Which film is more important to the franchise: GE or CR?

[Terry]

Connery did not play Bond like a confused social inadequate. Although working class, Connery did not look like some weatherbeaten Ukrainian farmer.

The most ludicrous aspect of CR was the proposition that 38 year-old Daniel Craig (who looked older than a 45 year-old Roger Moore did in LALD) was a young reckless operative. If you want to make a Bond Begins movie cast a young actor -- or at least a more youthful looking 38 year-old!

[Mazer Rackham]

GE was very important if went belly up Tomorrow never dies would have been called off and the series would have hibernated.

[Sir Dennis Hodge]

GoldenEye relaunched James Bond after a big gap. It did not need a relaunch after Did Another Day.

Casino Royale may be the entry that spelt the end of the James Bond franchise because of the many changes that were made.

[mcbride007]

GoldenEye relaunched James Bond after a big gap. It did not need a relaunch after Did Another Day.

Casino Royale may be the entry that spelt the end of the James Bond franchise because of the many changes that were made.

Casino Royale as it was the first one I did not like.

[English Agent]

GoldenEye relaunched James Bond after a big gap. It did not need a relaunch after Did Another Day.

Casino Royale may be the entry that spelt the end of the James Bond franchise because of the many changes that were made.

Casino Royale as it was the first one I did not like.

Both GE and CR were equally important films:-

Firstly due to the absense of Bond from the cinema screens for 6 years it was important that GE re-captured the interest in Bond.
It was a shame that some audiences aka North America didn't really take to Dalton, thinking that he was too serious and dour.
Anyway Campbell and Brosnan for GE in 1995 did a good job.

Secondly CR was important, as after DAD, audiences were dismayed at its silly plot and non-sensible gadgets (though i did personally quite like some of the film, particularly the first hour). But CR proved that the filmakers could make a more down to earth thriller, which was appreciated by the lifelong mature Bond audience.

[Kristatos]

Secondly CR was important, as after DAD, audiences were dismayed at its silly plot and non-sensible gadgets (

Is that why it became the most profitable Bond film in history? Don't get me wrong, I think pulling back and making a more grounded Bond film was the right thing to do after DAD from a creative point of view. The series has done it several times before (OHMSS, FYEO, TLD). But this idea that "everybody hated DAD" is one that only gained currency after CR came out, and is not borne out by the box office figures or DVD sales.

[English Agent]

Secondly CR was important, as after DAD, audiences were dismayed at its silly plot and non-sensible gadgets (

Is that why it became the most profitable Bond film in history? Don't get me wrong, I think pulling back and making a more grounded Bond film was the right thing to do after DAD from a creative point of view. The series has done it several times before (OHMSS, FYEO, TLD). But this idea that "everybody hated DAD" is one that only gained currency after CR came out, and is not borne out by the box office figures or DVD sales.

Oops....i thought some here might take my post the wrong way.....i wasn't trying to say people hated DAD, I was just saying that the storyline was a bit too fantastical for many. Even PB said that he wished he had been given better plots during his tenure as Bond.
Yes, the BO was good for DAD, it's just that after DAD a large majority of the Bond fans were looking for a grittier Bond film, and it doesn't have any reflection on the lead actor of the time.
Unfortunately many people on these discussion forums cannot separate their favorite actor to any criticism of their films they starred in, saying that so so, thought a film was bad, doesn't mean they are including the lead actor as well.
For example i think DC is good in the Bond role, but while i thought CR was very good, i thought QOS was a very dismal film!

Blimey

EA

[Captain Nash]

Unfortunately many people on these discussion forums cannot separate their favorite actor to any criticism of their films they starred in, saying that so so, thought a film was bad, doesn't mean they are including the lead actor as well.
For example i think DC is good in the Bond role, but while i thought CR was very good, i thought QOS was a very dismal film!

Blimey

EA

100% agree EA, CR was a good film, and Craig earned his praise for his debut.
QOS was a steaming pile of crap.

[bjmdds]

Wait for The Green Lantern and compare all 3 intros by Campbell.

[shaken not stirred]

GoldenEye revived the Cubby Broccoli Bond movie series. Casino Royale signalled the end of it with a modern interpretation of Bond - a classless, musclebound, everyman character that appeals to a new audience and that isn't really James Bond or related to the 20 movies of the Cubby Bond series.

This, craig's bond has all the charm, wit and dangerousness of a turnip, his so called I can't believe it's not bond films have put Me off this franchise, him, babs have done nothing but harm this once great franchise and ran it so far into the ground that it has no chance of ever being bond again with this guy still here and babs stupid addiction to cr-egg, this bonds so serious he's now developed that time of the month ie whenever he's on the screen he has the need to constantly hit or kick something.

Get rid of this bond and give us back the bond that made us enjoy the films along with most of the other elements....even bloody spidermans going down this route now...how gritty does society want to get....where's the fun gone?, exc ironman which combines both and makes a great entertaining funny film...why has hollywood suddenly got its finger up it's ass, if I want to see grit I'll look out on the road when it's snowing and wait for the gritters or look at cat litter.

[MichaelZWilliamson]

A wetwork specialist like Bond would probably be well into his 30s when recruited. This is because a certain military background and training is necessary, then he must be vetted for his non-assassin credentials and stability.

I think if you look back, Connery did a brilliant job of portraying Experienced Bond. Bond in the books I recall IS a sociopath, rather Spartan, and not comfortable with the creature comforts of diplomats. Connery's Bond has obviously studied exactly how to fake being a gentleman---the right wines, right temperatures, right poise, but it's all an act.

In that context, Craig worked for me as a rough "young" Bond, technically trained but not polished for the parlor. I think my biggest beef with CR was the lengthy love story, that could have been abbreviated and still gotten the point across. I blame Craig much less than the production and direction staff. Hopefully if they do another Bond film (QoS was at best a *filler and not a Bond film) Craig will start showing some of that poise and learned gentility.

GE was definitely worthy. I think the CR pullback was necessary after the kitten-rape of DAD. It wasn't quite as bad as MR, but it my eyes hurt from rolling when it was done.


*Look! Bond has just come from a mission in South America where he tracked his lover's killers. Okay on with the new movie (filler)

[carl stromberg]

A wetwork specialist like Bond would probably be well into his 30s when recruited. This is because a certain military background and training is necessary, then he must be vetted for his non-assassin credentials and stability.

I think if you look back, Connery did a brilliant job of portraying Experienced Bond. Bond in the books I recall IS a sociopath, rather Spartan, and not comfortable with the creature comforts of diplomats. Connery's Bond has obviously studied exactly how to fake being a gentleman---the right wines, right temperatures, right poise, but it's all an act.

In that context, Craig worked for me as a rough "young" Bond, technically trained but not polished for the parlor. I think my biggest beef with CR was the lengthy love story, that could have been abbreviated and still gotten the point across. I blame Craig much less than the production and direction staff. Hopefully if they do another Bond film (QoS was at best a *filler and not a Bond film) Craig will start showing some of that poise and learned gentility.

GE was definitely worthy. I think the CR pullback was necessary after the kitten-rape of DAD. It wasn't quite as bad as MR, but it my eyes hurt from rolling when it was done.


*Look! Bond has just come from a mission in South America where he tracked his lover's killers. Okay on with the new movie (filler)

I had to look up wetwork on Google. I thight it meant swimming, but it means assassination!

I think you may like Bond 23 Michael!

[Kristatos]

I had to look up wetwork on Google. I thight it meant swimming, but it means assassination!

Fleming's Bond wasn't really an assasination specialist, though. He had to do some as part of his job, but was never really happy about killing in cold blood.