QOS Falls Behind DAD at US Box Office

[HeavenBoy]

As of the second weekend of their releases, QOS has grossed $109,483,000 and DAD grossed $101,379,700. In inflation-adjusted dollars that puts DAD at $122,045,330. Although in 2008 dollars QOS did have a better opening by about $10m million, the gross has been dropping off faster than DAD and CR since its opening weekend largely due to bad word of mouth and some competition from two films targeted at youth audiences.

At the rate it is losing interest, it is entirely possibly for the total US gross of QOS to fall short of DAD or CR, even without adjusting the gross of the latter two films for inflation. My personal feedback is similar to Roger Moore's take, too much violence and no charm or humor. Considering that they pushed up the budget so high for this one, Sony/MGM can't be happy about this.

[Mazer Rackham]

That and DAD is a $196m US movie in 2008 prices.

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Roughly adjusted for the average ticket price 2008
DAD US opening $57,559,592.88

Brozza Worldwide roughly adjusted 2008
GE$574,896,000
TND $534,540,000
TWINE $545,868,000
DAD $556,488,000

[The Sweeney]

That and DAD is a $196m US movie in 2008 prices.

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Roughly adjusted for the average ticket price 2008
DAD US opening $57,559,592.88

Brozza Worldwide roughly adjusted 2008
GE$574,896,000
TND $534,540,000
TWINE $545,868,000
DAD $556,488,000

How much did CR make with 2008 prices..?

[HeavenBoy]

That and DAD is a $196m US movie in 2008 prices.

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Roughly adjusted for the average ticket price 2008
DAD US opening $57,559,592.88

Brozza Worldwide roughly adjusted 2008
GE$574,896,000
TND $534,540,000
TWINE $545,868,000
DAD $556,488,000

How much did CR make with 2008 prices..?

Casino Royale made $179,881,280 US and DAD made $193,750.37 US.

I don't quite agree with the figures for the world wide gross of Brosnan's films because they do not account for fluctuations in currency exchange. If they did, they would be considerably larger. The dollar was much, much stronger against other world currencies in 2002. This fluctuation also accounts for the size of the foreign grosses for both of Craig's films. They are inflated relative to past films mostly because of the weak dollar, but also because his films did do better in the UK than previous films.

There should be concern with QOS because the second weekend drop off of its US box office seems to be the biggest drop off of any Bond movie since Octopussy.

[Mazer Rackham]

DAD was 196m with 2008s ticket average . But you are right my rough calculations are based on ticket sales and average US ticket price. I'm surprised anybody noticed

[Mazer Rackham]

As of the second weekend of their releases, QOS has grossed $109,483,000 and DAD grossed $101,379,700. In inflation-adjusted dollars that puts DAD at $122,045,330. Although in 2008 dollars QOS did have a better opening by about $10m million, the gross has been dropping off faster than DAD and CR since its opening weekend largely due to bad word of mouth and some competition from two films targeted at youth audiences.

At the rate it is losing interest, it is entirely possibly for the total US gross of QOS to fall short of DAD or CR, even without adjusting the gross of the latter two films for inflation. My personal feedback is similar to Roger Moore's take, too much violence and no charm or humor. Considering that they pushed up the budget so high for this one, Sony/MGM can't be happy about this.

It should be mentioned that QOS had larger drop than Bourne and lower 10 day (131.6m 10 day tally versus Quarks 109.5m)

[HeavenBoy]

QOS US Box office may very well crap out at $150 million or lower. Considering the $200 million budget that will not speak well for the future of this iteration of Bond. Even with the gangbuster business overseas, if your American gross don't pass your film budget, the film is considered a flop in Hollywood.

Given the great awareness of Bond as a pop icon, there is no reason these films could be doing Indiana Jones level business. Crystal Skull did over $317 million stateside and it had a $185 million budget and its hero was looking very much the grandpa.

[Kristatos]

QOS US Box office may very well crap out at $150 million or lower. Considering the $200 million budget that will not speak well for the future of this iteration of Bond. Even with the gangbuster business overseas, if your American gross don't pass your film budget, the film is considered a flop in Hollywood.

I suspect that Bond 23 will have a significantly reduced budget, much like the proposed Superman Returns sequel.

[HeavenBoy]

QOS US Box office may very well crap out at $150 million or lower. Considering the $200 million budget that will not speak well for the future of this iteration of Bond. Even with the gangbuster business overseas, if your American gross don't pass your film budget, the film is considered a flop in Hollywood.

I suspect that Bond 23 will have a significantly reduced budget, much like the proposed Superman Returns sequel.

