Was Die Another Day that bad?

[carl stromberg]

Don't worry BondFan007, the DVD will be out in a few weeks and you can watch the film again so you back up your arguments!

What has Daniel Craig's rather cheesy and cliched brusque scene looking in the mirror with his top off after being beaten up got to do with Die Another Day!

God only knows what a hash Brosnan would've made of this scene [the famous looking in the mirror scene].

Pierce Brosnan has his shortcomings as an actor: but I think he could handle looking in a mirror with his top off after being beaten up with a drink for a few seconds.

[BondFan007]

Don't worry BondFan007, the DVD will be out in a few weeks and you can watch the film again so you back up your arguments!

Well, lucky I got the Region 3 DVD isn't it.

[ID]

The drink-wobbling moment was definitely after the fight with the goons on the stairs. This should be reasonably clear to anyone who watched the film.

Daniel Craig will present the Oscar for best drink-wobbling scene in a motion picture tonight.

[Captain Nash]

The drink-wobbling moment was definitely after the fight with the goons on the stairs. This should be reasonably clear to anyone who watched the film.

Daniel Craig will present the Oscar for best drink-wobbling scene in a motion picture tonight.

As should the wobbly after being poisioned scene as seen in the screencap provided by BondFan007.
As for Brosnan playing the scene. I'm sure he'd have given it his usual Pierce in Pain look.
CLICKY

And James, when did I say anything about the shower scene. May I suggest you try reading the posts in full in future.

[BondFan007]

As for Brosnan playing the scene. I'm sure he'd have given it his usual Pierce in Pain look.
CLICKY

Love it!

[Jedi007]

As should the wobbly after being poisioned scene as seen in the screencap provided by BondFan007.
As for Brosnan playing the scene. I'm sure he'd have given it his usual Pierce in Pain look.
CLICKY

At least Brosnan tries to look to be in pain unlike Craig who looks like he's in pain all the time... no, just joking.

Brosnan tries to brought his own into the Bond role, like Craig, like all the actors who portrayed Bond. He tries his Bond to be more human, at the same time, suave and super. But we know what happened.

Connery was the one who brought the film definition of Bond until he ended up with what will be Moore's Bond. Lazenby was the ultra-macho Bond but he was the most human of them all. Dalton was faithful to the cinematic version as well as Fleming's novel version (he was my top fav Bond).

As for DAD, I don't like when people talk about it as if it were the worst Bond film, as if it were the only Bond film Brosnan made, and as if it the one who defines Brosnan's entire Bond run. DAD was supposed to celebrate the Bond film franchise 40th year anniversary, and it was supposed to be fun. But if you would like to take it seriously, the best serious scene in the film was in the start, up until the Ice Palace scene where everything ended in a mess.

If Craig was to survive, they should have a good writer/director team like Haggis and Campbell. Brosnan would not suffer if they have done that in the first place.

[Harvey Wallbanger]

DAD was a good Bond movie. There were parts I didn’t like -but it was a fun movie.
The highlight for me was the opening torture. Brosnan nailed it. His acting from the opening scene to the escape -and the return to London were some of his best.

Before the next tidal wave begins to rip on PB -really watch DAD again. DAD is attacked because of the Craig controversy. It is easy to blame PB for it -or his fans as the case may be. The reason there was a controversy is the producers –the worst handled new actor introduction of all the Bonds. Lucky for DC someone was hired to handle the PR before the movie hit – must have been because I dont believe the producers had a clue how to deal with it.

The parts in DAD I don't like were the directors and producers decisions.

[The Sweeney]

The parts in DAD I don't like were the directors and producers decisions.

This I agree with. I never did blame Brosnan for DAD being so bad. If anything, he was always vocal about wanting more character based scripts, and I think he personally was probably not very happy with the outcome of DAD. Maybe this was why he was bitter with the producers afterwards.

