The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Omega]

No it hasn't aged well. I always laugh when James Bond pulls out one of those thick cell phones in TND but that is part of the charm, CR dated way fast. My problem with it is it took it self too seriously, it is hard to forgive the dating becuase it was so serious. Pretentious, preachy in a way. That with the old retired mailman being mistake for the you man parking cars is just stupid.

[bjmdds]

Oh yes. I was a pro Craiger. BJ and I didn't like each other much when I first started posting here. I can't tell you what changed my mind. I just gradually saw the light, as you say. I did flip flop about liking Craig, which got me some amount of grief. It's made me very unpopular elsewhere


I liked CR( saw it a dozen times in the movie theater and praised it to the high heavens to anyone who would listen(oh the folly of fandom!). I've seen it on TV recently and just watching a glimpse of it is enough to confirm that it has not aged well at all.

When didn't we get along?

[bjmdds]

I meant to answer all of the above but the last one has me

WHAT? You were a pro-Craiger!? I'm really glad you saw the light! What made you change your mind?

Just for the record, I hereby declare that I have NEVER, not even for a minute shown any proclivity towards the Cr-egg. EVER! I disliked him with a passion from second one. James is my witness since we used to have some epic discussions with the pro-Craigers back in the day when he was cast

One look at his horrific mug, with that cemented hair to his cranium, did it for me. I wanted Brosnan for 2 more films and that video of him arriving on the speedboat wearing the life preserver and stepping off of it and saying "That scared the s--t out of me", iced the cake for me. He is a hideously inane drone as Bond!

[FormerBondFan]

I meant to answer all of the above but the last one has me

WHAT? You were a pro-Craiger!? I'm really glad you saw the light! What made you change your mind?

Just for the record, I hereby declare that I have NEVER, not even for a minute shown any proclivity towards the Cr-egg. EVER! I disliked him with a passion from second one. James is my witness since we used to have some epic discussions with the pro-Craigers back in the day when he was cast

One look at his horrific mug, with that cemented hair to his cranium, did it for me. I wanted Brosnan for 2 more films and that video of him arriving on the speedboat wearing the life preserver and stepping off of it and saying "That scared the s--t out of me", iced the cake for me. He is a hideously inane drone as Bond!

The sooner Queen B1tch's most trusted servant leaves the role of Bond, the better.

[katied]

When didn't we get along?

It was more wariness of each other than not getting along. We never got into it like us and some of the pro-Craigs on here have!

[bjmdds]

MP, as someone who once loved Cr-egg as Bond, to one who now despises him in the role, can you pinpoint WHY you 'initially' preferred him, and was it a 'long arc' process of his face defragmenting the original image you had of him?

[katied]

Yes. he was my "type". I like tall men, preferably blonde ones(thank you, Simon Le Bon-you're the reason I have a "type" ). As for rejecting him.I think it was a gradual thing. True, I did flip flop a fair bit, but I am firmly in the anti-Craig camp now.And would not go back.

[JackWade CIA]

Some of the changing of minds on Daniel Craig as Bond is due to the miserable Quantum derailing the reboot. Some started to before Quantum after watching Casino Royale after a break from it. My guess would be the newness wore off I think a lot of people were glad to have a story based movie that didn't rely on gadgets to save the day and didn't kill time with cringe worthy puns and jokes. I think after the euphoria of a new Bond wore off a few of those who rewatched Casio were stuck by the unBondness of it. It is not the same Bond as Dr No and that can be a sticking point when tying to put Casino in order with the pre-reboot series.

[Blowfeld]

Someone made the point at the Alternative 007 forum, it is worth repeating 'what happened to all the Bond 23 news?'

Everything has suddenly gone quiet. Are there Germans above hunting them with sonar?

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

Why does that pic remind Me of the cheesy romance in casino royale with bond and vesper..except the cats acted better in that scene.

Captain, I'll read your casino royale review later on m16 .

Ale I've got a lot of haters, from videogames I used to enjoy before they turned into shooters and mainstream, to music going down the crapper, comedy pretty much non existant in the uk (not that I'd complain if a hater got a beating with stilletos, after that you could say they're shoefaced, hides)

Off topic any red dwarf fans here?, I saw Craig Charles, Robert Llewllyn and Angela Bruce a few years ago in Norwich (first time), wish that event was recorded at the time and I could've been on youtube because I did good impressions of lister and krtyon and made them laugh, (took a lot to see them due to Aspergers) if I could act and they needed a double for kyrton if they bumped into an earlier model I could do the part but that probably won't happen, I'm a massive red dwarf fan and it was a priviledge to meet some of them, hopefully I'll see the rest of the cast someday or get tickets for filming of the latest series in november (fingers crossed).

Red Dwarf is wonderful, although I was not such a big fan of the last few BBC series. The last Dave special was good and hopefully the new series will be too.

Seeing as Eon are thinking about using Red Sky as the title for Bond 23 and the short Craig is back, perhaps they could use Red Dwarf as the title for Bond 23?

[Alessandra]

I meant to answer all of the above but the last one has me

WHAT? You were a pro-Craiger!? I'm really glad you saw the light! What made you change your mind?

Just for the record, I hereby declare that I have NEVER, not even for a minute shown any proclivity towards the Cr-egg. EVER! I disliked him with a passion from second one. James is my witness since we used to have some epic discussions with the pro-Craigers back in the day when he was cast

One look at his horrific mug, with that cemented hair to his cranium, did it for me. I wanted Brosnan for 2 more films and that video of him arriving on the speedboat wearing the life preserver and stepping off of it and saying "That scared the s--t out of me", iced the cake for me. He is a hideously inane drone as Bond!

