CR vs ST

Post by **FormerBondFan** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:37 pm

Which reboot divided fans more? CR or ST.

katied · Post by **katied** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:46 pm

CR,for sure.

Captain Nash · Post by **Captain Nash** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:32 am

I'd say ST.
Only a small band of fans seems to have been turned off the Bondwagon.
Yet there appear to be countless fans and general members of the public that feel ST was a let down.

Post by **Kristatos** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:52 am

They were both divisive, but if you look at their respective box office numbers relative to their franchise, ST became the biggest grossing of the Star Trek movies, even when adjusted for inflation, whereas CR sold 2 million fewer tickets than its predecessor in the US alone.

Post by **FormerBondFan** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:44 pm

Captain Nash wrote:I'd say ST.
Only a small band of fans seems to have been turned off the Bondwagon.
Yet there appear to be countless fans and general members of the public that feel ST was a let down.

I have one friend in facebook who is die-hard Trekkie, and he told me that ST is the worthless piece of crap he has ever seen and does not feel like a Trek movie. And he added that Nemesis and Insurrection were bad, but they're still Trek.

BTW, what's your view in ST Nash?

Post by **FormerBondFan** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:46 pm

Kristatos wrote:They were both divisive, but if you look at their respective box office numbers relative to their franchise, ST became the biggest grossing of the Star Trek movies, even when adjusted for inflation, whereas CR sold 2 million fewer tickets than its predecessor in the US alone.

So far, ST makes money than any other reboots in the US market while CR makes more worldwide.

katied · Post by **katied** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:56 pm

Both Trekkies and Bond fans can be pretty fanboyish. But IMO Bond fans are just that *little* bit more obsessive than Trekkies.

Post by **Kristatos** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:39 pm

katied wrote:Both Trekkies and Bond fans can be pretty fanboyish. But IMO Bond fans are just that *little* bit more obsessive than Trekkies.

Umm...I don't ever recall hearing of any James Bond conventions where people go dressed in tuxedos.

Post by **FormerBondFan** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:38 pm

There are ST purists out there who really hated the new Trek.

katied · Post by **katied** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:23 pm

I liked the Star Trek movie,and I'm not a fan at all.

As for the wearing tuxedos thing..no,not at conventions.But I have seen pictures of groups of Bond fans wearing tuxedos.

John Drake · Post by **John Drake** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:39 pm

FormerBondFan wrote:Which reboot divided fans more? CR or ST.

Star Trek did its own thing and was a real prequel so it was easier for me to accept although I prefer the established ST universe. CR was heralded as a reboot/prequel where we would see how a young Bond got started and picked up some of his more famous habits and traits. Not a bad idea but laughable with the actor they picked. Even a 45 year-old Roger Moore on debut in LALD looked more youthful than DC in Casino Royale.

Post by **FormerBondFan** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:42 pm

John Drake wrote:
FormerBondFan wrote:Which reboot divided fans more? CR or ST.
Star Trek did its own thing and was a real prequel so it was easier for me to accept although I prefer the established ST universe.

With Spock and Nero traveled back in time from the TNG timeframe, ST is considered as a sequel.

John Drake · Post by **John Drake** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:28 pm

They've spun these characters off into a different timeline though haven't they? I've only seen this when it came out so I might have to watch it on DVD soon to see how I feel second time around.

katied · Post by **katied** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:17 am

I've got the most recent ST movie on my Netflix queue.I liked it enough that I want to watch it again.

Post by **James** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:27 pm

Captain Nash wrote:I'd say ST.
Only a small band of fans seems to have been turned off the Bondwagon.
Yet there appear to be countless fans and general members of the public that feel ST was a let down.

My impression was that ST recieved widespread praise. The reviews I read were exceptionally positive.

katied · Post by **katied** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:54 pm

I have a hard time believing that there were only a small amount of Bond fans that have been turned off of the series.

Post by **carl stromberg** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:36 pm

Star Trek seemed to annoy Trek fans more. Star Trek was a film for people who were a little bored by the last few films and TV shows and non-Trek fans liked it. Casino Royale was also an attempt to appeal to non-bond fans, those who do not like James Bond films. Casino Royale was strange as those Bond fans who like the Fleming novels and two of the Connery films loved it and Daniel Craig's glum portrayal.

Audiences tired of the Bond reboot with QOS and want the suave, handsome Bond, gadgets etc back. Perhaps the next Star Trek film will disappoint too.

Post by **FormerBondFan** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:06 pm

carl stromberg wrote:Perhaps the next Star Trek film will disappoint too.

So it's going to end up like the odd numbered Trek films?

Post by **FormerBondFan** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:45 pm

I think the best way to reduce resistance in the Trek community is making another Trek TV series set after Nemesis in the prime (original) timeline.

katied · Post by **katied** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:41 am

Wish they could do that with teh Bond films...but no matter what there are going to be people that hate it(stating the obvious, I know!)

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