katied wrote:Mathis getting thrown into a dumpster was all different kinds of wrong
All I can say about the rape scenes is..it was a different era, and leave it at that.
Yeah, exactly my reaction Katie
(Now every time this smiley pops up I see Jonathan Rhyhs Meyers's eyes and LAUGH. It is YOUR FAULT! Totally looks like him!
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I think that's why the Fleming thing about rape or near-rape in the books was how can I say, a whole different level. It's not like seeing it in a contemporary movie. People back then weren't even condemned for rape. It's very different now, and I don't see the use of such a scene in a Bond movie. It added nothing to QoS IMO (well it added to my distaste for the movie, but that's just me).
The Mathis thing was just ridiculously out of character.
I think the other thing that really bothered me was the sugary and Jackie Collins-style romance with Vesper though. That just made me cringe. The way they executed it was... just a Jackie Collins novel. :O And I know who to blame.
Babs: "Hello? Yes, put Haggis on the phone."
Secretary: "Broccoli on the phone Mr Haggis"
Haggis: "
what now?" Picks up phone: "Yes Barbara, what can I do for you?"
Babs: "No it's what you can do for all women on the planet, because you know, I am the quintessential woman and represent all of them!"
Haggis:
(thinks: what, now I'm supposed to make all of them swoon?
I have enough with wife already!) "What do you mean, Barbara?"
Babs: "I mean you have the perfect romance hero with the gorgeous, beautiful, sexy, magnetic body and face of Daniel Craig to write up in the script."
Haggis: "I thought Bond was a manwhore who well concealed his feelings even when in love? And even if in love, he's got to look like a self-assured, refined, smart man, not like one of those Jackie Collins dudes who say stuff like "I am going to make you feel like a real woman". (thinks "I also thought he looked like Brosnan or Dalton, but beats me. Women...")
Babs: You don't get it. You have DANIEL CRAIG! Don't you know he's the DREAM of all women on the planet? And I know because I represent them and I can only think of him day and night and I just want to see him shirtless in tiny swimtrunks or saying the most romantic things to a woman and then "press his warm, quivering body against her soft breasts". Exactly like Jackie Collin dudes, great example!"
Haggis:
(thinks:
beach scene with him in tiny swimtrunks, also winking at gay imagery? DONE! I'm a genius). "The shirtless is not a problem, consider it done. As far as the rest..."
Babs: "You still don't get it? I'll make it clear: he is the dream of every woman and most of all he is MY dream. I already spoke with Arnold about appropriate music, so you better come up with equally appropriately cheesy dialogue and sex scene to insert, not to mention sugary romance lines. He's MY dream and that's what I want to see, GET IT? Go read Jackie Collins if you don't know how to do that!"
Haggis: (
) "Yes Barbara, you won't be disappointed."
I started swearing at her the moment she picked Craig and I don't think I ever stopped since. The above is I'm pretty sure a quite faithful account of how things went