The BJMDDS General Discussion Thread......

[Atticus]

Here is one in more natural light on the set of Spectre. He looks about 70.

Yeah, he looks 70 or 75. He could easily take on the role of one of those old-timers on Hee-Haw.

My brother, a professional photographer, mentioned the same thing about the natural light and the way it shows how Craig has aged significantly. He's aged the worst. The guy was old-looking from the get-go in CR and has steadily gotten worse, and to deny that is to be delusional. In all those photos above, he simply has the face of an old man. In the other photo where he's got a shiny veneer on his mug, it's so obvious they layered him with makeup. But the lines are still apparent. In the comparative photos, Connery in DAF does look older than he did in Dr. No, obviously. He's also at least 20 pounds heavier in DAF. But he's always looked "older" compared even to Moore in their hey-day, especially when he lost his hair and sported a moustache or a gray beard. With Moore: he was, I think, 44 in LALD and 57 in AVTAK. The guy was pushing 60 for his last one, and obviously there's a significant number of years in between those movies, so he's bound to have an aged face. A guy around 60 won't look the same as he did when he was 44. The ironic thing is, Craig already had that tired ageing face that Connery had in DAF for his first outing in CR! And he was around 38 in 2006. But what's worse is not only that he always looked too old for the role, but that he looks gay. When my wife and I are at the mall and she stops at Neiman Marcus, all those gay salesmen have that shiny face like Craig's and they have that type of short haircut. I have no idea what they put on their faces. (FYI - My teenaged granddaughters are here, and they're giggling as I try to explain this.) But for Craig, it only emphasizes how he (and Mendes and Broccoli) are eager to erase the masculine image of Bond.

[bjmdds]

This says it all Atticus: [video][/video]

[Kristatos]

[Count_Lippe]

[FormerBondFan]

Looks like Kingsman material here.

[Count_Lippe]

These are the gay men from the TV series Queer Eye for the Straight Guy , I posted as a respone to Atticus remark that DC looks gay.

Whatever you think of gay men this show was rather fun though.

And maybe we shouldn't say DC looks gay since he's not gay after all, even if we don't like DC as 007 we don't have to insult him.

[Kristatos]

These are the gay men from the TV series Queer Eye for the Straight Guy , I posted as a respone to Atticus remark that DC looks gay.

Whatever you think of gay men this show was rather fun though.

And maybe we shouldn't say DC looks gay since he's not gay after all, even if we don't like DC as 007 we don't have to insult him.

If he was gay, he might be better dressed.

[bjmdds]

"Production halted on 'Mission: Impossible 5' so Tom Cruise, director Christopher McQuarrie can fix ending". Director Christopher McQuarrie was given the extra time to work out a new and improved finale with a writer friend whose identity remains a mystery and who will neither be paid nor credited.

It's unusual and costly for a big-budget film to halt in the middle of production, especially one with a release date about five months away. While one source claims McQuarrie was "scrambling" to come up with an ending that would work, a Paramount insider puts a more positive spin on the break.

[Alessandra]

These are the gay men from the TV series Queer Eye for the Straight Guy , I posted as a respone to Atticus remark that DC looks gay.

Whatever you think of gay men this show was rather fun though.

And maybe we shouldn't say DC looks gay since he's not gay after all, even if we don't like DC as 007 we don't have to insult him.

I must say two things: 1) gay is not an insult. It's who a person is and it's perfectly fine and I actually have a hell of a lot of gay friends who are wonderful people. 2) yes that show was a lot of fun!

Atticus just said that Craig LOOKS gay... and specified it was about the look on his face, haircut, mannerism etc. that he sees in some gay men. The point is that those characteristics clash entirely with the character of James Bond, and he exhibits them when he plays James Bond. Not only there is nothing wrong with being gay, but there's nothing offensive in saying someone looks gay. The point in his case is that he SHOULD NEVER look like that while playing James Bond. That was the point Atticus made.

Also Sweeney, I loved your "well he aged the best then, looked 70 when he started, looks 70 now!" LOL

Re: the photo from set, they're in costume and shooting a scene, so he obviously has a TON of make up on his face. And I really do mean a ton... I'm sure you're aware how much make up even male actors must wear to film... Cary Grant hated it so he kept a tan all year round (sunbathed etc) because he couldn't stand it, and if he was tanned, the amount of make up significantly decreased. Sigh, they don't make men like Cary anymore. To think Fleming wanted HIM for Bond... SIIIIIIGHH! (not that I don't like Sir Sean, obviously, but Cary is Cary).

