The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Alessandra]

All's ok. QoS didn't open huge in the US and it did bad overall in the US. That's what matters the most when a movie opens, the US market. Obviously people went to see what they were promised, which was a MORE TRADITIONAL Bond movie, and instead that was nowhere to be found. Reason why QoS very quickly fell and was rapidly beaten by Happy Feet. It's not Craig that made them go, but Bond. And, crappy movies can open great and then fall. People give movies the benefit of the doubt, especially when it is a franchise like Bond and when they're promised "next movie you're going to see actual Bond, cool gadgets, more traditional Bond movie!". You see if the movie is actually liked by how it then performs. The fact the DVD sales were disastrous pretty much says it all. The negative remarks on QoS explained how people felt.

A perfect example of casual moviegoer, seen as those are the ones who make up most of the audience, can be my brother and his friends who went to see QoS, not for Craig at all but simply because it was a Bond movie, action movie and there was nothing much in alternative when it was released. Both then said it sucked. They did go and contributed to the big opening, but disliked it. The fact people go in the first place doesn't mean Craig is what makes them go. This is Bond, and people go see Bond movies because they're Bond movies. My brother and his friends very often go to the movies because they like going to the movies, so they'll see a lot of movies based on the "type" of movie fitting their taste in general or not.

My brother has good knowledge of Bond movies but he isn't a big fan of the franchise, he just thinks it can be ok when the movies are well-handled, and he also often says it's past his sell date now, so he's far from being the obsessed Bond fan, quite the opposite. (He does say the 60s movies were far better because they had an element of novelty and chic to them that the new ones can't keep up with anymore). His friends are just average moviegoers with no particular interest in Bond, but just in seeing a good movie. Anyhow, just like many others, he thought QoS was horrid after seeing it. He went in with expectations that clearly weren't met. And mind you, he's one who doesn't think Craig is right for the role at all, but since he's not a die-hard fan, he WAS willing to give it a chance in terms of just enjoying a good action movie. That wasn't the case. Not for him and not for any of his friends. They all said the movie had no plot, it was absolutely confusing as a whole, had no actors standing out at all (including Craig). So? Point is, opening weekend big figures are the result of marketing first and foremost and of a popular franchise, not of who the actor is. I have already linked a great article in this sense, that also was useful to understand why QoS was actually a LOSS in the bottomline for the studio, and not a profit.

[The Sweeney]

All's ok. QoS didn't open huge in the US and it did bad overall in the US. That's what matters the most when a movie opens, the US market. Obviously people went to see what they were promised, which was a MORE TRADITIONAL Bond movie, and instead that was nowhere to be found. Reason why QoS very quickly fell and was rapidly beaten by Happy Feet. It's not Craig that made them go, but Bond. And, crappy movies can open great and then fall. People give movies the benefit of the doubt, especially when it is a franchise like Bond and when they're promised "next movie you're going to see actual Bond, cool gadgets, more traditional Bond movie!". You see if the movie is actually liked by how it then performs. The fact the DVD sales were disastrous pretty much says it all. The negative remarks on QoS explained how people felt.

A perfect example of casual moviegoer, seen as those are the ones who make up most of the audience, can be my brother and his friends who went to see QoS, not for Craig at all but simply because it was a Bond movie, action movie and there was nothing much in alternative when it was released. Both then said it sucked. They did go and contributed to the big opening, but disliked it. The fact people go in the first place doesn't mean Craig is what makes them go. This is Bond, and people go see Bond movies because they're Bond movies. My brother and his friends very often go to the movies because they like going to the movies, so they'll see a lot of movies based on the "type" of movie fitting their taste in general or not.

My brother has good knowledge of Bond movies but he isn't a big fan of the franchise, he just thinks it can be ok when the movies are well-handled, and he also often says it's past his sell date now, so he's far from being the obsessed Bond fan, quite the opposite. (He does say the 60s movies were far better because they had an element of novelty and chic to them that the new ones can't keep up with anymore). His friends are just average moviegoers with no particular interest in Bond, but just in seeing a good movie. Anyhow, just like many others, he thought QoS was horrid after seeing it. He went in with expectations that clearly weren't met. And mind you, he's one who doesn't think Craig is right for the role at all, but since he's not a die-hard fan, he WAS willing to give it a chance in terms of just enjoying a good action movie. That wasn't the case. Not for him and not for any of his friends. They all said the movie had no plot, it was absolutely confusing as a whole, had no actors standing out at all (including Craig). So? Point is, opening weekend big figures are the result of marketing first and foremost and of a popular franchise, not of who the actor is. I have already linked a great article in this sense, that also was useful to understand why QoS was actually a LOSS in the bottomline for the studio, and not a profit.

This pretty much proves my point that audiences don't care as much as we do about who is playing Bond. They'll still go the cinema to see the movie, regardless of who is playing the part. QoS dipped afterwards because it was a poor film, not because of Craig.

