The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[A Crag-like face]

Brosnan as bond:
The best pain face in the franchise
The weakest actor in fighting scenes in the franchise
The best actor who know how to demand high salaries in the franchise and didn't get it

What is this bizarre "Brosnan Pain Face" statement? A pro-Craig member here called Stocksilvian - another Brosnan hater (although he was a big Brosnan fan and said Die Another Day was great when he first joined the old MI6 Forum) - always used to used it and I never had the faintest idea what he was going on about!!

Yeah, I did like DAD. I also liked Revenge of the Sith. Past tense. Like when Katied liked Daniel Craig as Bond and saw Casino Royale multiple times. Remember that? Though I never saw DAD beyond one viewing in the theater. Even I have my limits.

My pain face meme seems to have blown out of proportion though, being used as a major criticism of the Brosnan era by many Brosnan haters in other forums. I don't see it that way. It's a microcosm of his films, but I find it pretty funny to watch from time to time because it's so OTT, especially when accompanied by his heavy breathing. Brosnan hater? No, I don't hate the guy, but I do hate his latter three films, especially TWINE.

Ah, after Cubby died he was in the hands of incompetents.

Reminds me, where the hell are those other two movie the Wonder Twins owe Sony? There were three to four movies EON announced they were going to produce but nothing has happened. Are they holding off hoping Sony will go bankrupt first?

Probably the same place as all those "British made movies" EON is going to produce someday . . .

[katied]

Ah, yes, all of those movies that the Gruesome Twosome have in the works... whaddya wanna bet none of them ever happen?

[A Crag-like face]

Ah, yes, all of those movies that the Gruesome Twosome have in the works... whaddya wanna bet none of them ever happen?

MP, if your money was on none of those movies ever being made, I certainly wouldn't waste any of my money betting against you. If I want to flush money down a toilet, I'll go watch SF in November . . .

[stockslivevan]

Reminds me, where the hell are those other two movie the Wonder Twins owe Sony? There were three to four movies EON announced they were going to produce but nothing has happened. Are they holding off hoping Sony will go bankrupt first?

I assume they've been put on hold after the MGM financial issues came up and right now they're just focusing on getting SKYFALL in the air.

[stockslivevan]

The talk of beer "replacing" the martini I think is a bunch of hooey made up by the press! Bond has already drank beer anyway (more in the novels than movies) so I don't see any harm.

It's not a bunch of hooey. There are details of the contract out. And while Bond may have sipped drinks other than the Martini, he sure as hell never said that he doesn't give a d**n whether it's shaken or stirred and he sure as hell never REPLACED it with a beer. Which is what they are instead doing here. And it DOES matter, because this is James Bond, and not a random blue collar action dude.

It all depends on how this is handed and featured in the film. Heinekin have been an official sponsor before for Bond, so this is nothing new. If we see Bond swigging pints of the stuff at a bar, then yes it will tarnish the image of 007.

If however, its used in the context seen in QoS, where Bond orders a beer at the bar when meeting Felix, and has a couple of sips from the bottle for just one scene, I don't see anything wrong with that. Bond does occassionally drink beer in the books, I think Fleming's favourite for Bond was Millers High Life.

Yup. Wilson actually said that Bond will be having martinis in the film besides a Heineken, so there's no replacement act going on. There were also leaked photos showing Bond holding a bottle at a bar on a beach, which to me is an appropriate setting for Bond to have a bottle.

[A Crag-like face]

Brosnan as bond:
The best pain face in the franchise
The weakest actor in fighting scenes in the franchise
The best actor who know how to demand high salaries in the franchise and didn't get it

What is this bizarre "Brosnan Pain Face" statement? A pro-Craig member here called Stocksilvian - another Brosnan hater (although he was a big Brosnan fan and said Die Another Day was great when he first joined the old MI6 Forum) - always used to used it and I never had the faintest idea what he was going on about!!

It's like people complaining about Roger Moore's "fish face" when he kisses, or Sean Connery's toupee, or Timothy Dalton's hair in LTK, or George Lazenby's kilt. It's useful to pick on if you already don't like the actor, but it takes some pretty obsessive sense of exclusivity to focus only on that that aspect.

[stockslivevan]

Actually it's because I thought it was funny. Of all the problems I find in the Brosnan era, his pain face barely registers.

