings around, no Harry Potter, no Narnia, no Titanic etc.

No it didn't. This is the most sucessfull film in the UK, i'd suggest you get your facts straight first.

Read here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Roy ... Box_office

Again, why can't some of you guys just accept this is a hit?

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:52 am

TheManWithNoName wrote:
ID wrote:Back on topic, my point was that CR made about $60 million less in the UK than it did in the US. The US has four or five times the population of the UK. Therefore CR did fufil its potential to be a blockbuster ($200 million plus) in the US. Huge ad campaign by sony, no Lord Of the Rings around, no Harry Potter, no Narnia, no Titanic etc.
No it didn't. This is the most sucessfull film in the UK, i'd suggest you get your facts straight first.

Read here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Roy ... Box_office

Again, why can't some of you guys just accept this is a hit?

I wonder if this argument will continue for years to come?

A look into the future.
Anti-Craigers- "No it wasn't a hit. Happy Feet made more in the US and Daniel Craig has blonde hair and is not suitable to play James Bond."
Rest of the world - "Get over it. No one cares anymore."

ID · Post by ID » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:52 am

I think you've failed to understand my point which is based around the suprising proximity of BO figures for CR in the US and UK when one considers the difference in population. But please don't let me spoil your fun. Keep saying the same thing over and over again. We all loved Brosnan and can't contemplate life without him. Blah, blah...

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:00 pm

ID wrote:We all loved Brosnan and can't contemplate life without him.

Well at least you admit it.
Now there's a first.

ID · Post by ID » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:09 pm

I go to bed with a picture of the Brozza under my pillow.

BondFan007 · Post by **BondFan007** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:10 pm

TheManWithNoName wrote:
BondFan007 wrote:
Harvey Wallbanger wrote:DAD was the biggest Bond movie -in recent history.
GoldenEye was the biggest in recent history before Royale.
Ya'll are both wrong, Thunderball is the biggest Bond film of all time; beating that one will be no easy task.

We're talking recent history.

GoldenEye was the biggest film since Moonraker
Casino Royale is the biggest since Live and Let Die.

BondFan007 · Post by **BondFan007** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:11 pm

ID wrote:I go to bed with a picture of the Brozza under my pillow.

Oh god, he's become like "the Hoff", and that's not a good thing!

Harvey Wallbanger · Post by **Harvey Wallbanger** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:57 am

BondFan007 wrote:
TheManWithNoName wrote:
BondFan007 wrote:
Harvey Wallbanger wrote:DAD was the biggest Bond movie -in recent history.
GoldenEye was the biggest in recent history before Royale.
Ya'll are both wrong, Thunderball is the biggest Bond film of all time; beating that one will be no easy task.
We're talking recent history.

GoldenEye was the biggest film since Moonraker
Casino Royale is the biggest since Live and Let Die.

Recent as in the last moive - bond 20- you know DAD-

BondFan007 · Post by **BondFan007** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:38 am

Recent as in the last moive

so in 1994, Licence to Kill was the biggest film in "recent history", because it was the last movie?

Oh come on, if "recent history" means the last film, of cause it's going to be the biggest "in recent history".