The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[FormerBondFan]

$2.4 biilion is this imaginary 80% additional revenue to the 20% $600 million already done at the box office gross only. FBF, read this: "The debut also topped the previous opening-weekend record for a Bond flick, $47 million for 2002's "Die Another Day. Adjusting for inflation, Sony's "Quantum of Solace" easily drew a bigger audience than that installment, the last Bond adventure featuring Pierce Brosnan. Based on 2002 admission prices, about 8.1 million tickets were sold for "Die Another Day" in the first weekend, compared to 9.8 million for "Quantum of Solace." Make sure you get these minions to stay home in the UK and the USA.

BJ, what we need to do is to defend our country (USA) from getting brainwashed into paying to see Bond 23 as well as from getting Bond 23 a buzz for high profile American movie award nominations, and we NEED rebels. It'll take more than just vampires and Bilbo to do all the work this holiday season.

[bjmdds]

It will take this mighty forum to spread the word throughout the land and to all the inhabitants thereof, to stay home November 9-11 and not throw good money after bad on Bond 23. You can do it FBF. We all have confidence in you. I do not want more people seeing this junk than saw DAD in 2002.

[FormerBondFan]

You can do it FBF. We all have confidence in you.

No. This isn't a one-man's job. We will do this together.

[bjmdds]

Order 66 on Bond 23 has been given by Chancellor FBF to all internet Jedi on these anti-DC forums

[FormerBondFan]

Order 66 on Bond 23 has been given by Chancellor FBF to all internet Jedi on these anti-DC forums

I told you. Our mission is to destroy Death Star II (Bond 23). Order 66 is what Babs did to Pierce back in 2004. This is us:

[bjmdds]

In other words, The Return Of The Bond Jedi will take place destroying the Bond 23 death star and the Darth Vader http://www.knowabouthealth.com/wp-conte ... occoli.png head at Eon.

[English Agent]

To me FBF, it sounds like BJ has given you a very difficult task, i mean how are you going to get your word across the whole USA.

[English Agent]

What do our North American friends know of the forthcoming 'Lone Ranger' film?...........It has been stated the film has a staggering $250 mil budget to its name. Industry analysts are worried film could BOMB bigtime!

[English Agent]

'BJ' why are you posting images of vegetables on this webpage?

[Omega]

What do our North American friends know of the forthcoming 'Lone Ranger' film?...........It has been stated the film has a staggering $250 mil budget to its name. Industry analysts are worried film could BOMB bigtime!

Impossible! It'll make 3 billion no matter what! Even if it only does $400!

Sorry EA not meant for you. I saw this story too I don't know how they can think $200 million is smart to spend on the Lone Ranger. I can see making it a TV series, still I don't think my generation will care Johnny Depp is lot of things but he is not a must see actor he has a big range but his movies that are not Pirate related seem to only do OK. John Carter blows the lid off the idea money can be made off these big budget movies.

Disney has a right to be somewhat fearful of the rising costs and the director’s stubbornness. They already could potentially lose $200 million in the wake of the John Carter bomb and that’s not where the similarities end. Both films are based on somewhat outdated material and had similar production issues.

BTW I was wrong the Madagascar movies all have good openings last week I thought it was bigger than any other Madagascar. Looks like the third movie will stay king of the mountain one week longer.

[English Agent]

That 'John Carter' movie obviously had a disastrous marketing campaign...........i mean the first major problem, is the title of the film, i mean it doesnt mean anything to me. Ive never ever met anyone in the UK who has ever mentioned this film to me, never heard reviews, though obviously some people went to see the film!

[FormerBondFan]

That 'John Carter' movie obviously had a disastrous marketing campaign...........i mean the first major problem, is the title of the film, i mean it doesnt mean anything to me.

I wonder how well Jack Reacher (starring Tom Cruise) will do. The original title was One Shot. Speaking of the casting of Tom as the lead, a lot of people have been b1tching about it.

[bjmdds]

To me FBF, it sounds like BJ has given you a very difficult task, i mean how are you going to get your word across the whole USA.

With his Hollywood political connections he can do it EA. Tell Arthur Brain not to spend any British pounds on Bond 23 as well. He has other films to spend money on in November.

[English Agent]

To me FBF, it sounds like BJ has given you a very difficult task, i mean how are you going to get your word across the whole USA.

With his Hollywood political connections he can do it EA. Tell Arthur Brain not to spend any British pounds on Bond 23 as well. He has other films to spend money on in November.

