The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[FormerBondFan]

I never watched the tv series Star Trek but I became a fan after Star Trek I was over. I always watch ST 2-6 whenever they are on with 2-4 my favorites. ST Generations did not kill off Kirk properly IMO, leaving him buried in rocks on a deserted spot? The films after that were just so-so...........UNTIL the reboot. I found it well casted, which is the main starter, and very entertaining, knowing it is a prequel, not a sequel, to the films I like.

Don't tell me you didn't enjoy First Contact.

[stockslivevan]

Here's a humorous quote from the Bond And Beyond forum I think some of you might find amusing.

does anyone know what has happened to CBn? Is their site down at the moment? If so, is it permanent?

Well, if we'd destroyed MI6 Community, the world may not have heard about it for years.

Also because it's a nod to DAF, the most quotable Bond movie ever.

[Alessandra]

Here's a humorous quote from the Bond And Beyond forum I think some of you might find amusing.

does anyone know what has happened to CBn? Is their site down at the moment? If so, is it permanent?

Well, if we'd destroyed MI6 Community, the world may not have heard about it for years.

Also because it's a nod to DAF, the most quotable Bond movie ever.

[Kristatos]

Also because it's a nod to DAF, the most quotable Bond movie ever.

Which, oddly enough, is part of the problem I have with it. Such wisecracking seems out of character for Blofeld, and makes it even harder to accept The Criminologist (boring!) as the same character previously portrayed by Donald Pleasance and Telly Savalas.

[stockslivevan]

Also because it's a nod to DAF, the most quotable Bond movie ever.

Which, oddly enough, is part of the problem I have with it. Such wisecracking seems out of character for Blofeld, and makes it even harder to accept The Criminologist (boring!) as the same character previously portrayed by Donald Pleasance and Telly Savalas.

Savalas did plenty of wisecracks although his Blofeld has a much darker sense of humor than Gray. "in a few hours, the United Nations will receive our Yuletide greeting."

As far as Blofelds go I think the weakest was Pleasance. I just never found him to be much of a threat in a sense.

[bjmdds]

I never watched the tv series Star Trek but I became a fan after Star Trek I was over. I always watch ST 2-6 whenever they are on with 2-4 my favorites. ST Generations did not kill off Kirk properly IMO, leaving him buried in rocks on a deserted spot? The films after that were just so-so...........UNTIL the reboot. I found it well casted, which is the main starter, and very entertaining, knowing it is a prequel, not a sequel, to the films I like.

Don't tell me you didn't enjoy First Contact.

For me ST is Spock, Kirk, Bones, etc. FBF, I am concerned about Emma Watson. She is not handling the end of HP well at all, getting drunk, then crying. Maybe you can advise the poor girl.

[Kristatos]

For me ST is Spock, Kirk, Bones, etc. FBF, I am concerned about Emma Watson. She is not handling the end of HP well at all, getting drunk, then crying. Maybe you can advise the poor girl.

She said on Letterman that she got hideously drunk once (the old perv seemed unhealthily interested in her drinking habits) and that it's something she never intends to repeat. She's at the age where you're supposed to try all sorts of things. She and Dan Radcliffe both seem pretty well-adjusted (don't know much about Rupert Grint)- they may have experimented with booze and, in Radcliffe's case, pot, but quickly decided that the sex and drugs and rock and roll lifestyle wasn't for them.

[stockslivevan]

For me ST is Spock, Kirk, Bones, etc.

You missed quite a lot of good Trek neglecting anything without those characters.

IMO the TV spin-off that truly captured the spirit of the original series was DS9. Yes, that one with the space station. It's a great series that finds its own niche yet at the same time manages to acknowledge and respect its roots as a Trek show. TNG, while having some good episodes within, is just a riff of the old show and at times pretty bland especially with the early seasons suffering because Gene Roddenberry, like George Lucas, forgot what made the old show popular in the first place and was more interested in creating his 24th century utopia than telling a good story.

