QOS Falls Behind DAD at US Box Office

[Mazer Rackham]

I checked Box Office Mojo. The top film of the year in both Uruguay and Venezuela was Kung Fu Panda, whose combined box office total in both countries was less than $5 million. DAD and CR both made around $18 million in Japan. So I think its safe to conclude that the territories where QOS has yet to open won't add more than $25 million to the overall box office.

Probably dead on with your analysis

[X3C]

Maybe even a DAF comeback for PB.

Yes, I can see that happening....

That's just childish, posting pictures like that.

Cough.

'Nice hair'. But that image of Brosnan doesn't make Craig look any better.

Putin looks younger and a 'bit' better than Craig

Looks like Putin look more Russian 'Bondish' than Craig





QOS BO at present: $492,071,523

[HeavenBoy]

As of now the film has grossed $151,468,000 in the states and is dropping an average of 68% per day this week.

Go to the following link at boxofficemojo.com.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/ ... urnevs.htm

QOS has been earning less per day than both CR and DAD for a week now, and that's not even adjusting the latter two for inflation. At this rate it is doubtful though not impossible that QOS will reach the inflation-adjusted total box office of either of its predecessors.

My prediction for QOS: $170 M USA and $350 foreign with $520 M total, placing it between TWINE and OHMSS; that's a 19% drop from CR, almost as big as the drop of 25% from TLD to LTK. Its too bad they ran up a $200 M budget, plus the cost of Sony's famous marketing programs. Considering that CR drew $640 M on $161 M budget (inflation adjusted), the net profit for QOS could drop off $159 M.

[HeavenBoy]

Update:

It looks as if QOS has petered out pretty much where I thought at $168 million. It is the first Bond film I know of that has not recovered its cost from the American gross.

The final results of the American gross, with inflation, for the last three Bond films are:

QOS - $168,368,427, foreign gross: $405,798,772 ($200,000,000 budget)

CR - $176,437,000, foreign gross: $449,710,000 (2007 US gross: $167,445,960, foreign gross: $426,793,106, $150,000,000 budget)

DAD - $190,039,000, foreign gross: $320,030,000 (2003 US gross: $160,942,139, foreign gross: $271,028,977, $142,000,000 budget)

Conclusions? Whether you want to blame the failing economy or not, after two films it is clear that in America, Brosnan remains more popular than his Bond successor Craig.

[katied]

^I'm sure people elsewhere would fight you on that one,but the numbers don't lie.

[crusading_saint]

in America, Brosnan remains more popular than his Bond successor Craig.

I've never denied that - but the total gross for the Craig films worldwide is much, much stronger. That is, in ALL markets, US included, the Craig films are getting more admissions than the Brosnan movies. Worldwide, he's more popular, I'm sorry to say...
Oh, and it's not the first Bond movie to gross lower than its budget in the US - TWINE did not do so, either (it grossed $126m versus a budget of $135m).
The US is not the major market for Bond movies - they've always made the lion's share of their gross (70% or more is not unusual) outside there. If EON were depending on the US market primarily, they'd have been in trouble years ago...

[The Sweeney]

Nice one! I wonder what heavenboy makes of that..........

[Kristatos]

in America, Brosnan remains more popular than his Bond successor Craig.

I've never denied that - but the total gross for the Craig films worldwide is much, much stronger. That is, in ALL markets, US included, the Craig films are getting more admissions than the Brosnan movies.

Not true. I'm no longer a BOM Premier Pass member, so I can't view ticket sales for QOS, but I do remember that CR sold 2 million fewer tickets in the US than DAD.

[Kristatos]

OK, I may not be able to view the "official" figures, but I did a rough calculation based on dividing the box office gross by the average ticket price for the year ($7.20 in 2008, $6.55 in 2006). The totals I got, rounding up to the nearest whole number, were:

QOS - 23,384,504
CR - 25,564,269 (2,179,765 more)

I didn't do the calculations for the Brosnan films, but as I said, DAD sold around 2 million more than CR. So it is not true to say that Craig's films sold more tickets in the US than Brosnan's. And yes, I know the US isn't Bond's strongest market, I just report these numbers because they're easier to come by than international grosses.

[The Sweeney]

I wonder why QoS had a bigger opening than DAD??

[crusading_saint]

I didn't do the calculations for the Brosnan films, but as I said, DAD sold around 2 million more than CR. So it is not true to say that Craig's films sold more tickets in the US than Brosnan's. And yes, I know the US isn't Bond's strongest market, I just report these numbers because they're easier to come by than international grosses.

I didn't say he sold more tickets in the US - I said, I've never denied that Brosnan was more popular than Craig in the US - he is in terms of ticket sales, you are correct. What I said was, worldwide - in ALL markets, the US inclusive - Craig sells more tickets. The total ticket sales for Craig's movies worldwide are greater than those for Brosnan's movies. Brosnan might sell more tickets in the US, but taking all markets into account - Craig sells more in total.

[Kristatos]

I didn't say he sold more tickets in the US - I said, I've never denied that Brosnan was more popular than Craig in the US - he is in terms of ticket sales, you are correct. What I said was, worldwide - in ALL markets, the US inclusive - Craig sells more tickets. The total ticket sales for Craig's movies worldwide are greater than those for Brosnan's movies. Brosnan might sell more tickets in the US, but taking all markets into account - Craig sells more in total.

What you said was:

That is, in ALL markets, US included, the Craig films are getting more admissions than the Brosnan movies.

Emphasis mine.

