The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[FormerBondFan]

MP and FBF. Movie tickets now in NYC have been raised to $14.00 for adults. What are the California prices as of today?

Tickets for the theater I usually go to cost $7.50 for the early bird showing. It was $7.00 before.

[tehmanis]

And you can stay assured I'm not gonna go public with figures that aren't accessible to the everyday person like you,

Nice respon Ale, anyone can posting like you did whenever they ACTUALLY don’t have any LEGITIMATE data to support their posting. Anyone can claim that they have legitimate sources and tell to the reader that they cannot give documents to everyone to access it. They also WANT their post readers believe it as a “FACT” simply because they said so. Nice, well put Ale.

who by the way didn't even BOTHER reading the article I attached,

I read the article your attachment, but doesn’t have any clue how much exactly how much QOS spending on marketing the film.

I will stay silent and accept the fact that those who actually KNOW the business are explaining to me how, based on how much the studios get of the box office gross

You can keep silent and keep any of your bul…hit facts and sources, as long as you can not give proof/proper supporting documents your word “fact” is absurd. the fact that you didn’t know how much the exact figures of QOS marketing expenses is make believe that you actually don’t have anything legitimate to support your claim.

I think is silly if anyone stated his/her post as “fact “but they cannot give proper documents.

Instead you're still going on? And questioning me? I don't need your approval, nor do I want the approval of someone who denies evidence even when their idol Craig throws it to their face.

This is a forum, and I believe everyone have right to ask to each other in this respected forum(am I right moderator?) who are you? Why you can not being asked by me in this forum? What make you so special? Are you the owner?

And btw I don’t inted to give you or anyone in here any approval, I’m just simply asking about details…if you can give it fine, if you don’t then you a liar who only write it as “fact” .

I don’t denies evidence from Craig, I just curious about the exact figures…which anyone in this forum cannot give…like I said before Craig (and any actors before him ) is not an accountant of the studios. I like him as an actor, doesn’t make me believe 100% anything he said outside the film. I appreciate actor because of their works and talents.

And the Harry Potter balance sheet is attached as photograph to the story from io9 that was linked here before. So clearly you don't read anything and don't pay attention to any detail or link, you just keep on going trying to trash talk others.

Hehee I read the Io9 btw Ale, can you give report like that for QOS????
What I want to know is not Harry porter, I just want to know where the figures you all claim as fact for actual figures for marketing expenses for QOS?? Anyone can help me???

[Alessandra]

You are calling me a liar because I don't give out information to YOU? That's a good one (and shows how rude and immature you are). I most certainly don't give out sensitive data on a forum, I will share that kind of thing with professionals or people I trust, and that most definitely doesn't include you. You still fail to understand the point of the article linked, if you understood what the article said, you'd know doing BASIC MATH that QoS booked a LOSS. There is no hiding from it. And it's a well-known fact in the business, but of course you refuse to admit it. It's something that your idol Craig also said, by the way. But, you being a fanboy, there's no reasoning. Not even when the info comes from the actor. You're just here to insult others. Once again, the fact I don't want to give out figures that are NOT accessible to the general public, not only doesn't make me a liar but it makes me a freaking professional. Sorry you don't have access, you most certainly won't get private data from me. Not now, or ever. And this said, goodbye, for good.

[bjmdds]

And you can stay assured I'm not gonna go public with figures that aren't accessible to the everyday person like you,

Nice respon Ale, anyone can posting like you did whenever they ACTUALLY don’t have any LEGITIMATE data to support their posting. Anyone can claim that they have legitimate sources and tell to the reader that they cannot give documents to everyone to access it. They also WANT their post readers believe it as a “FACT” simply because they said so. Nice, well put Ale.

who by the way didn't even BOTHER reading the article I attached,

I read the article your attachment, but doesn’t have any clue how much exactly how much QOS spending on marketing the film.

