The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[bjmdds]

That's pretty bad.But IMO this year has been worse.My nephew goes to Catholic school-they live in Oklahoma City- and they won't cancel school unless the weather is really bad.The public schools will cancel school at the drop of a hat,though.

Did you see the Green Hornet? It's not going to cover expenses. It cost $120 million to make(on what?) and so far has only taken in $140 million worldwide. They need at least $240 million at the box office to cover the movie production cost not yet factoring the cost of the pre-opening marketing and advertising. Another Hollywood bust with the wrong lead actor with Rogen. Hollywood just does not get it and I am starting to think they never will. I still have reservations about Campbell's Green Lantern lead actor Ryan Reynolds. This new Spiderman actor won't cut it either.

[Alessandra]

Whenever these directors state that stuff you can forget it. What their liberal brains think is not what a traditional Bond fan like me wants. I do NOT need a new direction which veers further off course than the last 2 did with the actor and scripts and directors. BACK TO THE FUTURE is what I want and with a PROVEN action director with NO political agenda for the film at all. MODERN,MATURE, AND CHALLENGING usually equates to sexual and violent viewing with these moronic directors. Enough Ale, Cavill awaits and the sooner the better!

That sentence about Mendes spells NOTHING good. Campbell directing and Cavill as Bond is what the franchise needs, the end. I like "cinema d'essai" as the French say, but that's got NOTHING and I mean NOTHING to do with Bond. Modern,mature and challenging characters? This is freaking James Bond! Get me out of this nightmare! I don't want this, I want a classic James Bond movie. Which by the way... when was Bond not challenging not UBER Modern and not mature? Heck, if there's something Bond has always been it is modern and challenging, it's always been way ahead of its times. And, I DO NOT watch Bond for character development. I DO NOT want to see that! I want to see JAMES BOND as he should be. This is getting worse by the minute. Luckily, that's just the opinion of an unnamed source.. let's hope they are dead wrong. Or better yet, that this is fabricated.

Most of all I don't want darker!! It's WAY too dark as is, that's one of the MAJOR problems Craig's Bond has. Craig himself said the movie needed to be lighter and with more humor, where did that go? Wait, he lied. Just trying to appease the obviously disappointed audience after QoS. Cavill can't come soon enough.

[bjmdds]

Eon needs an overhaul, NOT the Bond franchise. This guy Mendes will further drive this saga into the ground so much so that no one will recognize it any longer. It's all bad my friends. NOTHING good will come from Mendes and Broccoli. MGW had better get his check book out and buy off his kid half sister.

[katied]

Eon needs an overhaul, NOT the Bond franchise. This guy Mendes will further drive this saga into the ground so much so that no one will recognize it any longer. It's all bad my friends. NOTHING good will come from Mendes and Broccoli. MGW had better get his check book out and buy off his kid half sister.

I've said it so many times. but Mikey Wilson needs to grow a set and effect a coup against Babs. and put the next generation(his kids,perhaps?-in charge) It would not be pretty, but maybe we'd get actually get a good Bond film that way.

[Alessandra]

Eon needs an overhaul, NOT the Bond franchise. This guy Mendes will further drive this saga into the ground so much so that no one will recognize it any longer. It's all bad my friends. NOTHING good will come from Mendes and Broccoli. MGW had better get his check book out and buy off his kid half sister.

I've said it so many times. but Mikey Wilson needs to grow a set and effect a coup against Babs. and put the next generation(his kids,perhaps?-in charge) It would not be pretty, but maybe we'd get actually get a good Bond film that way.

Takes a lot of money though and a massive feud. I can only hope he musters the courage and the money to do it What I'm hearing about Bond 23 isn't one bit good for the franchise so far. I can't understand what it is that they do NOT get. This is shaping up to be possibly WORSE than QoS? WTF!?

[katied]

I'll be interested to see the reactions from the diehard fans if it's really terrible.I'm sure there will be plenty of fans that will look the other way at its awfulness.To each his/her own, but still...

[Mazer Rackham]

There is always one fail-safe, the other half of the franchise has to approve the script and have say over directors and actors. This more or less is the nuclear option. I don't know if MGM has the stones to threaten it, they are with their backs against the wall. They play ball and Babs gives them another Bond movie which is what their portfolio needs the most right now.