If Bond 23 is a better film for the general audiences (not as messy or offputting as QoS, and more traditional) then it will be a hit. If Bond 23 is a success, I'm hazarding a guess Craig's time as Bond may not be up immediately afterwards. There is still a chance he could do Bond 24.

[English Agent]

Reading the latest comments, its true we were all dissapointed with QOS.

All being equal, whoever is the leading character in a Bond film, we still want to see and enjoy the Bond films, at the end of the day filmaking is a serious business, and the Bond franchise is not bullet proof as some imagine.

There were people, who were hoping that the Craig films would fail miserably, but thats not good for any Bond fans, as one day the money men at the studios could cause a halt to future Bond films.

The people who dislike Craig in the role, will know that his tenure as Bond will end, and a new candidate will reprise the role, but until then the films will still have to be successful, and to please the worldwide Bond audience for the franchise to continue.

If this doesn't happen, then no one will be happy.

One comment which is incorrect, as stated in previous posts is that QOS didn't open big, well $67.5 mil in the US was big, unfortunately when word of mouth was poor the takings dropped signifcantly in subsequent weeks.

At the end of the day, the bond franchise is something we all enjoy, and its quite remarkable that this film series has lasted so long. Lets hope the studio and the producers at EON take on board the critisisms of the last film and turn Bond 23 into an enjoyable cinematic experience.

EA

[English Agent]

A change from the usual bickering!

We don't know what the script will be for Bond 23 yet...........but what do members here think how the storyline should go.

Do you want to see a continuation of the involvement of the mysterious Quantum organization, or do you hope for a completely new approach, with no references to the previous 2 films.

I do suspect though that our friend 'BJMDDS' hopes that Craig will meet with an untimely death at the end of Bond 23 at the hands 'of an axe wielding homicidal maniac'

EA

[English Agent]

An interesting titbit of info i've come across the internet whilst searching BO figures.

We all know that QOS was one of the most expensive films ever made, but it is alas the most expensive film EVER made in relation to costs per film running time, the figure is incidently $2.16 mil per minute, a hell of a lot of money, shame the shakey cam and quick editing prevented us from seeing what was going on half the time.

EA

[Thunderpussy]

That's an Amazing Fact, I'll wait for that one poping up in Quizes

[FormerBondFan]

Deathly Hallows Part 1 has entered the list of Top 10 grossing movies worldwide. DC's Bonds don't stand a chance. Bring on Part 2.

[Blowfeld]

My god that is ridiculous! I thought they spent too much on DAD and CR now those budgets are seen as a drastic cut! People don't mention it much, maybe it isn't common knowledge, Cubby did more than hire and fire he kept the 007 budgets balanced and constant. The number of movies that happened under his lone watch, TSWLM - GE, was amazing. 1977-1989 was an amazing time to be a Bond fan! 7 movies regular as clock work! Unimaginable now Could it possibly be unachievable?

[bjmdds]

EA I can absolutely understand why you would pick this forum to comment, it is a great place. I truly dislike second guessing just for the sake of it, but I certainly have no problem with a normal and healthy discussion, as long as it doesn't get too heated. I mean after all it is Bond we're talking about, not something that actually has any importance in life Sometimes there are people who appear and they have nothing to say other than getting confrontational or making absurd statements, and that's when problems arise. (have a look at Bond 23 forum and you'll see what I mean ). But other than that, I don't think things have been going round in circles here, at least not ever since I have read. No idea about the origins as I wasn't here LOL

BJ, how's that Mac treating you? We need you around here, and this is your thread after all. Bring in your hilarious Cr-egg wisdom

I am just about getting used to the MAC OS X system. It is different but better than windows. NO pops at all. This particular forum is the complete antithesis of the cloned, unilateral, one dimensional, arrogant thought processes seen at MI6 and CB.net. I DO know those people Sweenster and you know their tolerance level to BOTH sides of the "Egg"'s debate is minimal. You and others here feel wanted yet your views are 180 degrees to our opposite. If that moron MGW does not get out of hibernation mode and continues to let that half sister of his run amuck, he will lose his inheritance in bankruptcy court. 2012 with Cr-egghead again? Insanity!

[katied]

I am just about getting used to the MAC OS X system. It is different but better than windows. NO pops at all. This particular forum is the complete antithesis of the cloned, unilateral, one dimensional, arrogant thought processes seen at MI6 and CB.net. I DO know those people Sweenster and you know their tolerance level to BOTH sides of the "Egg"'s debate is minimal. You and others here feel wanted yet your views are 180 degrees to our opposite. If that moron MGW does not get out of hibernation mode and continues to let that half sister of his run amuck, he will lose his inheritance in bankruptcy court. 2012 with Cr-egghead again? Insanity!

Glad to hear it!I've been a Mac user for many years-we had the first Mac- square and beige and did not have very much memory. How times have changed!

