The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[bjmdds]

"Weekend Report: 'Spider-Man' Swings High But Falls Short of Predecessors: The best way to judge the movie's success, though, is not to compare to different franchises, but instead to compare within the Spider-Man franchise. It did wind up close to the first Spider-Man's $144.2 million six-day start, though it was way off from Spider-Man 2 ($180.1 million) and Spider-Man 3 ($176.2 million)." boxofficemojo.

[A Crag-like face]

"Weekend Report: 'Spider-Man' Swings High But Falls Short of Predecessors: The best way to judge the movie's success, though, is not to compare to different franchises, but instead to compare within the Spider-Man franchise. It did wind up close to the first Spider-Man's $144.2 million six-day start, though it was way off from Spider-Man 2 ($180.1 million) and Spider-Man 3 ($176.2 million)." boxofficemojo.

I'm thinking we're seeing the beginning of the end of the reboot craze. At least, I sure hope so. Hollywood needs to get more creative ideas than just rehashing the same old plots over and over. Mind you, there was no more problem with recasting Spiderman than there is with recasting James Bond from time to time. But why'd they have to go and retell the same origin story 10 years after they told it the first time?

[bjmdds]

The first Spider-Man film was in 2002 with no Imax and no 3-D to prop up it's numbers. How about Ale's favorite hero Cavill as Superman in 2013? How many times can that be attempted? The last one was a disaster. Wait until the Lone Ranger bombs too

[FormerBondFan]

How about Ale's favorite hero Cavill as Superman in 2013? How many times can that be attempted? The last one was a disaster.

Better Supie reboot than another Batreboot.

[Alessandra]

Well, Superman NEEDED a reboot badly after what happened with Superman Returns.Misstep so they had to fix it. And, I could quote many good reviews for Spiderman... the movie has audiences completely divided: there are those who hated it and those who loved it. I have quite a few friends who are also critics who LOVED the movie. They all say it needs time to be digested... and I'm sorry but I do think that Andrew is a FAR better choice than chubby-faced Tobey to play Peter Parker. He sure looks like the Peter Parker I saw in cartoons and comics as a kid a LOT more than McGuire did. Like I said, I never thought McGuire was particularly good at Spiderman (or at anything else, I really don't find him to be a particularly good actor at all.). They should have picked James Franco as Spiderman instead of the evil guy. He had Spiderman looks and attitude... far more so than McGuire did. And I CANNOT STAND Kirsten Dunst. So the combination of Andrew as the lead plus Emma Stone is MUCH better for me. In any case, the movie is doing just fine at the box office, and that's all that matters to me.

Re: Craig and the option. That merely means the studio reserves the right to call him again. Or fire him. The option may or may not be picked up. It's the same thing as an option in the contract of an athlete: it may or may not be picked up by the team, AND the athlete also may just say "no". It's a two-way street.

I love how they think "it's Bond's anniversary so more people will go see the movie". Uhm, what? That's just a laughable approach. Most people won't have ANY idea that it is the anniversary until they see it printed on the billboards... and it's not like they'll say "oh it's the anniversary! So you know we must go see!" Sometimes I am just amazed by the level of stupid these people display in quotes (provided the quotes are accurate, which seen the source is all to be verified).

[Alessandra]

Speaking of, apparently Martin Campbell went on the record and told "The Express" that Henry Cavill could be Bond in the future and his story may repeat Pierce's. He said that he did a great test as Bond and everyone was very undecided about who to pick, as Daniel Craig showed up very tired for his screen test because he came from the US where he was filming. (Read: he looked like death as usual ). But, Campbell goes on, he then saw "Layer Cake" and overnight decided he wanted Craig. Except we all know, and from other Campbell quotes and from far more reputable sources, that was not the case at all Campbell wanted Henry and found himself with another actor, wasn't pleased about it at all, and the climate on set was FAR from good, with him not even pushing the actors to give their best (this from my friend who was in CR and was on set and knows the Broccolis).

These are the quotes from Campbell (I think the whole thing is strange because there is no interview there, no question and answer, there's just a bunch of stuff Campbell apparently said quoted)

“Henry did a great screen test for Bond. So did Daniel, although he arrived for his looking really tired after a night flight from America where he was finishing up a movie called The Invasion. None of us making the casting decision were 100 per cent sure. I needed a couple of days to think about it. Over that weekend I saw Daniel’s film Layer Cake and he showed such terrific charm in that that it convinced me he should get the part.