I, too, wanted Brosnan to come back. When faced with alternatives I said Hugh Jackman all the way, and Cavill then (I didn't know Cavill well enough at first but quickly made up for it ). When he was first mentioned I just went "you have got to be kidding me!! Nobody sane would ever cast this guy as Bond! EVER!". Little did I know. I literally laughed at the mere idea. Now I'm here crying seeing my favorite spy portrayed by an absolutely inadequate blue-collar looking geography teacher. Also, I very well remember having a discussion on CBn where I said, based on a shirtless photo of his, that his shoulders were horrid and not broad. And they were exactly like that. He proved my point when he had to pump himself up with steroids and proteins not to mention hours of gym to shoot that scene in CR (that has become a gay icon, too. And I have many gay friends that I absolutely adore, and I fight for their rights, so it's not about having any sort of prejudice at all. It's just that Bond is NOT supposed to be a gay icon). When I saw him in person, the shoulders were back to being like in the first photo, as he wasn't nearly as pumped up. He's very slim in person, so clearly the shoulders reflect it.

What he said after the speedboat thing made me put the final nail on the Craig-as-Bond coffin. Not only he was absolutely inadequate in terms of looks, he proved he was absolutely inadequate in terms of attitude and lack of politeness/charm as well. That was so low... saying something so out of place at the very first press conference. And he certainly didn't show any better interviewing skills later on. I still don't understand how all the rest of EON let Babs get away with this. It is BEYOND me. Really, bunch of spineless people, much?

Yes. he was my "type". I like tall men, preferably blonde ones(thank you, Simon Le Bon-you're the reason I have a "type" ). As for rejecting him.I think it was a gradual thing. True, I did flip flop a fair bit, but I am firmly in the anti-Craig camp now.And would not go back.

I always preferred John Taylor to Simon Le Bon, so there we go (of course John Taylor is much more of a "Bond" type ). But really... Le Bon in his prime was WAY more attractive than Craig. And.. CRAIG ISN'T TALL! I'm just glad you saw the light and rejected him

Some of the changing of minds on Daniel Craig as Bond is due to the miserable Quantum derailing the reboot. Some started to before Quantum after watching Casino Royale after a break from it. My guess would be the newness wore off I think a lot of people were glad to have a story based movie that didn't rely on gadgets to save the day and didn't kill time with cringe worthy puns and jokes. I think after the euphoria of a new Bond wore off a few of those who rewatched Casio were stuck by the unBondness of it. It is not the same Bond as Dr No and that can be a sticking point when tying to put Casino in order with the pre-reboot series.

This is actually a good and thought-out explanation for it. I think many people got way too excited reading "gritty Bond" and "Casino Royale". I knew the movie was going to be horrid for me (I know many like it, I never have) the moment I read the script. The script conveyed absolutely none of the Bond charm, it had no wit, no sparkle, no nothing. I expected it to be nothing like a Bond movie should be, and it was. Sorry to those who liked it, I don't frankly see more Bond elements in CR than there are in QoS. They both suck, even if it is for different reasons. And even if QoS is clearly a far worse movie than CR.

[katied]

John Taylor is a big fan of the Bond films and back in the day he had a vintage Aston Martin.The man has good taste.

[Alessandra]

John Taylor is a big fan of the Bond films and back in the day he had a vintage Aston Martin.The man has good taste.

Most definitely! And he's also very easy on the eyes, to the day!

Someone made the point at the Alternative 007 forum, it is worth repeating 'what happened to all the Bond 23 news?'

Everything has suddenly gone quiet. Are there Germans above hunting them with sonar?

Remember what we were discussing a couple of weeks ago and last week? Babs is fighting with everyone, especially with MGM, and the situation is very tense. Also, there still is no freaking deal in sight for either the distributor OR the needed 50-50 production partner. But of course everything's going GREAT and speedy for Bond 23.

[FormerBondFan]

If there is no traditional Bond available for the 7th Bond, to hell with the franchise and bring us more films based on Narnia and Middle Earth.





Anyone with me?

[Alessandra]

Very nice cover images there FBF. The second one especially. Love it. If there is no traditional Bond with Bond actor #7, well I have a feeling I will focus on Superman But, don't give up hope... sensibility, strange as it may seem, may strike EON as well in the long term (which after all these years of Craig is DEFINITELY long).

[FormerBondFan]

Very nice cover images there FBF. The second one especially. Love it. If there is no traditional Bond with Bond actor #7, well I have a feeling I will focus on Superman But, don't give up hope... sensibility, strange as it may seem, may strike EON as well in the long term (which after all these years of Craig is DEFINITELY long).

I already gave up on Bond ever since Pierce was booted. But I will give it a chance if the public is leaning towards Henry or someone who is traditional as Sean and Pierce at their respective era. Plus, the 7th Bond needs to be around Henry's age or someone a little younger, and the 7th needs to be someone young enough to last up to 10 films.

[FormerBondFan]

And I have a suggestion for a suitable James Bond 007 if DC is to stay beyond Bond 23:

[bjmdds]

"Queequeg Jaws"? He looks like the Moby Dick harpooner from Gregory Peck's version! A great villain for Cr-egg FBF. You have done it again. He can play Jaws' long lost half brother who was commissioned by Quantum to kill Bond in the next film.

[katied]

BJ, I saw Hugh on the red carpet at the Oscars a little while ago. I have to say..he's looking good!

[Alessandra]

BJ, I saw Hugh on the red carpet at the Oscars a little while ago. I have to say..he's looking good!

That's an understatement. He was by far the best-looking man there. Hands down. He is d**n gorgeous and sexy. AND he's funny, too. d**n him and Henry Cavill, they're TOO bloody perfect!