I think 'Arthur Brain' wil see SF in the hope that its a better film than QOS, which shouldnt be such a hard task.

[bjmdds]

"In third place, Rock of Ages grossed a paltry $5.35 million from 3,470 locations. That's a fraction of Hairspray's $10.98 million and Mamma Mia!'s $9.87 million, and it's about on par with last Fall's more modest Footloose ($5.43 million). Rock of Ages will likely finish the weekend with around $15 million in the bank." This overhyped trash bombed with Cruise. The budget says it was only $75 million. Was $30 million of that for Cruise himself? Julianne Hough has another poor film on her resume after Footloose. She should go back on DWTS and marry "Seacrust", if that relationship is even legit or just another Travolta/Preston fiasco.

[carl stromberg]

I saw a few clips of Craig in Skyfall on the film preview programme on Five USA. Daniel Craig looks awful with a grey skinhead and a beard and a shiny gray suit to complete the look.

[bjmdds]

Carl, it's an insult to human comprehension to force feed spoiled merchandise on the public. Eon continues to do it. The Avengers has now overtaken MIB:3 at the box office as was predicted, by a week longer than anticipated. These Avengers numbers will be tough for TDKR to equal, let alone pass, in the USA, but it will be a possibility. FBF, these other blockbusters we have discussed that will nail DC's film, are they very long films like TDKR? If so, the theatres had better have multiple staggered screenings to build up the box office totals to bury Bond 23 into dust.

[Alessandra]

That 80% downstream thing is utter ridiculousness, and it is absolutely not "commonly accepted" in the business. Go to any Hollywood producer and accountant or to anyone who actually works with Hollywood finance and accounting (like Edward J Epstein whose article I linked to) and they will laugh hearing that tale. It's a ridiculous concept to begin with because based on it NO MOVIE EVER could book a loss. While instead well over 50% book losses.

First off, SONY confirmed they spent $400 mln on QoS and this was recently ALSO confirmed by Daniel Craig. So there's no "oh I don't believe it" about it even for those who aren't in the know about the figures, it's what they spent, publicly confirmed. Second, QoS made $600 mln at the box office so FAR from enough to even break even, and even taking Wikipedia into account (although it's the most unreliable source ever since ANYONE can write on it) $45 mln in DVD sales don't make the slightest difference, it'd still book a major loss. Considering they need 1.2 bln to break even... yeah. No way, no how. (and I already explained why the 1.75 figure is absolutely incorrect, it doesn't take taxes into account in the slightest. Also you calculated the tax "discount" but you didn't calculate the fact they DO pay taxes abroad for each and every box office ticket sold, and those taxes amount to NO LESS than 30% in average, everywhere).

So yeah, math isn't an opinion, as it isn't an opinion but a well documented fact that the studio needs 3x the expenses in box office gross to break even (that's because the studio gets 40% of box office revenue in the best-case scenario, and then they have to pay taxes on it, so a further, at best, 30%, goes away).

It is also a well-known fact in the business that QoS LOST MONEY. The most recent data indicates a loss of $100 mln, however the figure I have is lower. Not a huge difference, but still, lower than that.

Also, if you had access to Sony's balance sheet for the movie arm, Columbia pictures, you'd see that the year QoS was released they had a less than thrilling result. (booked a net loss as a whole as well).

There's no "oh but" about it. QoS lost money. Anyone who works in the business and anyone who just pays a little attention to how box office gross translates into (non) profits for the studio can see that without much problem. It's just the way it is. The DVD sales for QoS were ABYSMAL, that was also indicated in the Sony/Columbia balance sheet, they specifically indicated severely declining DVD sales as a reason for booking a loss.

[FormerBondFan]

FBF, these other blockbusters we have discussed that will nail DC's film, are they very long films like TDKR? If so, the theatres had better have multiple staggered screenings to build up the box office totals to bury Bond 23 into dust.

I would assume the first half of Bilbo's adventure might run as long as each film of LOTR trilogy. There's a lot more important things than running time of other films. We'll need more animated films, not just Madagascar 3, Brave and Ice Age 4. There's Hotel Transylvania, ParaNorman, Frankenweenie, Wreck-It Ralph and Rise of the Guardians. But I don't think these would chance of surpassing Bond 23's numbers....except Rise of the Guardian maybe.

[bjmdds]

FBF, with Bilbo and the vampires lurking around holiday time on Thanksgiving, and the Hobbit opening in Australia in November to boot, shouldn't Bond 23's morose plot film be a thing of the past before it even gets started?