[katied]

Babs and Mike have grand ideas..just no f-ing idea how to put them in action. That's why the Bond franchise is in the cr@pper.

[A Crag-like face]

Babs and Mike have grand ideas..just no f-ing idea how to put them in action. That's why the Bond franchise is in the cr@pper.

They are poster children for the failure or monarchy and nepotism in general. Just because the father is good at something . . .

[katied]

They are poster children for the failure or monarchy and nepotism in general. Just because the father is good at something . . .

Exactly. Being the spawn of Cubby Broccoli accounts for very little.

[Omega]

Reminds me, where the hell are those other two movie the Wonder Twins owe Sony? There were three to four movies EON announced they were going to produce but nothing has happened. Are they holding off hoping Sony will go bankrupt first?

I assume they've been put on hold after the MGM financial issues came up and right now they're just focusing on getting SKYFALL in the air.

Why was Sony out of money too? How many people work at Eon?, genuinely curious because it seems to take everything they have to do one movie they've been in business for 50 years you'd think they have a big enough staff to do more than one movie every other year.

[stockslivevan]

Reminds me, where the hell are those other two movie the Wonder Twins owe Sony? There were three to four movies EON announced they were going to produce but nothing has happened. Are they holding off hoping Sony will go bankrupt first?

I assume they've been put on hold after the MGM financial issues came up and right now they're just focusing on getting SKYFALL in the air.

Why was Sony out of money too? How many people work at Eon?, genuinely curious because it seems to take everything they have to do one movie they've been in business for 50 years you'd think they have a big enough staff to do more than one movie every other year.

Heck if I know, ask them.

[Omega]

The talk of beer "replacing" the martini I think is a bunch of hooey made up by the press! Bond has already drank beer anyway (more in the novels than movies) so I don't see any harm.

It's not a bunch of hooey. There are details of the contract out. And while Bond may have sipped drinks other than the Martini, he sure as hell never said that he doesn't give a d**n whether it's shaken or stirred and he sure as hell never REPLACED it with a beer. Which is what they are instead doing here. And it DOES matter, because this is James Bond, and not a random blue collar action dude.

It all depends on how this is handed and featured in the film. Heinekin have been an official sponsor before for Bond, so this is nothing new. If we see Bond swigging pints of the stuff at a bar, then yes it will tarnish the image of 007.

If however, its used in the context seen in QoS, where Bond orders a beer at the bar when meeting Felix, and has a couple of sips from the bottle for just one scene, I don't see anything wrong with that. Bond does occassionally drink beer in the books, I think Fleming's favourite for Bond was Millers High Life.

Yup. Wilson actually said that Bond will be having martinis in the film besides a Heineken, so there's no replacement act going on. There were also leaked photos showing Bond holding a bottle at a bar on a beach, which to me is an appropriate setting for Bond to have a bottle.

Sure because there is one thing Bond does well, integrate products seamlessly.
But maybe they were forced to tone it down after everyone got upset be good thing you know do it subtly. For 45 million I'd don't know they can, the sponsors kind of expect the movie to center on the name tag, GPS, special feature, say the name. Maybe it better then advertising on Facebook maybe not.

[stockslivevan]

A bunch of bottles also appears in the background at a bar Bond sits by in Shanghai, so I assume its stuff like that. Like how EON did that deal with Coke Zero, and all that turned up about it in the flick was a bunch of Coke cans in the background at Greene's party.

[A Crag-like face]

Reminds me, where the hell are those other two movie the Wonder Twins owe Sony? There were three to four movies EON announced they were going to produce but nothing has happened. Are they holding off hoping Sony will go bankrupt first?

I assume they've been put on hold after the MGM financial issues came up and right now they're just focusing on getting SKYFALL in the air.

Why was Sony out of money too? How many people work at Eon?, genuinely curious because it seems to take everything they have to do one movie they've been in business for 50 years you'd think they have a big enough staff to do more than one movie every other year.

I'm sure that, like most such organizations, they have far more people running around tripping over each other now (with fancy but meaningless titles like "executive assistant to the vice president of corporate synergy") than they did back in the 1960s, when they were able to produce a Bond movie every year and two movies in 1963 (FRWL and Call Me Bwana).