When LTK flopped, EON pretty much let people form their own opinions which pretty much allowed poor Tim Dalton to be thrown under the bus and take the blame. They will do the same thing to Craig when QOS tanks in the US Box Office. I think we're talking reboot here with a more popular actor like Clive Owen or Gerard Butler. Maybe even a DAF comeback for PB.

[The Sweeney]

QOS US Box office may very well crap out at $150 million or lower. Considering the $200 million budget that will not speak well for the future of this iteration of Bond. Even with the gangbuster business overseas, if your American gross don't pass your film budget, the film is considered a flop in Hollywood.

I suspect that Bond 23 will have a significantly reduced budget, much like the proposed Superman Returns sequel.

When LTK flopped, EON pretty much let people form their own opinions which pretty much allowed poor Tim Dalton to be thrown under the bus and take the blame. They will do the same thing to Craig when QOS tanks in the US Box Office. I think we're talking reboot here with a more popular actor like Clive Owen or Gerard Butler. Maybe even a DAF comeback for PB.

Brosnan back. No way on earth. I will gladly bet you here and now that Brosnan returning in an EON Bond film will NEVER happen!

[katied]

As much as I respect Pierce..him coming back?Not.Gonna.Happen.

[Kristatos]

When LTK flopped, EON pretty much let people form their own opinions which pretty much allowed poor Tim Dalton to be thrown under the bus and take the blame.

Sigh. Will this myth ever be put to bed? Cubby wanted Dalton back for Goldeneye, but he declined to renew his contract, which had expired during the time that no Bond films were being made (due to legal wranglings with Kevin McClory and Sony, not because of LTK's poor box office showing). Had it not been for McClory, we would most likely have seen a third Dalton film done in a less gritty, more escapist style, sometime around 1991.

[Mazer Rackham]

When LTK flopped, EON pretty much let people form their own opinions which pretty much allowed poor Tim Dalton to be thrown under the bus and take the blame.

Sigh. Will this myth ever be put to bed? Cubby wanted Dalton back for Goldeneye, but he declined to renew his contract, which had expired during the time that no Bond films were being made (due to legal wranglings with Kevin McClory and Sony, not because of LTK's poor box office showing). Had it not been for McClory, we would most likely have seen a third Dalton film done in a less gritty, more escapist style, sometime around 1991.

Um, no. Not without Cubby self financing. The backers were not sold on another Dalton project and wanted to replace him.
If McClory's intervention never happened a Dalton 3rd was still a long shot.
GoldenEye may have been commissioned with the writers imaging Dalton in the role but the backers were not going to fund it if he was.

Here's the link. I edited it down to the important portions.

Message for Craig in Bond close call
Concerned about dwindling box-office receipts for films in the late 1980s starring Timothy Dalton, the estate of 007’s creator, Ian Fleming, was warned of “grave doubts” that another Bond movie would ever be made

In a series of letters to the estate’s solicitors, Maidment said that the way Dalton was portraying Bond was alienating fans.

In 1992, three years before Pierce Brosnan replaced Dalton as 007, Maidment wrote: “Despite the exercise of a further option before April 2, 1992, the prospect of a further Bond film seems highly uncertain. I pointed out in my 1984 valuation that there was a big question mark over the future of James Bond films. The last two pictures have starred Timothy Dalton but sadly the results have, unfortunately, not had the same box-office success.”

Three years earlier, Maidment had specifically highlighted Dalton’s characterisation as a factor for the declining appeal of the films.

relative incomes have fallen when Timothy Dalton took over and the producers have indicated that they do not expect profits from the last three pictures.

"Without a star big enough to take the leading role and no indication of what the cost would be, I still have grave doubts that (another Bond movie) will be produced.”

Licence to Kill, which starred Dalton in June 1989, had failed to recoup its initial investment after seven years.

In 1989, in a reply to a letter from the estate’s lawyer asking what he thought of casting a “Pierce Brosnan”, Maidment prophetically said that he thought the move would enhance the franchise value.

[Mazer Rackham]

QOS US Box office may very well crap out at $150 million or lower. Considering the $200 million budget that will not speak well for the future of this iteration of Bond. Even with the gangbuster business overseas, if your American gross don't pass your film budget, the film is considered a flop in Hollywood.

I suspect that Bond 23 will have a significantly reduced budget, much like the proposed Superman Returns sequel.

When LTK flopped, EON pretty much let people form their own opinions which pretty much allowed poor Tim Dalton to be thrown under the bus and take the blame. They will do the same thing to Craig when QOS tanks in the US Box Office. I think we're talking reboot here with a more popular actor like Clive Owen or Gerard Butler. Maybe even a DAF comeback for PB.

