Bond 23 Release Date Set

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

Captain Nash wrote
]But surely before it's been made, or the trailers have come out. Is it not a little early to write it off?
Mendes doesn't scream Bond director, but he is a competent director, and I believe he can deliver the goods.
Time will tell.

I will not tolerate another Craig Bond movie. He is not Bond. He cannot play Bond .Even If the next one is another Goldfinger he will ruin it.

[Alessandra]

Captain Nash wrote
]But surely before it's been made, or the trailers have come out. Is it not a little early to write it off?
Mendes doesn't scream Bond director, but he is a competent director, and I believe he can deliver the goods.
Time will tell.

I will not tolerate another Craig Bond movie. He is not Bond. He cannot play Bond .Even If the next one is another Goldfinger he will ruin it.

LMAO! Thank you for making me laugh wholeheartedly. Love, Me.

Sadly the statement is also true. If I only begin to imagine Goldfinger with Craig...

[Captain Nash]

Captain Nash, the world is full of competent directors each in their own field, but that doesn't mean anything. I know many awesome independent movie directors, incredibly competent. They're certainly not fit to direct an action movie. An action movie requires specific abilities and an outlook that Mendes FOR SURE does not have since he's proven time and time again with his work that he is anything but an action movie director. Which means that at best ( ) we're getting another QoS. Minus the shaky camera, maybe? Bond movies aren't supposed to be artistic AT ALL. They're supposed to be well-made, stylish, witty entertaining action flicks. And Mendes with his CV certainly isn't the director to fit that bill. The best he can do is make an average action flick, seen as he has zero experience with action movies and zero interest in them or he would have made them as part of his career.

What's everyone's thoughts on Michael Apted, and TWINE?
The reason I ask is that Apted is not known for action movies. And as with all Bond films , the action stuff is directed by the second unit. The director films everything else, as well as small action scenes such as fist fights and simple action.
By using a director such as Apted, Forster or Tama....skip that last one. And now Mendes, they have used directors who are more competent with the drama, and the acting.
Unlike an action director, Michael Bay, George Lucas both spring to mind, that wouldn't know a good performance if it bit them in the a$$.
It's a very tough balance, but like I've said before, time will tell.

[Alessandra]

Michael Apted didn't have NEARLY as much liberty with TWINE as Forster had with QoS. Times have very much changed and back then? Absolutely no way for the director to make an all "oh internal struggle, oh artsy, oh shaky cam" Bond movie. Not to mention Apted wasn't that type at all. He hadn't done much action but he wasn't an "artsy at all costs" director at all. Instead, Mendes is, very much like Forster was.

I very well know the action stuff is directed by the second unit. Who in the hell you think picks the second unit AND most of all decides the shooting style with them? Spider Man? Second unit films what the director wants in the context of the movie, not what they want. That's why the second unit stuff in QoS SUCKED. And that's why it didn't when instead Martin Campbell was the director. And it didn't when Apted filmed because he didn't have NEARLY as much as creative liberty as Forster did and because he was never, ever a crazyass artsy type like Forster. He's always been MUCH more grounded. Heck, he filmed Bring on the Night for Sting, which is far from being all artsy, it's a very well put-together, fun, solid story about the band they formed and their first concert. With no script. He was told to make a Bond movie and he delivered by following precise Bond standards, that CLEARLY were nowhere to be seen in QoS, and that will all the same nowhere to be seen in the next one, seen as this is the direction stupid Broccoli has taken the franchise into.

[The Sweeney]

Interesting talking about the second unit for QoS. It ws an experiment which didn't really work, but give EON/Forster their credit I suppose for trying it out anyway. In the end, the contrast between Forster's pretentious arthouse style, and Dan Bradley's shaky cam Bourne style didn't gel together in the same movie.

Bradley shaky cam works within the context of a Greengrass movie, as their styles are so similar, so the audience is conditioned throughout the movie to expect that kind of action style, which has now defined the Bourne era, the same way Young/Hunt/Barry/Adam, etc. defined the early Bond era.

I actually thought Bourne style action could work within in a Bond film, but QoS proved me wrong....

[Captain Nash]

Interesting talking about the second unit for QoS. It ws an experiment which didn't really work, but give EON/Forster their credit I suppose for trying it out anyway. In the end, the contrast between Forster's pretentious arthouse style, and Dan Bradley's shaky cam Bourne style didn't gel together in the same movie.