[katied]

There is always one fail-safe, the other half of the franchise has to approve the script and have say over directors and actors. This more or less is the nuclear option. I don't know if MGM has the stones to threaten it, they are with their backs against the wall. They play ball and Babs gives them another Bond movie which is what their portfolio needs the most right now.

Well, I hope that they have some veto power if Babs decides to hire someone along the lines of, say a Gemma Arterton. I think we'd all be grateful for their veto power then!

[Kristatos]

I'm not convinced Mikey is any better than Babs, He seems as fond of rebooting and reinventing Bond as she is.

Oh, and judging by recent comments he's made, I very much doubt that Campbell will ever do another Bond film.

[Omega]

Quick question why do the numbers at BO MOJ and IMDb not match? I think they are run by the same people now.
The IMDb top 100 of all time has different worldwide numbers than BO MOJO

IMDb QOS____$569,968,427
Bo MOJO QOS $586,090,727

IMDb CR____$587,607,184
BO MOJO CR $594,239,066

IMDb DAD____$424,700,000
BO MOJO DAD $431,971,116

It isn't off by all that much except for QOS off by more than 10 million. I assume BO MOJO is gospel on this and maybe IMDb didn't count the last weeks in circulation or something.

The Numbers has different totals as well QOS $576,368,427 ( ), CR $596,365,000 (slightly more than Bo mojo) , DAD $431,942,139 (* close to BO MOJO)

[Kristatos]

It isn't off by all that much except for QOS off by more than 10 million. I assume BO MOJO is gospel on this and maybe IMDb didn't count the last weeks in circulation or something.

The Numbers has different totals as well QOS $576,368,427 ( ), CR $596,365,000 (slightly more than Bo mojo) , DAD $431,942,139 (* close to BO MOJO)

Hollywood accounting is notoriously slippery, but of the three sources you mention, I think BOM is generally considered the most trustworthy.

[English Agent]

Quick question why do the numbers at BO MOJ and IMDb not match? I think they are run by the same people now.
The IMDb top 100 of all time has different worldwide numbers than BO MOJO

IMDb QOS____$569,968,427
Bo MOJO QOS $586,090,727

IMDb CR____$587,607,184
BO MOJO CR $594,239,066

IMDb DAD____$424,700,000
BO MOJO DAD $431,971,116

It isn't off by all that much except for QOS off by more than 10 million. I assume BO MOJO is gospel on this and maybe IMDb didn't count the last weeks in circulation or something.

The Numbers has different totals as well QOS $576,368,427 ( ), CR $596,365,000 (slightly more than Bo mojo) , DAD $431,942,139 (* close to BO
MOJO)

If you were 2 look at those 2 resources for BO info then go with BOM..............BOM, they seem to get there figures directly from the industry, whereas IMDB is just like a general info source like WIKI, and it can take ages for them to catch up (as in years), but their figures are generally in the right ball park.

Mind you, I have contacted BOM (for clarity on figures) in the past, as they seem to get their figures a bit messed up every now and then.
If you spot a genuine error, then they do correct their website.
Unfortunately if you want to get as best upto date figures, then you would have to pay subscriptions to sites like Nielson in the US or Screen International in the UK, which can be very expensive.

The only real true figures are known by the studios, but they like to keep that info to themselves! (Why?)

I remember someone telling me, that they asked EON for the official figures on the Bond films, but after a couple of requests without an answer, were then told not to ask for the info again. Blimey....its not like BO figures are of national security importance

So, BOM it is, as possibly the best, most upto date info on boxoffice figures for the public........but also look at the site 'TheNumbers'

The figure at BOM for QOS, i believe is out by some $10 mil, the international total is $10 mil too high. I believe true figure for QOS worldwide was somewhere around the $576 mil mark, not $586 mil mark. This brings the figure into line with other BO sources.
Why the discrepancy, well as i mentioned earlier in the post BOM are very good overall (but they cant add up their figures), but during the release of QOS, they seemed to of got muddled up with the international total, somehow one week the website added another $10 mil (exactly 10 mil), but there were no additional figures to support this.