I doubt a DAF comeback for Brozza. But it could happen.
He may still want his fifth and they may want the BO it could bring.

One way I can see a project like that working is if they met the age issue head on and do compelling Bond story. I would suggest a Bond where he, to his surprise, makes it to 50, his life and challenges. Perhaps recognize he is the old guard for dieing way of life.
Nah! Way too Haggis!!! Next thing you know they have Bond wondering what to do with the rebellious teenage girl of Vespers he adopted.

Give Brozza a good story and quality production and he'll bring the rest and the audience won't mind as long as it's good. In a way Craig prove that audiences don't care what a leading Bond actor looks like

[Kristatos]

Next thing you know they have Bond wondering what to do with the rebellious teenage girl of Vesper's he adopted.

I know what Bond would do with her

Sorry, too Woody Allen?

[Mazer Rackham]

Next thing you know they have Bond wondering what to do with the rebellious teenage girl of Vesper's he adopted.

I know what Bond would do with her

Sorry, too Woody Allen?

Too Craig

You know Bond struggled with the idea of taking advantage of Honey Ryder in Doctor No becasue of her youth. Thankfully she took the decision out of his hands and she was older than 18 I believe.

[HeavenBoy]

The reason I am open to any possibility, including a Brosnan return is that they have made two movies with Craig so far.

In the US, CR fell short of DAD in inflation-adjusted dollar both at the box office and in terms of DVD sales and tie-in marketing revenues. When Pierce was Bond his face was all over the US in magazine ads, billboards, store displays and the like. Now QOS is looking like it will make less than CR and DAD. Irregardless of how well the films do overseas, they will pretty much do that kind of business regardless of who is playing Bond. In the US however, there were a great deal of traditional Bond fans who stayed home for CR and now even more for QOS.

Oddly enough, I have noticed that most of the people who really like Craig were not Bond fans before, but I suppose these films are not drawing enough of these new Bond fans to replace the old ones.

With a more popular, telegenic actor and better scripts, there should be no reason why these films easily hit $250,000,000 in the US in todays dollars.

[Kristatos]

Hmmm. The US isn't the be all and end all. QOS needs to make $600 million in order to make a profit. It has already made over $400 million worldwide with Australia, New Zealand, Japan and large parts of Latin America still to open. Whilst I'm sure that a 40% second weekend drop in the UK and a 60% drop in the US will set alarm bells ringing, it is too early to write the film off just yet. What's more, nobody seems to be blaming Craig for the film's failures. As I said, I think the most likely outcome is that Craggy will still be there for Bond 23, but that it won't have a $200 million budget. A lower-key, CR-style film with more talk and less action seems more likely than a Brosnan comeback to me, sad to say.

[katied]

Next thing you know they have Bond wondering what to do with the rebellious teenage girl of Vesper's he adopted.

I know what Bond would do with her



Sorry, too Woody Allen?

Or Roman Polanski

[HeavenBoy]

Hmmm. The US isn't the be all and end all. QOS needs to make $600 million in order to make a profit. It has already made over $400 million worldwide with Australia, New Zealand, Japan and large parts of Latin America still to open. Whilst I'm sure that a 40% second weekend drop in the UK and a 60% drop in the US will set alarm bells ringing, it is too early to write the film off just yet. What's more, nobody seems to be blaming Craig for the film's failures. As I said, I think the most likely outcome is that Craggy will still be there for Bond 23, but that it won't have a $200 million budget. A lower-key, CR-style film with more talk and less action seems more likely than a Brosnan comeback to me, sad to say.

I think blaming Craig for anything became politically incorrect thanks to this website and its former iterations. Be that as it may, Hollywood people are very much like the high rollers who inhabit Las Vegas. Of course they never like to lose money, who does? Even when these characters are up against the casino, they have a hard time stopping their play or switching to smaller bets. Even when they do switch to small bets, this doesn't last long if they are still winning, because they feel like they are losing money on each play.

In terms of its positive name recognition and its position as a pop icon, the Bond brand is simply not bringing in the money it could be. If the Hollywood bigwigs feel that is true, they will press for big changes again after seeing two Bond films in a row lose money compared to DAD; or in the case of QOS, lose money outright. Of course this does not necessarily mean the return of PB; however there will be pressure to make a film with whomever can draw the biggest box office. I think it is clear that is not Craig.

I know people are going to come back at me about the huge international gross CR had. Apart from the big business it did in the UK, most of the increase was from the weak dollar of 2006 as compared to 2002. If you adjusted DAD UK box office for the fluctuation in dollar and inflation, the end result would be 75% of CR's box office; nothing earth-shattering.