Bradley shaky cam works within the context of a Greengrass movie, as their styles are so similar, so the audience is conditioned throughout the movie to expect that kind of action style, which has now defined the Bourne era, the same way Young/Hunt/Barry/Adam, etc. defined the early Bond era.

I actually thought Bourne style action could work within in a Bond film, but QoS proved me wrong....

The whole artsy style that Forster tried to bring to Bond was...well...sh!t.
Bond isn't artsy stuff. It's not supposed to be. Mendes does have the ability to create a good Bond film if he wants to.
And with QOS being critically bashed by the press and fans, you can bet the studio and EON WILL BE keeping a MUCH closer eye on the ENTIRE project.

BTW - Good to see ya Sweenster.

[Powder Puff]

Such a pity that Daniel Craig is coming back again. I believe the old Bond series died when Casino Royale was released.

[Alessandra]

Interesting talking about the second unit for QoS. It ws an experiment which didn't really work, but give EON/Forster their credit I suppose for trying it out anyway. In the end, the contrast between Forster's pretentious arthouse style, and Dan Bradley's shaky cam Bourne style didn't gel together in the same movie.

Bradley shaky cam works within the context of a Greengrass movie, as their styles are so similar, so the audience is conditioned throughout the movie to expect that kind of action style, which has now defined the Bourne era, the same way Young/Hunt/Barry/Adam, etc. defined the early Bond era.

I actually thought Bourne style action could work within in a Bond film, but QoS proved me wrong....

Well it's good to hear there are people who did see that even with good expectations about it, certain things just don't belong in a Bond movie.

I always thought Bond should NEVER have had anything to do with Bourne whatsoever. Bond is Bond exactly because it isn't Bourne or any other regular joe action man at all. The problem is that Forster is an artsy director, and he obviously decided he wanted a certain type of scene in the movie, which Bradley delivered. Well, it sucked. If they had learnt the lesson they would NOT have picked another artsy at all costs director, but instead an actual action movie director, since, as I've said, Bond movies are NOT supposed to be artsy but to be enjoyable action flicks. Instead they went back the same exact route with Mendes. So clearly, they're too full of themselves to learn the lesson. Which begs the question "will they only learn when a movie tanks at the box office?" Because if that's the case, well we're screwed either way. If it tanks, the franchise is in danger, and if it doesn't, they'll keep on going QoS-style for longer.

The only saving grace here are the new partners and the really bad financial situation MGM is in. So there's an actual chance things improve at the very least for Bond 24 if not for this one already, because the dreaded Broccoli spawn just won't have as much power.

[katied]

I doubt that EON learned much from the failing of QOS. And not to be a downer, but it looks like Bond 23 is going to be a steaming pile of QOS

[Dr. No]

Interesting talking about the second unit for QoS. It ws an experiment which didn't really work, but give EON/Forster their credit I suppose for trying it out anyway. In the end, the contrast between Forster's pretentious arthouse style, and Dan Bradley's shaky cam Bourne style didn't gel together in the same movie.

Bradley shaky cam works within the context of a Greengrass movie, as their styles are so similar, so the audience is conditioned throughout the movie to expect that kind of action style, which has now defined the Bourne era, the same way Young/Hunt/Barry/Adam, etc. defined the early Bond era.

I actually thought Bourne style action could work within in a Bond film, but QoS proved me wrong....

The whole artsy style that Forster tried to bring to Bond was...well...sh!t.
Bond isn't artsy stuff. It's not supposed to be. Mendes does have the ability to create a good Bond film if he wants to.
And with QOS being critically bashed by the press and fans, you can bet the studio and EON WILL BE keeping a MUCH closer eye on the ENTIRE project.

BTW - Good to see ya Sweenster.

It's not like they sent Craig off to camp and he came back 6 months later with a film, they were on set overseeing it every step of the way. From what the writer who quit said and what his expectation are of the new director it is not a good match for Bond. Neither is Craig or the depressing direction set out on in CR but what the hay. I am more worried about a DAD 2 50 years of Bond and they try to cram it in one movie. From what I;ve read the attempt made in the last one sucked and I wasn't impressed at all by how they treated the history of Bond in teh first one. Do I look like I give a d**n? no and now neither do I.