I will stay silent and accept the fact that those who actually KNOW the business are explaining to me how, based on how much the studios get of the box office gross

You can keep silent and keep any of your bul…hit facts and sources, as long as you can not give proof/proper supporting documents your word “fact” is absurd. the fact that you didn’t know how much the exact figures of QOS marketing expenses is make believe that you actually don’t have anything legitimate to support your claim.

I think is silly if anyone stated his/her post as “fact “but they cannot give proper documents.

Instead you're still going on? And questioning me? I don't need your approval, nor do I want the approval of someone who denies evidence even when their idol Craig throws it to their face.

This is a forum, and I believe everyone have right to ask to each other in this respected forum(am I right moderator?) who are you? Why you can not being asked by me in this forum? What make you so special? Are you the owner?

And btw I don’t inted to give you or anyone in here any approval, I’m just simply asking about details…if you can give it fine, if you don’t then you a liar who only write it as “fact” .

I don’t denies evidence from Craig, I just curious about the exact figures…which anyone in this forum cannot give…like I said before Craig (and any actors before him ) is not an accountant of the studios. I like him as an actor, doesn’t make me believe 100% anything he said outside the film. I appreciate actor because of their works and talents.

And the Harry Potter balance sheet is attached as photograph to the story from io9 that was linked here before. So clearly you don't read anything and don't pay attention to any detail or link, you just keep on going trying to trash talk others.

Hehee I read the Io9 btw Ale, can you give report like that for QOS????
What I want to know is not Harry porter, I just want to know where the figures you all claim as fact for actual figures for marketing expenses for QOS?? Anyone can help me???

I think da tyme has come to sey, heppy trails to yuuuuu, untils we meets agains.

[Omega]

Yep. The sad part is Sony and Craig are damned lairs too.

Whatever you wanna say about us you can't get past Craig and Sony telling you as a FACT how much the movie cost total.

If you're so smart how about disproving it we already proved our point.

[bjmdds]

'Dallas' premiere strikes it rich for TNT
by Lynette Rice
The premiere of Dallas — TNT’s reboot of the classic series — averaged 6.8 million viewers on Wednesday, making it the No. 1 scripted series premiere on all of cable so far this year.
TNT, as a result, was the No. 1 network among basic cable Wednesday. The show that stars Larry Hagman, Linda Gray, Jesse Metcalfe and Jordana Brewster lured 1.9 million adults 18-49 and 2.4 million adults 25-54. TNT's 'Dallas' Premiere Scores Just South (Fork) of 7 Million Viewers.
(I knew it would do good. It beat out regular programming on the major networks too Go Dallas )

[Alessandra]

I knew it would be a good primetime soap! I didn't watch it because there were shows I like far more on USA Network, Necessary Roughness especially. It's not the same kind of product, those are much more serious and well-written shows, this is just a soap, but regardless, a well-made primetime soap deserves public! I'm going to watch it later and I'll let you know what I think. Always up for Jesse Metcalfe and Patrick Duffy! But, I'm much more addicted to Marc Blucas and Mehcad Brooks on Necessary Roughness (not to mention the show is way more of a fit for me... sports-based show with good humour and a not over the top amount of drama. Perfect!). So Dallas will be an "I'll watch tomorrow" show for me Regardless, I'm glad it did well, I'm always glad when cable beats out network!

[katied]

I TiVoed Dallas but haven't gotten around to watching it yet.. am going to try and see Prometheus tomorrow!

[bjmdds]

More Depp drek: http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_sit ... ll_600.jpg It states that a $250 million budget, plus advertising costs, needs $800 million to break even. It confirms what our experts here said. Add $150 million to promote it plus the $250 million to make it, and the $800 million at the box office where the movie producers keep half, and you see the formula as fact. This film is already DOA and they know it. http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Lone-Ran ... 31406.html "Hi Yo Silver.......stay away " "By their estimates, the movie needs to make about $800 worldwide to make a profit, given the additional costs of marketing and also paying Depp, Verbinski and Bruckheimer a cut of the money."

[bjmdds]

This says it all for Bond 23: http://media.monstersandcritics.com/art ... _00680.jpg Ugly as sin as Bond, this facially quilled porcupine-like dolt.