[crusading_saint]

Yes, that means, if you take ALL markets together - total ticket sales for the entire world - which includes the US, naturally - the total ticket sales for the entire world is higher.

[stockslivevan]

I wonder why QoS had a bigger opening than DAD??

It came off the back of CR, which has been touted by many as one of the best bond films ever.

[The Sweeney]

I didn't say he sold more tickets in the US - I said, I've never denied that Brosnan was more popular than Craig in the US - he is in terms of ticket sales, you are correct. What I said was, worldwide - in ALL markets, the US inclusive - Craig sells more tickets. The total ticket sales for Craig's movies worldwide are greater than those for Brosnan's movies. Brosnan might sell more tickets in the US, but taking all markets into account - Craig sells more in total.

What you said was:

That is, in ALL markets, US included, the Craig films are getting more admissions than the Brosnan movies.

Emphasis mine.

Guys guys....we are splitting hairs here. Both Craig and Brozza are popular in the US and worldwide. It's starting to get pathetic if we scratch down to the base line of `well, he may be more popular worldwide, but he's not as popular in the US,' etc. It could be argued Craig is now more popular than Brozza due to his bigger opening weekend, and the drop-off could be down to the quality of QoS as a film....but who really cares!

Both were popular, worldwide and in the US. There is not a lot in it between either of them, and trying to make a debate out of it is pointless, IMO.

[Kristatos]

Yes, that means, if you take ALL markets together - total ticket sales for the entire world - which includes the US, naturally - the total ticket sales for the entire world is higher.

Ah, I see. I misunderstood, sorry.

[Kristatos]

It could be argued Craig is now more popular than Brozza due to his bigger opening weekend, and the drop-off could be down to the quality of QoS as a film....but who really cares!

The reason I keep banging on about the drop-offs is because I believe they have ominous implications for Bond 23. People seem content to swallow the hype about QOS being the BIGGEST GROSSING BOND FILM EVAH!!!11eleven without looking beyond the raw numbers and seeing the bigger picture. Once again: QOS's box office seems to have been almost entirely driven by CR's success. What's going to drive Bond 23 if QOS didn't resonate with audiences? Despite my dissatisfaction with Craig and the po-faced nature of the rebooted Bond, I don't want to see a flop that's going to kill the franchise, and I hope EON are smart enough to realize that Bond 23 is going to be a tougher sell than QOS was, and put more effort into winning back audiences dissatisfied with QOS instead of simply saying "Bond is back" and expecting the money to come rolling in.

[Capt. Sir Dominic Flandry]

Pierce Brosnan's Box Office figures are rather interesting:

(Worldwide figures adjusted for 2006 and nicked from the Klast website)

Goldeneye $463
Tomorrow Never Dies $421
The World Is Not Enough $437
Die Another Day $484

Brosnan had a drop off from GoldenEye with Tomorrow Never Dies. But the take was increased with his next movie, and Die Another Day made more than GoldenEye, which meant Brosnan was more popular than ever with his last film. One wonders how a fifth Brosnan swansong Bond would have done. Brosnan made Bond popular and Daniel Craig benefited from this with Casino Royale.

It remains to be seen if Daniel Craig can remain popular throughout his tenure. We will find out if he comes back for the 23rd Eon movie.

[katied]

It could be argued Craig is now more popular than Brozza due to his bigger opening weekend, and the drop-off could be down to the quality of QoS as a film....but who really cares!

The reason I keep banging on about the drop-offs is because I believe they have ominous implications for Bond 23. People seem content to swallow the hype about QOS being the BIGGEST GROSSING BOND FILM EVAH!!!11eleven without looking beyond the raw numbers and seeing the bigger picture. Once again: QOS's box office seems to have been almost entirely driven by CR's success. What's going to drive Bond 23 if QOS didn't resonate with audiences? Despite my dissatisfaction with Craig and the po-faced nature of the rebooted Bond, I don't want to see a flop that's going to kill the franchise, and I hope EON are smart enough to realize that Bond 23 is going to be a tougher sell than QOS was, and put more effort into winning back audiences dissatisfied with QOS instead of simply saying "Bond is back" and expecting the money to come rolling in.

I don't want Bond 23 to flop, but I'm being warily optimistic(with good reason)

[crusading_saint]

The reason I keep banging on about the drop-offs is because I believe they have ominous implications for Bond 23.

I disagree - QOS has dropped in worldwide admissions from CR, but that's not unusual for second Bond movies. Using Brosnan as an example - there was a drop in admissions from GE to TND of around 8% (from 81.2m to 75.5m), but it went back up again again for TWINE (77.1m). Just because audiences were dissatisfied with TND (relatively - those are still great numbers) didn't keep them away from TWINE. It just means they didn't like TND as much as GE - it wasn't symptomatic that they had tired of the Brosnan movies' approach, or that they were done with Bond, or whatever - especially after only two (both immensely successful) movies. It's down to the individual movies - people will turn up when they open, but long term prospects depend on the movies, and generally people liked TWINE better than TND.
And, of course, TND's numbers were equally driven by GE's success as QOS' are by CR's, one could argue
So, no, I don't think that this is an ominous implication. Bond 23 might gross more than QOS. It might not. It will depend on how people like it. Maybe Daniel Craig will never star in a Bond as well attended as his first - Pierce Brosnan never made a movie as well attended as GE. Roger Moore never made a Bond as well attended as LALD, believe it or not.
Here's a handy chart, incidentally, that gives you the worldwide attendance of the Bond movies:
http://k1bond007.shackspace.com/JamesBo ... ssions.png
(you have to manually type a space between 'James' and 'Bond')