[tehmanis]

Brosnan as bond:
The best pain face in the franchise
The weakest actor in fighting scenes in the franchise
The best actor who know how to demand high salaries in the franchise and didn't get it

What is this bizarre "Brosnan Pain Face" statement? A pro-Craig member here called Stocksilvian - another Brosnan hater (although he was a big Brosnan fan and said Die Another Day was great when he first joined the old MI6 Forum) - always used to used it and I never had the faintest idea what he was going on about!!

It's like people complaining about Roger Moore's "fish face" when he kisses, or Sean Connery's toupee, or Timothy Dalton's hair in LTK, or George Lazenby's kilt. It's useful to pick on if you already don't like the actor, but it takes some pretty obsessive sense of exclusivity to focus only on that that aspect.

it's not complaining or criticizing or bizzare statement. i use the word "the best" for his pain face, showing that he is capable showing pain in screen better than other Bond actors, and that the best he could do as an actor playing James Bond, it is his trademark, nothing bizzare about that. in fact if academy award has category actor with the best pain face in film, i think Brosnan would get it every year.

[carl stromberg]

Brosnan as bond:
The best pain face in the franchise
The weakest actor in fighting scenes in the franchise
The best actor who know how to demand high salaries in the franchise and didn't get it

What is this bizarre "Brosnan Pain Face" statement? A pro-Craig member here called Stocksilvian - another Brosnan hater (although he was a big Brosnan fan and said Die Another Day was great when he first joined the old MI6 Forum) - always used to used it and I never had the faintest idea what he was going on about!!

It's like people complaining about Roger Moore's "fish face" when he kisses, or Sean Connery's toupee, or Timothy Dalton's hair in LTK, or George Lazenby's kilt. It's useful to pick on if you already don't like the actor, but it takes some pretty obsessive sense of exclusivity to focus only on that that aspect.

it's not complaining or criticizing or bizzare statement. i use the word "the best" for his pain face, showing that he is capable showing pain in screen better than other Bond actors, and that the best he could do as an actor playing James Bond, it is his trademark, nothing bizzare about that. in fact if academy award has category actor with the best pain face in film, i think Brosnan would get it every year.

Let me guess: you think that Daniel Craig has a wide range of facial expressions that show his greatness as an actor?

[tehmanis]

Brosnan as bond:
The best pain face in the franchise
The weakest actor in fighting scenes in the franchise
The best actor who know how to demand high salaries in the franchise and didn't get it

What is this bizarre "Brosnan Pain Face" statement? A pro-Craig member here called Stocksilvian - another Brosnan hater (although he was a big Brosnan fan and said Die Another Day was great when he first joined the old MI6 Forum) - always used to used it and I never had the faintest idea what he was going on about!!

It's like people complaining about Roger Moore's "fish face" when he kisses, or Sean Connery's toupee, or Timothy Dalton's hair in LTK, or George Lazenby's kilt. It's useful to pick on if you already don't like the actor, but it takes some pretty obsessive sense of exclusivity to focus only on that that aspect.

it's not complaining or criticizing or bizzare statement. i use the word "the best" for his pain face, showing that he is capable showing pain in screen better than other Bond actors, and that the best he could do as an actor playing James Bond, it is his trademark, nothing bizzare about that. in fact if academy award has category actor with the best pain face in film, i think Brosnan would get it every year.

Let me guess: you think that Daniel Craig has a wide range of facial expressions that show his greatness as an actor?

nope, and Craig is not great as an actor...but definitely better than Brosnan IMO
like i told you Brosnan is the best in pain face better than other Bond actors, including Craig...
and Brosnan better in grunting too, something that Craig lack

[Kristatos]

Who said a thing about DAD?
Even people who hate Brosnan admit he did damned good as Bond in DAD even if they hate DAD overall. BS troll baiting to get a rise out of certain people here.

Watched it again on TV the other night, actually. Yes, it had its cringe-making moments, but it was at least entertaining rubbish. I'd rather watch it again than QOS. It's just a shame it had to be directed by Lee Tamahori, who I regard as the worst director ever to be let loose on a Bond film. Forster may have done a worse job on Bond, but he has at least directed other, better films. Tamahori's films are all shite.

[Thunderpussy]

you should see my PAIN Face when I have to watch D Craig.