Bond 22 Admissions

[Captain Nash]

That's a good point Skywalker has made there.
Judging the film on its own, and because of your own reasons. Not to gain some face on an internet forum.
But then there are those who really do like or dislike films and can't be swayed one way or the other. That's not kissing ass, it's there opinion.
As for the performance of Bond 22, who knows yet?
The old crystal ball is about as useful as a chocolate teapot as far as I'm concerned.
I would say going on the general widespread appreciation of Craig in CR (not everyone I know, before you shoot me down) that he has made a good base to make a successful follow up with Bond 22. But there is also the 'it's a Bond film' stigma to go with it, that will also put many many bums on seats.
If it does fail, as Blowfeld said, he'd like to read the excuses of the pro-Craig members. Well I'll just trudge through the many pages of this forum and reverse the argument. That should do the trick.

[English Agent]

One point all you guys are missing is this:-

BO is very important, not in the sense of a films quality, but filmmaking
is a big risky business.
Some people here seem to wish that future Bonds with DC are going
to do poorly at the BO, hopefully in the event that the producers would change actor to recover the situation..............but the more likely event
could be the termination of the franchise, then everyone would lose out.

In 1989 LTK made a measly $34mil at the US boxoffice, which was not even enough to cover the budget, fortunately the international take was
decent enough to make the film turn in a profit..........but despite this and
the studios troubles it nearly ended for Bond when Broccoli tried to sell the
franchise.

Basically what i'am saying is dont hope for poor BO for Bond 22, as it
could be the last Bond!

[Skywalker]

One point all you guys are missing is this:-

BO is very important, not in the sense of a films quality, but filmmaking
is a big risky business.
Some people here seem to wish that future Bonds with DC are going
to do poorly at the BO, hopefully in the event that the producers would change actor to recover the situation..............but the more likely event
could be the termination of the franchise, then everyone would lose out.

In 1989 LTK made a measly $34mil at the US boxoffice, which was not even enough to cover the budget, fortunately the international take was
decent enough to make the film turn in a profit..........but despite this and
the studios troubles it nearly ended for Bond when Broccoli tried to sell the
franchise.

Basically what i'am saying is dont hope for poor BO for Bond 22, as it
could be the last Bond!

I think the franchise is bigger than the BO receipts from one Bond movie, as proved with your example of LTK.

If the BO figures are low for Bond 22, then pressure will mount on EON to either change the current style of the Bond movies or possibly replace the current 007 actor. However, if the BO figures are high or at least match the ones achieved with CR, then EON has a success story on its hands and their decision making will be vindicated.

BTW welcome to the forum.

[Kristatos]

In 1989 LTK made a measly $34mil at the US boxoffice, which was not even enough to cover the budget, fortunately the international take was
decent enough to make the film turn in a profit..........but despite this and
the studios troubles it nearly ended for Bond when Broccoli tried to sell the
franchise.

Basically what i'am saying is dont hope for poor BO for Bond 22, as it
could be the last Bond!

I think the legal wrangles over the rights to Bond had more to do with the 6-year absence than LTK's box office receipts. EON was planning to make a third Dalton film, The Property of a Lady, which would have been much more in a Roger Moore vein, with Bond in Hong Kong fighting a robot assassin, but (thankfully?) studio troubles prevented it from being made.

[Count_Lippe]

...with Bond in Hong Kong fighting a robot assassin, but (thankfully?) studio troubles prevented it from being made.

Sounds cool!

Now Bond himself is a robot assassin instead

[Kristatos]

...with Bond in Hong Kong fighting a robot assassin, but (thankfully?) studio troubles prevented it from being made.

Sounds cool!

Sounds way to sci-fi, even for me. I have the same problem with a humanoid robot as I do with the Star Wars-style blasters in Moonraker. The technology to create such things is way in the future. Even the much-reviled invisible car was based on existing technology. What was that quote from Cubby about the Bond films stretching the limits of plausibility, but not possibility? I like a bit of sci-fi in my Bond, but Bond vs. The Terminator is taking it too far. What's next, Daleks?

[English Agent]

Getting back on subject!!

I thought you guys (particularly the anti DC's) might like to know what the North American ADMISSIONS for BOND 21 were:-

Die Another Day

Total: 27,062,000 admissions of which 25,872,726 were to the end of 2002.

Casino Royale

Final figure not available until the end of 2007, but to the end of 2006
the figure was 23,655,693 admissions.