Incidently, unlike some movie franchise,s like Disney, the Bond figures are for thier 'initial' runs only, and do not include re-runs, which in the case of the Connery films were a lot, as they were re played right upto the mid 1970's in cinemas.

Hope i havn't sent you too sleep!

EA

[Omega]

Nope. Found it fascinating. Thank you both.

[katied]

I'm not convinced Mikey is any better than Babs, He seems as fond of rebooting and reinventing Bond as she is.

Oh, and judging by recent comments he's made, I very much doubt that Campbell will ever do another Bond film.

Doesn't keep fans from suggesting him, which is weird


I'd like to see Kevin Macdonald, who directed The Last King Of Scotland direct a Bond film. True, he's done a lot of political thrillers, but he started out doing documentaries.Just a thought.

[Alessandra]

There is always one fail-safe, the other half of the franchise has to approve the script and have say over directors and actors. This more or less is the nuclear option. I don't know if MGM has the stones to threaten it, they are with their backs against the wall. They play ball and Babs gives them another Bond movie which is what their portfolio needs the most right now.

I agree. I think the real knives will come out AFTER Bond 23. MGM isn't in the position to do anything right now, they need Bond out desperately and that's exactly why the movie is being made quick and with whatever there was at disposal in terms of actor, director etc. There HAS to be someone in there who at least moderates the level of dark and stupidly angsty they get to... they know they need a money-maker more than ever right now, so I am hoping someway, somehow this won't be the way it seems "on paper" now, because if it will be... well we're gonna have quite a few problems.

As far as directors, I would of COURSE want JJ Abrams. But I think if Campbell knew Babs was out of the way, he'd have a go at Bond movies again.

[English Agent]

There is always one fail-safe, the other half of the franchise has to approve the script and have say over directors and actors. This more or less is the nuclear option. I don't know if MGM has the stones to threaten it, they are with their backs against the wall. They play ball and Babs gives them another Bond movie which is what their portfolio needs the most right now.

I agree. I think the real knives will come out AFTER Bond 23. MGM isn't in the position to do anything right now, they need Bond out desperately and that's exactly why the movie is being made quick and with whatever there was at disposal in terms of actor, director etc. There HAS to be someone in there who at least moderates the level of dark and stupidly angsty they get to... they know they need a money-maker more than ever right now, so I am hoping someway, somehow this won't be the way it seems "on paper" now, because if it will be... well we're gonna have quite a few problems.

As far as directors, I would of COURSE want JJ Abrams. But I think if Campbell knew Babs was out of the way, he'd have a go at Bond movies again.

Hi........in relation to your last sentence, about Campbell..........why do you think Babs is the reason he wont come back?

EA

[Blowfeld]

What did he say recently? I am not up on the news surrounding him.

[Alessandra]

There is always one fail-safe, the other half of the franchise has to approve the script and have say over directors and actors. This more or less is the nuclear option. I don't know if MGM has the stones to threaten it, they are with their backs against the wall. They play ball and Babs gives them another Bond movie which is what their portfolio needs the most right now.

I agree. I think the real knives will come out AFTER Bond 23. MGM isn't in the position to do anything right now, they need Bond out desperately and that's exactly why the movie is being made quick and with whatever there was at disposal in terms of actor, director etc. There HAS to be someone in there who at least moderates the level of dark and stupidly angsty they get to... they know they need a money-maker more than ever right now, so I am hoping someway, somehow this won't be the way it seems "on paper" now, because if it will be... well we're gonna have quite a few problems.

As far as directors, I would of COURSE want JJ Abrams. But I think if Campbell knew Babs was out of the way, he'd have a go at Bond movies again.

Hi........in relation to your last sentence, about Campbell..........why do you think Babs is the reason he wont come back?

EA

Because she is the reason he didn't do the movie he wanted to do with CR and she is the one he vehemently disagreed with on who should have been picked as the lead (he wanted Cavill).

[katied]

Good for Martin... too bad Queen Babs had the last say

[bjmdds]

Put FBF and Seagal in the room with her and watch what happens?