Voyager was just an overall failure. While Enterprise had an EXCELLENT fourth season that was far more in tone with TOS, the first two were incredibly lazy and the third while being successful in its own right was a bit dour and the 24-riffing didn't work for a Trek show.

[bjmdds]

I saw all of the Trek films. I just prefer the Spock ones. I think he is the central glue that holds those films together.

[shaken not stirred]

For me ST is Spock, Kirk, Bones, etc.

You missed quite a lot of good Trek neglecting anything without those characters.

IMO the TV spin-off that truly captured the spirit of the original series was DS9. Yes, that one with the space station. It's a great series that finds its own niche yet at the same time manages to acknowledge and respect its roots as a Trek show. TNG, while having some good episodes within, is just a riff of the old show and at times pretty bland especially with the early seasons suffering because Gene Roddenberry, like George Lucas, forgot what made the old show popular in the first place and was more interested in creating his 24th century utopia than telling a good story.

Voyager was just an overall failure. While Enterprise had an EXCELLENT fourth season that was far more in tone with TOS, the first two were incredibly lazy and the third while being successful in its own right was a bit dour and the 24-riffing didn't work for a Trek show.

Agreed when I first started watching deep space 9 it looked interesting but until you found out why cisco is really there (when the series really picks up) it wasn't that great (the first half) the shape shifter guy was cool, but when the romulan threats started and the stations real purpose was eventually explained, s**t just got real, cisco was also a pretty ballsy captain like kirk and like kirk he went out a hero in the end.

I didn't like star trek the original series but the films with the old cast did it for Me, the old films are still the best and the ng films weren't bad (ie generations and first contact, insurrection and nemesis on the otherhand were almost as bad as quantum of solace, wth's picard doing thrillriding on a jeep in a desert and getting worf to sing to get data to call off what he tried to do and worf going through puberty in insurrection and the general light hearted feel of that film ruined it, it was like the hippie version of star trek all picard needed to do was shout love and peace and grow some hair).

The next generation has some good characters like data, q worf and geordie, no 1 was ok and a hark back to kirk, picard was boring, wesley was a douche, the psychic woman was hot and yeah voyager was ruined, I watched it for 7 of 9 but the series didn't really go anywhere and take risks.

[FormerBondFan]

Those who made insults to First Contact should be sucked into the black hole.

[Thunderpussy]

It's funny I loved all the Star Trek stuff,But never got into DS9, It didn't do it for Me.
And I loved Telly Savalas as Blofeld,

[Alessandra]

Meantime...

Laurence Fishburne cast as Perry White in 'Man of Steel' -- EXCLUSIVE http://ow.ly/5THV2

ANOTHER great actor joining the Man of Steel cast. The names and roles keep rolling here. Bond 23? NOTHING. Why am I not surprised...

[katied]

Was never really a fan of Fishburn on CSI...but they're replacing him with..Ted Danson. WTF?

[bjmdds]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YX_im4TnjE

[stockslivevan]

Laurence Fishburne cast as Perry White in 'Man of Steel' -- EXCLUSIVE http://ow.ly/5THV2

Oh dear. More fanboy rants are certain. "BUT THE CHARACTER IS WHITE! EVERYTHING IS RUINED!"

My opinion? Interesting choice. I do hope we'll get the Perry White who barks orders. Frank Langella was excellently cast, but he played it way too low key to be effective which was a shame.

[Omega]

I'm fine with Fishburn then again I'm not a Superman guy.

[Omega]

For me ST is Spock, Kirk, Bones, etc.

You missed quite a lot of good Trek neglecting anything without those characters.

IMO the TV spin-off that truly captured the spirit of the original series was DS9. Yes, that one with the space station. It's a great series that finds its own niche yet at the same time manages to acknowledge and respect its roots as a Trek show. TNG, while having some good episodes within, is just a riff of the old show and at times pretty bland especially with the early seasons suffering because Gene Roddenberry, like George Lucas, forgot what made the old show popular in the first place and was more interested in creating his 24th century utopia than telling a good story.