Now considering that both films had a similar run from their openings to
the end of their respective release years then DAD had more than 2.2
million extra admissions than CR.
However CR had a stronger theatrical run, and therefore would of pulled
the gap back during early 2007, but i expect its total admissions would
be around 24-25 million, therefore similar to the admissions to earlier
PB Bonds in the North American market.
One side note CR did very well in Canada (the smaller part of the North
American film market).

In Europe however CR had an advantage of over 6 million admissions
over DAD by the end of 2006.

It will be very important to see how Bond 22 does in the US.
Personally i think it will pull in more punters than CR.

It seems that Sony have made a smart move by releasing the film
slightly earlier in November, this will give the film at least a week to have the majority of the market to itself before the other studios launch their
blockbusters just before thanksgiving (such as Harry Potter Again!).

As 'James' mentioned in an earlier post i think the studios made a wise choice in the 90's from moving the release date of the Bond movies from
Summer to Autumn.

Bond is popular in the US, but i don't think it would fare well against the
popular American blockbuster franchises such as 'Spiderman', 'Pirates' etc.

LTK in 1989 was unfortunately ignored by Americans, who rather than watch a more serious Bond, flocked instead to the happy buddy action film
Lethal Weapon 2.

AB

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

Was the Dalton robot third movie set in stone, or was it just an idea?

[The Sweeney]

Yes I do.I think Bond 22 will open to a 70-80million opening weekend.I also think that Bond 22 total gross will be around 800million.The tide is with Craig and IMO I think his second Bond movie will be the highest grossing Bond film of all time surpassing Thunderball´s gross adjusting inflation of course.I also predict that Craig will be hailed by all as the greatest Bond by all.Any1 thinking that Bond 22 will Bomb are dillusional,stupid and are in need of Professional help....Come On bring on Bond 22

Bizarre. I hope my mate CM007 doesn't mind me quoting him on this from MI6, but I thought it relevant for here.

This is from a person who was one of the most anti-Craiger's on the internet. He despised the direction CR was heading before its release, and hated the casting of Craig as Bond. He was staunch allies with my old buddy, Gravity Silhouette.

Once he saw the film, he had the guts to admit his initial opinions were wrong and came out and openly admitted he thought Craig was brilliant in the role - something he never would have believed prior to its release.

I was as shocked as anyone when he admitted this, after reading countless posts from him slagging off Craig over the past year (some of his posts were so anti, it made you lot on here seem like massive Craig fans!)

And now he is predicting this for 22. And no, he wasn't actually being sarcastic with this post here.

[Kristatos]

And now he is predicting this for 22. And no, he wasn't actually being sarcastic with this post here.

Are you sure about that? Seems way over the top, like one of Kal-El Extreme's absurd overpredictions at Box Office Mojo (Kal-El is a forum poster who has a habit of making wildly improbable predictions of a film's opening weekend/total gross and then posting "what went wrong?" threads when they, inevitably, fail to meet his predicted totals).

[carl stromberg]

Are you suggesting, Mr Sweeney, that because CM007 did a U-turn and now says he loves Craig's Bond, that I should do the same?

Strangely enough, I'm not pretending to hate Craig's Bond!

[The Sweeney]

And now he is predicting this for 22. And no, he wasn't actually being sarcastic with this post here.

Are you sure about that? Seems way over the top, like one of Kal-El Extreme's absurd overpredictions at Box Office Mojo (Kal-El is a forum poster who has a habit of making wildly improbable predictions of a film's opening weekend/total gross and then posting "what went wrong?" threads when they, inevitably, fail to meet his predicted totals).

That's what I thought first too, knowing CM007 of old, but no, he was being serious.

http://www.mi6forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=38504&start=15

This guy is quite well informed with his facts and statistics too, so this is not something he would say on a whim.

[The Sweeney]

Are you suggesting, Mr Sweeney, that because CM007 did a U-turn and now says he loves Craig's Bond, that I should do the same?

Strangely enough, I'm not pretending to hate Craig's Bond!

Not at all. Just thought I'd share it with you all, the same way you guys share negative reviews of Craig.