[bjmdds]

MP:How do you delete an individual letter you typed wrong? The delete key does NOT delete a letter. It just goes backwards.

[katied]

You know,I have no idea(that being said,I usually delete the whole word and start over).Some help I am..and you would think I would know the answer after using Macs for so long.

[Alessandra]

EA I can absolutely understand why you would pick this forum to comment, it is a great place. I truly dislike second guessing just for the sake of it, but I certainly have no problem with a normal and healthy discussion, as long as it doesn't get too heated. I mean after all it is Bond we're talking about, not something that actually has any importance in life Sometimes there are people who appear and they have nothing to say other than getting confrontational or making absurd statements, and that's when problems arise. (have a look at Bond 23 forum and you'll see what I mean ). But other than that, I don't think things have been going round in circles here, at least not ever since I have read. No idea about the origins as I wasn't here LOL

BJ, how's that Mac treating you? We need you around here, and this is your thread after all. Bring in your hilarious Cr-egg wisdom

I am just about getting used to the MAC OS X system. It is different but better than windows. NO pops at all. This particular forum is the complete antithesis of the cloned, unilateral, one dimensional, arrogant thought processes seen at MI6 and CB.net. I DO know those people Sweenster and you know their tolerance level to BOTH sides of the "Egg"'s debate is minimal. You and others here feel wanted yet your views are 180 degrees to our opposite. If that moron MGW does not get out of hibernation mode and continues to let that half sister of his run amuck, he will lose his inheritance in bankruptcy court. 2012 with Cr-egghead again? Insanity!

hibernation mode is quite right. Must be his state ever since Craig was cast apparently?

BJ, you need to hold the FN (function) key while pressing delete. That will make it work like a normal delete key.

[English Agent]

Just a general computer question, so for you MAC users what do you find is the biggest advantage over a Windows system, and is there anything on Windows you wish you had on MACS ? Just curious.

EA

[katied]

Erm..generally they're,IMO easier to use..I had my fair share of software issues when I had a PC.Also, the lack of popup ads is nice.Oh and internet setup is a breeze-I mean all I had to do with my laptop to get online was to type in my dad's wireless network password and hit enter.That's it.

[bjmdds]

EA I can absolutely understand why you would pick this forum to comment, it is a great place. I truly dislike second guessing just for the sake of it, but I certainly have no problem with a normal and healthy discussion, as long as it doesn't get too heated. I mean after all it is Bond we're talking about, not something that actually has any importance in life Sometimes there are people who appear and they have nothing to say other than getting confrontational or making absurd statements, and that's when problems arise. (have a look at Bond 23 forum and you'll see what I mean ). But other than that, I don't think things have been going round in circles here, at least not ever since I have read. No idea about the origins as I wasn't here LOL

BJ, how's that Mac treating you? We need you around here, and this is your thread after all. Bring in your hilarious Cr-egg wisdom

I am just about getting used to the MAC OS X system. It is different but better than windows. NO pops at all. This particular forum is the complete antithesis of the cloned, unilateral, one dimensional, arrogant thought processes seen at MI6 and CB.net. I DO know those people Sweenster and you know their tolerance level to BOTH sides of the "Egg"'s debate is minimal. You and others here feel wanted yet your views are 180 degrees to our opposite. If that moron MGW does not get out of hibernation mode and continues to let that half sister of his run amuck, he will lose his inheritance in bankruptcy court. 2012 with Cr-egghead again? Insanity!

hibernation mode is quite right. Must be his state ever since Craig was cast apparently?

BJ, you need to hold the FN (function) key while pressing delete. That will make it work like a normal delete key.

Thanks Ale! It takes a bit to get used to it, not like getting used to Cr-egg because that is impossible!

[bjmdds]

You know,I have no idea(that being said,I usually delete the whole word and start over).Some help I am..and you would think I would know the answer after using Macs for so long.

Try holding the fn key lower left MP. It works. Eureka!

[bjmdds]

Just a general computer question, so for you MAC users what do you find is the biggest advantage over a Windows system, and is there anything on Windows you wish you had on MACS ? Just curious.

EA

Having had it for 3 days I would say the lit up keyboard, the ability to enlarge the screen with 2 fingers on the mouse pad, no pop ups at all, NO firewalls needed, NO virus protection needed because it is 99% free of being hacked into,30 seconds to log on, 60 seconds to log off, crystal clear screen, fast page turning, etc., EA.

[English Agent]

Sounds like the MACS are good, i have heard it as well from a few others that have used them.........but because Microsoft dominates the PC market, not many people get to use them or hear how good MACS are from its users.

EA

[katied]

I also like that they have great tech support-you can go to their stores and talk to someone if you have any sort of problems. Microsoft has several retail stores(one of which is in San Diego) but I don't foresee them taking off the way Apple had. Plus, their one San Diego store, at Fashion Valley(one of the big malls here) is right across from an Apple store. Ouch.