Anyway Craig will blast off in a jetpack from a db5 on the back of a big rig doing a wheelie to save the world from a frogurt shortage and sharks with frickin laser beams attached to their heads! All in matrix style reality grid

The problem is I don't think eon know what they want to do and by experimenting with unproven directors they are in danger of hurting the series. I am more than convinced they exist in a bubble outside of the mainstream and the reason QOS happened at all was they couldn't see how bad it was because to them it wasn't bad. DAD they kept tacking things on, I still enjoy the movie because it is a Bond movie, where as I did not enjoy CR and will never bother to see QOS. I strayed a bit but my point was they coudln't tell when they were going to far then, got too depressing in CR and too whatever in QOS. I think they are so insulated they can't tell what is actually happening or how what they make is actually looks to us on teh outside. Paying attention to critics is one thing but they have taken it too far before. Not talking about the last 9 year but in the history of the series.

"Good to see ya Sweenster. " Seconded

[katied]

Anyway Craig will blast off in a jetpack from a db5 on the back of a big rig doing a wheelie to save the world from a frogurt shortage and sharks with frickin laser beams attached to their heads! All in matrix style reality grid

ROTFLOL because it's probably not too far from the truth!

The problem is I don't think eon know what they want to do and by experimenting with unproven directors they are in danger of hurting the series. I am more than convinced they exist in a bubble outside of the mainstream and the reason QOS happened at all was they couldn't see how bad it was because to them it wasn't bad

"Existing in a bubble" is the perfect description for it.And they're willfully ignorant, *plus* they hired a director(in the case of QOS) that was completely wrong.

[The Sweeney]

Cheers Dr. No and Nash.....here's to you.

[English Agent]

Not another bleedin November release!

Ever since LTK got blitzed by Lethal Weapon 2 in July 1989, the Bond producers have been terrified to ever try to release one of their films in this time slot again. Whether wise or not, i'am not sure, BUT............
I know the studio likes the thanksgiving slot, as they avoid the summer blockbusters, but releasing a picture during the 'Fall' * is not much better either as if you open early in November it gives basically a film only 1 week to gather as much dosh quickly, before the next blockbuster comes along and takes away most of the business (but this also applies to the summer schedule).
Does anyone think a late Spring slot in the US would be a good time to open a future Bond film?

EA

For reference:-

* The period after summer is called 'AUTUMN' not 'FALL'......in England 'fall' means for example 'to fall out of a tree'

[Alessandra]

Not another bleedin November release!

Ever since LTK got blitzed by Lethal Weapon 2 in July 1989, the Bond producers have been terrified to ever try to release one of their films in this time slot again. Whether wise or not, i'am not sure, BUT............
I know the studio likes the thanksgiving slot, as they avoid the summer blockbusters, but releasing a picture during the 'Fall' * is not much better either as if you open early in November it gives basically a film only 1 week to gather as much dosh quickly, before the next blockbuster comes along and takes away most of the business (but this also applies to the summer schedule).
Does anyone think a late Spring slot in the US would be a good time to open a future Bond film?

EA

For reference:-

* The period after summer is called 'AUTUMN' not 'FALL'......in England 'fall' means for example 'to fall out of a tree'

They won't have a week this time. Two days is all they have. Nov 11 is the release date for Immortals as well as Adam Sandler and Katie Holmes's new comedy blockbuster. So they have a total of 2 days standing. Which clearly isn't even remotely enough. I think they are out of their minds picking such a release date. It also CLEARLY looks like a desperate move to be in November at all costs because people go see movies then and the cash is big, but try and avoid the competition because they know they can't stand against it. It's just stupid. I think Easter would be a good time for a Bond release in the US. Before it gets too warm and people go to the beach instead of going to the movies LOL. But away from the summer blockbusters and from the Thanksgiving competition (that already made QoS take a beating last time around).

[oscartheman]

When I was a young man it was always a June July release with few exceptions.TMWGG was one I remember it didn't do very well either.Somewhere around GE the sweet spot was found for fall movies and it became an industry.Here in the States it works well for families with kids on scool vacation as an escape.I think the producers are too scared to move the date back to summer.Why risk it the fall is easy to milk?Memorial Day is where I'd put a Bond release but not with Craig a new Bond who people would be more curious to see.Last 2 Novembers they got away with little to no competition as a result got nearly 2 months near the top,if they can pull off November 2012 they have alot more competition for the first time since Brosnan's movies went up against major Hollywood earners like Titanic and Potter.Then there is the problem of following up a lemon far as the world is concerned.