“Perhaps Henry Cavill was too young for it then, he was 22 at the time we auditioned for Casino Royale, but maybe he could still be James Bond in the future. After all, Pierce Brosnan did a great screen test only to eventually get the part years later.” (Pierce was offered the part in the Eighties but could not get released from his TV contract with Remington Steele so producers turned to Timothy Dalton).

Here is the link:
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/ ... ond-reborn

Regardless, substance doesn't change... Campbell going public saying Henry's story could be the same as Pierce, who did a terrific test and wasn't picked because Dalton was, but then became Bond later, is I think another piece of the whole Sony/MGM vs Eon public battle... The veggie keeps going on about Craig of course, except Sony and MGM aren't of the same idea at all. Now Campbell goes public saying Henry could be Bond in the future... it's just all adding up. I wouldn't mind Campbell directing Henry's first movie as Bond (ahhh how good this sounds!). He clearly holds him in high esteem, and he did great with Pierce's first, so... It better happen. And sooner rather than later.

There's more where he sings Craig's praises, saying he is such a terrific actor and he could pull off well the humorless Bond (Hahahah NO KIDDING! He doesn't even know what humour means! ) and that he wasn't worried that Craig wasn't internationally known as after all neither Sean Connery was when he started. (LOL at that, and I mean for real... knowing what went on on set and how dissatisfied he was with the choice) and then more where he talks about Pierce:

“Pierce was extraordinarily talented, at ease in the role and I had no worries about his performance. My biggest problem in preparing Goldeneye was trying to drag Bond into the Nineties. The press were all very negative about Bond and thought it was past its sell-by date. My first idea to modernise it was to have a female M and it was great to get someone as talented as Judi Dench to play the part.

“We needed a spectacular opening scene and I wrote and storyboarded that sequence where Bond jumps off the dam on a bungee cord.”

I'm unsure where exactly the quotes come from as it's clear it wasn't an interview, there's no question and answer... so all of this must be taken with a huge grain of salt, but still...

[Kristatos]

Here's Spidey's producers on the reasons for the reboot. If you can make any sense of it, you're a better man than I am.

[bjmdds]

They overestimated Sunday's Spiderman numbers by $3 million......it's final was $62 million for the weekend and $137 in 7 nights, Monday-Sunday.........Spider-man 3 did $151 million in just 3 days............Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $336,530,303 37.8%
+ Foreign: $554,341,323 62.2%
= Worldwide: $890,871,626 : Lower ticket prices in 2007, no IMAX nor 3-D gimmicks either.......Kirsten Dunst....OR.....Daniela Transvesta.......who does Ale despise more? That is what the world wants to know. I think Tobey's films were totally more enthusiastically received than this cream puff Garfield. No way Garfield comes close to Tobey's numbers, so why reboot it? Pascal is an idiot, which we already knew. Tank time for Garfield after next weekend. See ya What's Novac's problem lately? He's become a "Joke"-of-ic in the grand slam finals two straight now. Federer has not won a grand slam since 2009 and now jumps to number 1 with 1 major? "Craig and the option. That merely means the studio reserves the right to call him again. Or fire him. The option may or may not be picked up. It's the same thing as an option in the contract of an athlete: it may or may not be picked up by the team, AND the athlete also may just say "no". It's a two-way street." The right of first refusal is not an option for Eon to fire DC but an option of him to do the film if made or else HE can say no. The problem is there are ZERO projects this "obtuse lemon" is working on in the future so he will NEVER quit now. Are you 100% sure MGM can fire him now? Will they have to pay him not to do Bond 24 and then pay Cavill to do it as well? Eon=cheap. I don't see them paying two salaries for one Bond picture.

[bjmdds]

" Factoring in inflation (Spider-Man -- $196 million; Spider-Man 2 -- $229 million; third best six-day of all time, Spider-Man 3 -- $202 million) and the 3D ticket-price bump, The Amazing Spider-Man sold far fewer tickets than its predecessors over its first six days of release. Point being, the Sam Raimi trilogy set box office records, while The Amazing Spider-Man merely exists as another relatively large-scale blockbuster amid a sea of preordained blockbusters. It failed to come even close to the opening weekend/week totals of its predecessors."

[FormerBondFan]

BJ....please tell me if you're going to watch the Ice Age films (including the latest one) this week.