[bjmdds]

http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/gossip ... 29.gallery It's not IF, but WHEN, it happens. Another Whitney/Winehouse seeking her fruition to end it all, right MP?

[Alessandra]

I just feel horrible for the Lohan girl. She is the result of awful parenting and a mother who exploited her. Self-destruction at its prime. So sad that such a young girl who had potential is throwing herself away like this.

The one who is NOT throwing himself away at all is our (hopefully) future Bond instead. Goodness gracious, I just about fainted with these:



THIS (well with longer hair, but still) is how Bond looks. THIS! Not blond, pale and ready to retire!

[bjmdds]

DALLAS - WHAT THE CRITICS SAID:
'No one expects Dallas to have the kind of reach now that it had three decades ago. But between old fans who will enjoy a revisit and young folks who never even heard of Miss Ellie, TNT is placing a sound bet.'
New York Daily News
The show's predictably melodramatic rhythms and telegraphed twists will be like nectar to those still pining for this old-school style of skullduggery.'
Seattle Post
'The writing is not there. Neither is the acting. And the plot – well, it’s not like that was a strong point of the original version anyway. But none of the elements is present, just soap bubbles and silliness. This is a remake that should never have been remade.'
Hollywood Reporter
'TNT'S version, which focuses on JR, Bobby and Sue Ellen Ewing, along with he next generation, is very much the heir of the CBS original, in spirit and execution.'
Los Angeles Times
'Resist if you want to, but whether you were a fan of the original series, or still in utero when it went off the air in 1991, TNT's Dallas will wear you down and pull you in with its mix of sex, intrigue, backstabbing, dirty dealing, blackmail and family secrets.'
San Francisco Chronicle

[FormerBondFan]

The one who is NOT throwing himself away at all is our (hopefully) future Bond instead. Goodness gracious, I just about fainted with these:



THIS (well with longer hair, but still) is how Bond looks. THIS! Not blond, pale and ready to retire!

For one moment, I thought it was Wentworth Miller.

[katied]

Yup. Lindsay Lohan is another Winehouse in the making. "Sleep deprived" my a$$.

[bjmdds]

Yup. Lindsay Lohan is another Winehouse in the making. "Sleep deprived" my a$$.

You know, that I know, that we all know, where this will end. I just hope she does not take innocent people with her. She belongs in jail for 5 years and sobered up, not making films in Hollywood or being enabled by her handlers. The end will be via an auto crash or a drug/alcohol overdose.

[Gala Brand]

And you can stay assured I'm not gonna go public with figures that aren't accessible to the everyday person like you,

Nice respon Ale, anyone can posting like you did whenever they ACTUALLY don’t have any LEGITIMATE data to support their posting. Anyone can claim that they have legitimate sources and tell to the reader that they cannot give documents to everyone to access it. They also WANT their post readers believe it as a “FACT” simply because they said so. Nice, well put Ale.

who by the way didn't even BOTHER reading the article I attached,

I read the article your attachment, but doesn’t have any clue how much exactly how much QOS spending on marketing the film.

I will stay silent and accept the fact that those who actually KNOW the business are explaining to me how, based on how much the studios get of the box office gross

You can keep silent and keep any of your bul…hit facts and sources, as long as you can not give proof/proper supporting documents your word “fact” is absurd. the fact that you didn’t know how much the exact figures of QOS marketing expenses is make believe that you actually don’t have anything legitimate to support your claim.

I think is silly if anyone stated his/her post as “fact “but they cannot give proper documents.

Instead you're still going on? And questioning me? I don't need your approval, nor do I want the approval of someone who denies evidence even when their idol Craig throws it to their face.

This is a forum, and I believe everyone have right to ask to each other in this respected forum(am I right moderator?) who are you? Why you can not being asked by me in this forum? What make you so special? Are you the owner?

And btw I don’t inted to give you or anyone in here any approval, I’m just simply asking about details…if you can give it fine, if you don’t then you a liar who only write it as “fact” .