[bjmdds]

Yes I do.I think Bond 22 will open to a 70-80million opening weekend.I also think that Bond 22 total gross will be around 800million.The tide is with Craig and IMO I think his second Bond movie will be the highest grossing Bond film of all time surpassing Thunderball´s gross adjusting inflation of course.I also predict that Craig will be hailed by all as the greatest Bond by all.Any1 thinking that Bond 22 will Bomb are dillusional,stupid and are in need of Professional help....Come On bring on Bond 22

Bizarre. I hope my mate CM007 doesn't mind me quoting him on this from MI6, but I thought it relevant for here.

This is from a person who was one of the most anti-Craiger's on the internet. He despised the direction CR was heading before its release, and hated the casting of Craig as Bond. He was staunch allies with my old buddy, Gravity Silhouette.

Once he saw the film, he had the guts to admit his initial opinions were wrong and came out and openly admitted he thought Craig was brilliant in the role - something he never would have believed prior to its release.

I was as shocked as anyone when he admitted this, after reading countless posts from him slagging off Craig over the past year (some of his posts were so anti, it made you lot on here seem like massive Craig fans!)

And now he is predicting this for 22. And no, he wasn't actually being sarcastic with this post here.

GS also turned and accepts Craig with open arms and finds contrary views suddenly useless! Surprising, coming from someone who was ridden out of town on MI6 due to his anti-Craig posts. I am surprised he did not return to the MI6 forums after his conversion to hob-knob with his fellow Craig supporters. As for CM007, I am not 100% sure about his 'turn', having recently pm'd with him about this very matter. Look at YOLT as well. A person can change their mind's, that is fine;however, to do a 180' shift lends one to believe they could be 'shills for the house', and that address might be Eon. Subjectivity is one thing, but total reversal is another. Think about that Sweeney. Here I would believe there is TRUE conviction by it's members, on both sides of the fence. The more I see that goes on at MI6 and Cb.net, the more I question them.

[The Sweeney]

Yes I do.I think Bond 22 will open to a 70-80million opening weekend.I also think that Bond 22 total gross will be around 800million.The tide is with Craig and IMO I think his second Bond movie will be the highest grossing Bond film of all time surpassing Thunderball´s gross adjusting inflation of course.I also predict that Craig will be hailed by all as the greatest Bond by all.Any1 thinking that Bond 22 will Bomb are dillusional,stupid and are in need of Professional help....Come On bring on Bond 22

Bizarre. I hope my mate CM007 doesn't mind me quoting him on this from MI6, but I thought it relevant for here.

This is from a person who was one of the most anti-Craiger's on the internet. He despised the direction CR was heading before its release, and hated the casting of Craig as Bond. He was staunch allies with my old buddy, Gravity Silhouette.

Once he saw the film, he had the guts to admit his initial opinions were wrong and came out and openly admitted he thought Craig was brilliant in the role - something he never would have believed prior to its release.

I was as shocked as anyone when he admitted this, after reading countless posts from him slagging off Craig over the past year (some of his posts were so anti, it made you lot on here seem like massive Craig fans!)

And now he is predicting this for 22. And no, he wasn't actually being sarcastic with this post here.

GS also turned and accepts Craig with open arms and finds contrary views suddenly useless! Surprising, coming from someone who was ridden out of town on MI6 due to his anti-Craig posts. I am surprised he did not return to the MI6 forums after his conversion to hob-knob with his fellow Craig supporters. As for CM007, I am not 100% sure about his 'turn', having recently pm'd with him about this very matter. Look at YOLT as well. A person can change their mind's, that is fine;however, to do a 180' shift lends one to believe they could be 'shills for the house', and that address might be Eon. Subjectivity is one thing, but total reversal is another. Think about that Sweeney. Here I would believe there is TRUE conviction by it's members, on both sides of the fence. The more I see that goes on at MI6 and Cb.net, the more I question them.

People can change their opinions once seeing the film for themselves. CM and GS both belong in this camp, along with many on AJB. I don't have a problem with this at all.

[Kristatos]

This guy is quite well informed with his facts and statistics too, so this is not something he would say on a whim.

Well, I checked the US opening weekends for previous Bond films and in the modern (Brosnan/Craig) era they are all in the range of $35-55 million in adjusted dollars, so $70-80 million seems like quite a stretch. CR had a $40 million opening weekend, so he's basically talking about doubling that. I know that "nothing is impossible, only highly improbable" but still....

[stockslivevan]

I once doubted that CR would top DAD's record. With the enormous positive reaction from the overall crowd, I think Bond 22 will be benefiting from CR's success.