Voyager was just an overall failure. While Enterprise had an EXCELLENT fourth season that was far more in tone with TOS, the first two were incredibly lazy and the third while being successful in its own right was a bit dour and the 24-riffing didn't work for a Trek show.

Agreed when I first started watching deep space 9 it looked interesting but until you found out why cisco is really there (when the series really picks up) it wasn't that great (the first half) the shape shifter guy was cool, but when the romulan threats started and the stations real purpose was eventually explained, s**t just got real, cisco was also a pretty ballsy captain like kirk and like kirk he went out a hero in the end.

I didn't like star trek the original series but the films with the old cast did it for Me, the old films are still the best and the ng films weren't bad (ie generations and first contact, insurrection and nemesis on the otherhand were almost as bad as quantum of solace, wth's picard doing thrillriding on a jeep in a desert and getting worf to sing to get data to call off what he tried to do and worf going through puberty in insurrection and the general light hearted feel of that film ruined it, it was like the hippie version of star trek all picard needed to do was shout love and peace and grow some hair).

The next generation has some good characters like data, q worf and geordie, no 1 was ok and a hark back to kirk, picard was boring, wesley was a douche, the psychic woman was hot and yeah voyager was ruined, I watched it for 7 of 9 but the series didn't really go anywhere and take risks.

I saw a write up of what Roddenberry wanted to do with the Trek movies it was nuts it never would have worked I can't recall what it specifically was but it wasn't a good idea.
I enjoyed TNG never saw DS9 it was on late night where I was. I like the reboot becuase it leave the future open while (so far) assuring Kirk will meet Kahn, Data will meet Picard. The Star War prequels jumped the shark I don't know if they actually look better at all becuase first trilogy models looked so good.

What do purist think of the Star Trek The Original Series reworked special effects?

[Omega]

Also because it's a nod to DAF, the most quotable Bond movie ever.

Which, oddly enough, is part of the problem I have with it. Such wisecracking seems out of character for Blofeld, and makes it even harder to accept The Criminologist (boring!) as the same character previously portrayed by Donald Pleasance and Telly Savalas.

Savalas did plenty of wisecracks although his Blofeld has a much darker sense of humor than Gray. "in a few hours, the United Nations will receive our Yuletide greeting."

As far as Blofelds go I think the weakest was Pleasance. I just never found him to be much of a threat in a sense.

I thought that guy was scary as hell. Why didn't they keep the same actor for a few movies? Blofeld and some of the regulars were almost random until GE

I don't knwo maybe the Moore movies had a more regular cast. Dalton had a decent crew Dench is so old news now it seem ridiculous to thin of her as a big change. I don't think she would bea good M for Dalton, she was a so so M for Brosnan and the should have left with him.

[stockslivevan]

I saw a write up of what Roddenberry wanted to do with the Trek movies it was nuts it never would have worked I can't recall what it specifically was but it wasn't a good idea.

Roddenberry on Trek was a lot like Lucas on Star Wars. Both were good visionaries and when they worked with some other talented writers (Gene L. Coon and D.C. Fontana for Trek, Irvin Kershner and Lawrence Kasdan for Wars) and there was some great stories. But when you give them complete control over the product then that's when things go wrong. STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE truly is the equivalent to the Star Wars prequels where special effects were more of a priority and the characters were one dimensional. The only difference is that Lucas got full ownership of the rights from FOX so he could continue doing what he wanted. But Paramount owned the rights to Star Trek and so when TMP was a critical failure it was within their right to put Roddenberry aside and have someone else do work for the next installment which was The Wrath of Khan and look how great that turned out.

What do purist think of the Star Trek The Original Series reworked special effects?

While it was a good idea the results looked utterly cheap. That CGI work looks horrible for today's standards, just watch an episode of DS9 that was produced in the mid 90s and they look much better. That's how bad I think it is.

Besides, I have all three seasons on DVD in their broadcast form.