I don’t denies evidence from Craig, I just curious about the exact figures…which anyone in this forum cannot give…like I said before Craig (and any actors before him ) is not an accountant of the studios. I like him as an actor, doesn’t make me believe 100% anything he said outside the film. I appreciate actor because of their works and talents.

And the Harry Potter balance sheet is attached as photograph to the story from io9 that was linked here before. So clearly you don't read anything and don't pay attention to any detail or link, you just keep on going trying to trash talk others.

Hehee I read the Io9 btw Ale, can you give report like that for QOS????
What I want to know is not Harry porter, I just want to know where the figures you all claim as fact for actual figures for marketing expenses for QOS?? Anyone can help me???

I think da tyme has come to sey, heppy trails to yuuuuu, untils we meets agains.

I don't particularly want to stick up for QOS because I thought it was a mediocre film. However, I thgink you're wrong on the financials. According to Wikipedia, QOS had a production cost of $200 million. Britain has a 20% tax credit for film expenditures in Britain. Obviously much of the expenditures were overseas, but the other countries involved probably had similar tax credits (or more). So after the credits you're looking at $160 million. Then there are the product placements. In Skyfall product placements are valued at $45 million. Let's say it was $30 million for QOS. So you're looking at $130 million out of pocket. I don't know where the $150 million marketing cost came from, but assuming it to be correct, you're looking at $280 million, which given the 1.75 ratio and a BO of about $600 million makes it a money maker.

But all this is irrelevant. One of the posters linked to an article stating that 80% of the revenue was "downstream" i.e. post BO. This is consistent with what I've read elsewhere. In the case of QOS this would suggest downstream revenue of $2.4 billion, making it a big money maker. Now this may be calculated over an infinite time horizon and you'd need to calculate the present discounted value to get an approximation of what that means in today's dollars, but no matter how you slice it, it's a ton of money.

[bjmdds]

QOS had $2.4 billion in total revenue?

[Omega]

I don't particularly want to stick up for QOS because I thought it was a mediocre film. However, I thgink you're wrong on the financials. According to Wikipedia, QOS had a production cost of $200 million. Britain has a 20% tax credit for film expenditures in Britain. Obviously much of the expenditures were overseas, but the other countries involved probably had similar tax credits (or more). So after the credits you're looking at $160 million. Then there are the product placements. In Skyfall product placements are valued at $45 million. Let's say it was $30 million for QOS. So you're looking at $130 million out of pocket. I don't know where the $150 million marketing cost came from, but assuming it to be correct, you're looking at $280 million, which given the 1.75 ratio and a BO of about $600 million makes it a money maker.

But all this is irrelevant. One of the posters linked to an article stating that 80% of the revenue was "downstream" i.e. post BO. This is consistent with what I've read elsewhere. In the case of QOS this would suggest downstream revenue of $2.4 billion, making it a big money maker. Now this may be calculated over an infinite time horizon and you'd need to calculate the present discounted value to get an approximation of what that means in today's dollars, but no matter how you slice it, it's a ton of money.

Except S O N Y said they spent over $400 million dollars to produce and market QOS. After whatever tax breaks they got.

Craig says it as well, where is the disconnect?

Is there a guy in the frigging grassy knoll I don't know about cause magic bullets are flying everywhere.

$2.4 billion? So MGM went bankrupt in 2009 why again? These movies make so much money man all those studios are crazy!!!!! One Bond movie made 2.4 billion!!! Those jive turkeys wouldn't bid $2 billion* for the whole f-ing studio! Some crazy suckas out there!

Time Warner has offered $1.5 billion to acquire the company, while rival bids from Lions Gate Entertainment Inc. and billionaire Len Blavatnik's Access Industries have come in below that, according to people familiar with the matter.

“This movie costs a lot of money to make, it costs as nearly as much again if not more to promote” – Craig

the combined marketing and development budgets for the film were estimated as high at $400 million.

[English Agent]

Your post was interesting 'gala brand' and informative, but when you got to the $2.4 billion bit............i think you made a miscalculation somewhere.