[carl stromberg]

I think that is why Barbara Broccoli did not like Brosnan that much (apart from him wanting $50 million for his next film or something ).Brosnan was always vocal about wanting to change Bond and bring in some new writers and directors; this must have annoyed Broccoli. And as The Sweeney said, when they hired Daniel Craig and made an effort to do something new, Brosnan must have been a bit annoyed.

Did Purvis and Wade really do a good job with CR? They had the Casino Royale source material and tacked on some by the numbers action scenes and lots of their trademark cheesy dialogue. What will they come up with next time with no novel to fall back on?

[paco chaos]

i enjoyed DAD as a popcorn flick. not much substance, but it had some decent moments. granted i think it went way over the top, but I don't think it's the worst film in the series. and I don't find Brosnan to blame at all for any of the bad decisions Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson have made since taking control of the franchise. just wait, Daniel Craig will have his issues with the Broccoli family as soon as he asks for more money, or more control with the scripts. sure they made strides to take Casino Royale in different directions, but now that it's made money, they will start a whole new set of limitations with the Bond character.

[Kristatos]

The parts in DAD I don't like were the directors and producers decisions.

Yeah, I don't blame Craig for everything I didn't like in CR, either. Even if EON had cast an actor who actually looked like Bond, I still would have had a beef with some of their creative decisions.

[Captain Nash]

Die Another Day did well when it came out. The critics liked it. But now, after the bitter arguments over Casino Royale, some people seem to rubbish it on every occasion and it has overtaken Moonraker as the film that lots of people say they love to hate.

Was it as bad as some people say?

After a recent viewing I have to say.
Yes it was.
In the words of the comic book guy in The Simpsons.
"Worst Bond film ever!"

[Kristatos]

After a recent viewing I have to say.
Yes it was.
In the words of the comic book guy in The Simpsons.
"Worst Bond film ever!"

Moonraker still holds that title for me, followed by Octopussy.

[Captain Nash]

After a recent viewing I have to say.
Yes it was.
In the words of the comic book guy in The Simpsons.
"Worst Bond film ever!"

Moonraker still holds that title for me, followed by Octopussy.

Each to there own. MR is not the best of Bond films, but it does get alot more flack than it deserves. It has top notch production value. A decent cast, beautiful locales, excellent special effects that still hold up well. Other than a too ott story for a Bond film it really isn't a bad film. OP, well that's just you I think. Not the best Bond film, but beats anything that Pierce did for me.

[Kristatos]

Other than a too ott story for a Bond film it really isn't a bad film. OP, well that's just you I think. Not the best Bond film, but beats anything that Pierce did for me.

Both those films went too far with the humour for me. Moonraker turned Jaws into Wile E. Coyote (and don't get me started on his romance with Dolly) while OP had the Tarzan yell and Bond telling a tiger to "sit", a la Barbara Woodhouse. The Bond films have always had humour, but they are not supposed to be comedies (I could also add the use of slide whistles in TMWTGG and the otherwise more serious FYEO to my hit list). I also thought the Star Wars-style blasters in MR were wrong for a Bond film. Even the invisible car in DAD is defensible, in that it was based on existing technology (a "chameleon" tank being developed by the US military that is covered with tiny video screens interspersed with fibre-optic cameras that broadcasts an image of what the cameras pick up, thus allowing it to blend in with its surroundings). Laser guns belong firmly in the realm of science-fantasy.

[Robert Stirling]

Since I started browsing materials in English about Bond in the internet I've been wondering if it's something wrong with me.
The films nearly hated by others usually hold high positions in my personal ranking.

The model example is DAD. While many of you regard it as the worst Bond film ever, I place it in my top10. And try as I might I can't understand what was that bad in it.
As for the most common accusations: invisible car was based on existing technology, which was in detail explained by Kristatos, the scene where Bond stops his heart by recollecting the tortures is unrealistic but not more than defibrillator scene in CR.