[Kristatos]

I once doubted that CR would top DAD's record. With the enormous positive reaction from the overall crowd, I think Bond 22 will be benefiting from CR's success.

CR didn't top DAD's record in North America, which is what I assume we're talking about here. Having said that, I think it's possible that The Bourne Mimicry may top CR's American opening weekend total, but I think $45-50 million is a more likely figure than $70-80 million.

[bjmdds]

I once doubted that CR would top DAD's record. With the enormous positive reaction from the overall crowd, I think Bond 22 will be benefiting from CR's success.

CR didn't top DAD's record in North America, which is what I assume we're talking about here. Having said that, I think it's possible that The Bourne Mimicry may top CR's American opening weekend total, but I think $45-50 million is a more likely figure than $70-80 million.

$80 million for an opening weekend in November 2008 in the USA? IF The Bourne Mimicry does not top CR's $40 million opening weekend in the USA, with ticket prices then 5% higher, it would spell trouble for Eon. The thought of $69 million by The Bourne Ultimatum opening weekend in the USA in August was awesome, and to pass that would be extremely difficult, if not improbable, to do.

[English Agent]

..........Interesting post there by CM007!

But, i dont think those figures he quoted will be reached by Bond 22!!

Unless the film does mega business in the North American market.

Having tracked the PB Bond movies from 1995-2002, a few BO patterns
could be observed.

Generally BOND in that era had an audience of between 23-27
million admissions in the US and Canada, and the increase in opening
weekends was more due to the increased ticket prices than extra bums
on seats.
With each subsequent Bond film i expected a noticeably bigger opening weekend due to the popularity of PB as BOND, but this never really happened. Yes, the openings were bigger than previous films, but not
big enough to make the films blockbusters.

CR's opening in the US was perhaps its only less than spectacular BO
figure in its entire worldwide run.
Though the film started off some $7 million behind DAD on comparison,
by the second week in the US, CR was tracking at the same level as DAD,
and by the third week was grossing more than its predecessor and eventually finished by turning a $7 mil dollar loss into a $7 mil dollar gain.

Though, in admissions terms CR had a lower turnout than DAD, 23 mil* as
opposed to around 27 mil for DAD.

*Note: CR's admissions are for upto 31st Dec 2006 only (...as 2007 aint over yet!)

CR's slightly less than mega opening in the US i believe was due to the fact that there wasn't a huge appeal to the audience over there of this relatively unknown British actor.

However, i do expect Bond 22 to open larger in the US than its predecessors, but not by much.........

I'd say $50-55 mil opening could be expected (anything more would be very good indeed), as the public over there are now aware of DC, and
with the positive critical acclaim of CR and that the fact that Bond 22 is
going to continue the story from CR, then there should be a willing audience to see the film, which would not only include the usual Bond
film fans, but new Bond film fans who warmed to the reboot.
Plus the fact, that Bond 22 has an easier weekend to open at, with less
threatening competition like CR had with those flippin Penquins!! (which
this site made a big deal of at the time.........silly people!!)

Overall though, i would expect a BO total of between $175-200 in the US.

In regards the worlds Bond super-power....ie the UK................unless the
film is a dud (which we dont expect!) then Bond 22 should do stellar
business........another possible $100 mil plus total, with an opening of
around $30 mil should be easily attainable.

Internationally, a useful BO increase, including the UK a possible $450+ mil.

Perhaps a worldwide figure of around $650 mil sounds reasonable, but to
reach $900 mil is a bit of a target........to reach that sort of level, Bond 22
would have to have a massive increase in its North American market, and
going by the admission figures posted for Bond films of the last 40 years, seems very improbable. There would have to be a massive renewed
interest in the franchise for that to happen............but Bond is not a new fad now!!

I mean CR would have to more than double its US admissions to reach that figure.

For reference the highest admission figures ever attained by a Bond film
in the North American market were for 'Thunderball' during Bondmania
around 1965-1966. The film had a massive attendance of around 58.1 million *, which at the time was nearly a third of the population (quite
some feat).

* The true admission figure for TB has been of some controversy, as for years many Bond sources quoted TB's admission figure in the US as a staggering 74.8 mil, but this has recently been rounded down to the figure i have quoted above........for the simple reason that taking into account
that the average ticket price at the time was a little over $1 then the figures didn't add upto TB's gross of over $63+ mil.

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