[Dr. No]

Pierce had a similar contract he was supposed to get a fifth everyone was promised it the only one who came back was Dench for whatever sense that makes. They made the movies faster back then so I'm not sure how practical certain number of movie contracts are today.

[Dr. No]

Here's Spidey's producers on the reasons for the reboot. If you can make any sense of it, you're a better man than I am.

Strangely as much as I hate spider-man 3 I wish a 4 had happened to redeem the series. There were stories about Sony deciding how spider-man 3 took shape and it wasn't the story the director wanted.

I like the spider-man movies but was not a big fan of Toby McG. His spidey had the same childish voice he normally talked with and the only time he came close a couple of time to spideys wit. I think the movies were so good it over came the weak casting of Toby.

I think the main failing of Spidey 3 was rushing too many villains like Venom. All too soon they had a fine build up to Doc Conners and maybe the vulture, but the rushed in to Venom because it was toy to be sold. Some people were talking a bout how this is more emotional spiderman did they see the first one 10 years ago how many times does a hero have to cry in the origins story?, did they see the second, the thrid maybe?

I don't like Doc Conners being a partner to Spideys father or from what the trailer looked like that research leading to Spidermans powers. Gewn stacy had a good story I had hoped the first series would have her in it (after all they used her death scene), MJ was always important but she knew he was spidey because she saw him us his powers from her house the night his uncle dies and it was important to the story later on.
I like the girl cast as stacy, MJ in the movie was too hot or too cold at times. I don't like garfield so far. The kids want to see it so I dunno, maybe. I'd rather rent it honestly.

[FormerBondFan]

I thought Bryce Dallas Howard was completely miscast as Gwen.

[Dr. No]

I thought Bryce Dallas Howard was completely miscast as Gwen.

Ron Howards daughter? She was ok, underused but ok

[bjmdds]

BJ....please tell me if you're going to watch the Ice Age films (including the latest one) this week.

Not to worry about 4 Ice Age films. It won't affect the collapse of Bond 23.

[FormerBondFan]

BJ....please tell me if you're going to watch the Ice Age films (including the latest one) this week.

Not to worry about 4 Ice Age films. It won't affect the collapse of Bond 23.

You missed point here, BJ. You and I both want the same thing: Bond 23 being kicked out of 2012's top 10 grossing films (both worldwide and here in the US). We need more animated films in the list. Ice Age 4 has only one weekend before the Bat comes in for the final match, and it needs enough money before then. Please, don't tell me if you're letting me do all the fun here.

[Kristatos]

BJ....please tell me if you're going to watch the Ice Age films (including the latest one) this week.

Not to worry about 4 Ice Age films. It won't affect the collapse of Bond 23.

You missed point here, BJ. You and I both want the same thing: Bond 23 being kicked out of 2012's top 10 grossing films (both worldwide and here in the US). We need more animated films in the list. Ice Age 4 has only one weekend before the Bat comes in for the final match, and it needs enough money before then. Please, don't tell me if you're letting me do all the fun here.

Not sure Ice Age will manage a top 10 position in the US and Canada year-end charts. They tend to do better internationally than they do in North America.

[FormerBondFan]

BJ....please tell me if you're going to watch the Ice Age films (including the latest one) this week.

Not to worry about 4 Ice Age films. It won't affect the collapse of Bond 23.

You missed point here, BJ. You and I both want the same thing: Bond 23 being kicked out of 2012's top 10 grossing films (both worldwide and here in the US). We need more animated films in the list. Ice Age 4 has only one weekend before the Bat comes in for the final match, and it needs enough money before then. Please, don't tell me if you're letting me do all the fun here.

Not sure Ice Age will manage a top 10 position in the US and Canada year-end charts. They tend to do better internationally than they do in North America.

As long as Ice Age 4 surpasses Bond 23's numbers in the US, I'm good. International wise, IA4 will surpass Bond 23 anyway.

[bjmdds]

Go get 'em FBF. Ice Age awaits Wallets ready?

[bjmdds]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118056405 Will this insanity in Hollywood never end? 'What's old is new' is the 21st century's motto for a film's inspiration? FBF, you were not born when these films aired. What are your thoughts? Also, GMA now rules over The Today Show, thanks to that creep Matt Lauer getting Ann Curry fired. I guess people are finally realizing what a $25 million weasel he is. http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118056399