The plot is interesting and contributes to modern problems and challanges (i.e. genetic engineering, usage of solar power, still existing comunist regimes like in North Korea, Cuba or China).
The idea of Bond being captured was long overdue and the torture sequence is in my opinion one of the best in franchise history. Brosnan's performance was simply great there.
The films has also fast action, spectacular actions scenes (e.g fencing between Bond and Graves, Jinx's jump off the cliff), beautiful girls, amusing dialogues, larger than life villain, memorable henchman. What more do you want?

Of course film has it's flaws like overuse of CGI for instance, but for me they don't spoil the general very positive impression.

[Kristatos]

Of course film has it's flaws like overuse of CGI for instance

A flaw shared by much modern cinema, sadly.

[Skywalker]

After a recent viewing I have to say.
Yes it was.
In the words of the comic book guy in The Simpsons.
"Worst Bond film ever!"

Moonraker still holds that title for me, followed by Octopussy.

Each to there own. MR is not the best of Bond films, but it does get alot more flack than it deserves. It has top notch production value. A decent cast, beautiful locales, excellent special effects that still hold up well. Other than a too ott story for a Bond film it really isn't a bad film. OP, well that's just you I think. Not the best Bond film, but beats anything that Pierce did for me.

Agreed Nash. Well put.

[Blowfeld]

Since I started browsing materials in English about Bond in the internet I've been wondering if it's something wrong with me.
The films nearly hated by others usually hold high positions in my personal ranking.

The model example is DAD. While many of you regard it as the worst Bond film ever, I place it in my top10. And try as I might I can't understand what was that bad in it.
As for the most common accusations: invisible car was based on existing technology, which was in detail explained by Kristatos, the scene where Bond stops his heart by recollecting the tortures is unrealistic but not more than defibrillator scene in CR.

The plot is interesting and contributes to modern problems and challanges (i.e. genetic engineering, usage of solar power, still existing comunist regimes like in North Korea, Cuba or China).
The idea of Bond being captured was long overdue and the torture sequence is in my opinion one of the best in franchise history. Brosnan's performance was simply great there.
The films has also fast action, spectacular actions scenes (e.g fencing between Bond and Graves, Jinx's jump off the cliff), beautiful girls, amusing dialogues, larger than life villain, memorable henchman. What more do you want?

Of course film has it's flaws like overuse of CGI for instance, but for me they don't spoil the general very positive impression.

Die Another Day is not widely hated, that it ever was regarded as such is a misnomer that became a popular talking point after Eon stared trashing Pierce Brosnan and the previous 007 movies. A Channel 5 poll of favorite blockbusters Die Another Day was the only 007 movie to make the list, IMHO remarkable accomplishment for 4 years after it release, not even the most recent Harry Potter film made the cut.
DAD #39 out of 40.
http://www.channel5.com/programmes/grea ... wn/?list=1

Blockbusters
From spotty dogs to sinking ships, these are the 40 all-time greatest blockbuster movies as voted for by you.
1.Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring
2.Gladiator
3.Star Wars
4.Et The Extra Terrestrial
5.Pirates Of The Caribbean: Curse Of The Black Pearl
6.Grease
7.Jaws
8.American Beauty
9.One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
10.Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
11.Independence Day
12.Billy Elliot
13.Titanic
14.Saving Private Ryan
15.The Full Monty
16.Finding Nemo
17.Harry Potter And The Philospher's Stone
18.Jurassic Park
19.Oceans Eleven
20.Shrek 2
21.Mission Impossible
22.The Matrix Reloaded
23.Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me
24.Calender Girls
25.Monsters Inc.
26.Bruce Almighty
27.American Pie 2
28.The Lion King
29.I, Robot
30.Robin Hood Prince Of Thieves
31.Chicken Run
32.Spiderman
33.Saturday Night Fever
34.X-men 2
35.Minority Report
36.Hannibal
37.Superman
38.Babe
39.Die Another Day
40.101 Dalmations

[Captain Nash]

Maybe a poll that asks which is better DAD or CR would be a better way to find out what the general public think?
Of course to be fair Bond fans wouldn't be able to vote.