[English Agent]

Ale

Yes, i agree, i think Easter could be a very good release slot for a Bond film, not only in the US but elsewhere as well.
I mean generally Easter is between the end of March to the middle of April, so the film would be released at a time when many countries have several days holiday, the dead period of early winter is over, and the start of the summer blockbuster season in May is a little ahead.
Basically i think a big film launched at Easter should find a big enough audience to itself with not too much competition.
I'am sure the market strategists at the film studios look at this, but i also get the impression that studios also get stuck in their heads the same release period, if a previous film has done well at that time.

EA

[FormerBondFan]

When I was a young man it was always a June July release with few exceptions.TMWGG was one I remember it didn't do very well either.Somewhere around GE the sweet spot was found for fall movies and it became an industry.Here in the States it works well for families with kids on scool vacation as an escape.I think the producers are too scared to move the date back to summer.Why risk it the fall is easy to milk?Memorial Day is where I'd put a Bond release but not with Craig a new Bond who people would be more curious to see.Last 2 Novembers they got away with little to no competition as a result got nearly 2 months near the top,if they can pull off November 2012 they have alot more competition for the first time since Brosnan's movies went up against major Hollywood earners like Titanic and Potter.Then there is the problem of following up a lemon far as the world is concerned.

Holiday season of next year will be crowded with monsters, vampires, and Middle-Earth creatures. Superman will be there also.

[Alessandra]

Ale

Yes, i agree, i think Easter could be a very good release slot for a Bond film, not only in the US but elsewhere as well.
I mean generally Easter is between the end of March to the middle of April, so the film would be released at a time when many countries have several days holiday, the dead period of early winter is over, and the start of the summer blockbuster season in May is a little ahead.
Basically i think a big film launched at Easter should find a big enough audience to itself with not too much competition.
I'am sure the market strategists at the film studios look at this, but i also get the impression that studios also get stuck in their heads the same release period, if a previous film has done well at that time.

EA

EA, yeah I agree. They probably consider other times but they don't go in because of habit and psychological reasons. One reason is that releasing a movie for Thanksgiving shows you have a strong movie (or rather, shows you believe you have one). Except they pathetically try to pick November but not when you go up against others (the actually super strong ones are all being released Nov.13 to Nov. 18). Immortals is being released on Nov. 11 because of the date 11-11-11, it's been a specific pick for that reason, the producers and distributor agreed with the director on it. Otherwise it would have been in the same week as the other big ones. But Nov. 9? To me it makes no sense whatsoever.

I agree if they launched the movie at Easter they'd have time to build up an audience, with not too much competition. I think they don't do it because the projected income for that time of the year isn't nearly as much as the Thanksgiving one. And as we know, they go where the money is. Except, this time around especially, they risk ending up with less money than they'd make at another time of the year. God knows, I swear I will never get the logic. Probably because there's none, I should bear in mind Babs is who she is

Holiday season of next year will be crowded with monsters, vampires, and Middle-Earth creatures. Superman will be there also.

I was saying this yesterday, they picked the possibly WORST timing of the whole season. It would have been better to release it at Christmas at that point.

Bond is out Nov. 9. It has two days (precious nothing) before "Immortals" with Cavill and "Jack and Jill" with Sandler and Katie Holmes. Nov. 18 is Twilight and Happy Feet 2, and that means from there on, only the crumbs for other movies, we all know it. And Nov. 23 is Arthur Christmas, The Muppets, Rise of the Apes and Project X. Buh-bye Bond 23 at that point. I think it's literally suicidal to do release Bond 23 on Nov. 9. Already they don't stand on much of a ground since QoS was awful (and it didn't do well in the US at all), yet they pick this release date? I think they are once again being way too confident. So, the QoS lesson wasn't learnt at all I'm afraid.

[katied]

Holiday season of next year will be crowded with monsters, vampires, and Middle-Earth creatures. Superman will be there also.

I said this in another thread but..terrible timing. Good luck to Bond 23.With all the other movies coming out then(especially the Hobbit, which I'm more excited about than anything else),it'll get buried.After QOS they are going to have to come up with something pretty amazing.

[English Agent]

It does seem that Bond 23 will have its work cutout next year, against many films which will offer a great variety of genres for people to see.

Even if Bond 23 is very good, the fact that there will be so many offerings in the same month, will allow people to be distracted to see other films even just for curiosties sake.

I think that one of the reasons why November is picked by studios for a release date, is if the film is good and has legs to still attract an audience through the early-mid December period, then a film can pick up quite worthwhile grosses through the xmas and new year period, which for example CR managed to do, but QOS didn't.

Why do Bond films have to do global release at the same time, anyway. Surely there could be other strategies.

Any ideas here?

EA