[Atticus]

These are the gay men from the TV series Queer Eye for the Straight Guy , I posted as a respone to Atticus remark that DC looks gay.

Whatever you think of gay men this show was rather fun though.

And maybe we shouldn't say DC looks gay since he's not gay after all, even if we don't like DC as 007 we don't have to insult him.

If he was gay, he might be better dressed.

I never said Craig, the man, is gay. If you look back at my comment, what I'm saying is that his portrayal of Bond is of a gay man--which is why they're making him look gay, all the way to the point of having him prance around in drag (as bjmdds reminds us with that bizarre commercial). I've got a gay relative who's mentioned many times that Craig's portrayal has gay nuances starting in CR. Of course, we saw the peak of that in Skyfall when the character suggested he's been with men. It's obvious Eon is so self-consciously PC and that they're also catering to a wide audience base, including the gay community. Now here we are with Spectre and recently the french actress (what's-her-name) mentioned that Craig's Bond (and I'm paraphrasing) gets to be in touch with his emotions and his feminine side while her character is the more masculine. Pulling all that together (and It doesn't take great sagacity to figure this out and I'm no Einstein here) Craig, Mendes, and Broccoli are eager to erase the masculine image of Bond. which is how I ended my comment.

[Atticus]

Atticus just said that Craig LOOKS gay... and specified it was about the look on his face, haircut, mannerism etc. that he sees in some gay men. The point is that those characteristics clash entirely with the character of James Bond, and he exhibits them when he plays James Bond. Not only there is nothing wrong with being gay, but there's nothing offensive in saying someone looks gay. The point in his case is that he SHOULD NEVER look like that while playing James Bond. That was the point Atticus made.

Exactly. That was my point, young lady. As usual, you said it better. But that's why, as I gather from your other posts, you're an accomplished journalist.

[Alessandra]

Now about that whole "gay is not an offense" thing... this reminded me about that English chap called ARTHUR who does vines and who literally made me CRY LAUGHING the first time I saw the compiled " Arthur in traffic" vines... if you guys don't know him, here goes... he isn't exactly respectful or politically correct, but if you watch all of his vines and comments you get to understand that while he DOES use gay or lesbian as an offense, he explains it in other vids and he explains how he loves his gay and lesbian friends... well I think it'll be clear to the Brits around here LOL. WARNING: VERY FOUL LANGUAGE. DO NOT WATCH WITH KIDS AROUND.

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[Alessandra]

Atticus just said that Craig LOOKS gay... and specified it was about the look on his face, haircut, mannerism etc. that he sees in some gay men. The point is that those characteristics clash entirely with the character of James Bond, and he exhibits them when he plays James Bond. Not only there is nothing wrong with being gay, but there's nothing offensive in saying someone looks gay. The point in his case is that he SHOULD NEVER look like that while playing James Bond. That was the point Atticus made.

Exactly. That was my point, young lady. As usual, you said it better. But that's why, as I gather from your other posts, you're an accomplished journalist.

*bows* thank you!! I try to do my best. Considering English isn't my first language, I guess I can't complain. And I apologize for the occasional mistakes that certainly occur!!

[bjmdds]

Atticus is correct and we all know what Broccoli is up to in her emasculation process of Fleming's iconic literary and cinematic character. Why isn't the world fed up with this direction already as well?

[FormerBondFan]

Atticus is correct and we all know what Broccoli is up to in her emasculation process of Fleming's iconic literary and cinematic character. Why isn't the world fed up with this direction already as well?

This is why it's not worth rooting for the return of the traditional classic tall and dark-haired Bond anymore.

[The Sweeney]

My brother, a professional photographer, mentioned the same thing about the natural light and the way it shows how Craig has aged significantly. He's aged the worst. The guy was old-looking from the get-go in CR and has steadily gotten worse, and to deny that is to be delusional. .

I'm only going by what I see, and the photo you showed with Craig in his shades without the make-up, it doesn't show that many wrinkles on his face. He doesn't look as old as Connery did in DAF.

Whether you think Craig is suited for the part of Bond or not, this is nothing to do with that issue. It's purely about ageing, and I think Craig looks pretty much the same now as he did 10 years ago.

Yes, his face looks craggy, yes he isn't conventionally handsome, and yes he looked old even in CR. I am not disputing any of that. But if you compare photos of Craig now, to him in CR, there isn't that much of a difference, particularly when you view the comparisons of Connery and Moore. To say Craig has aged more than Connery did in the same timeframe is delusional.

[Mazer Rackham]

My brother, a professional photographer, mentioned the same thing about the natural light and the way it shows how Craig has aged significantly. He's aged the worst. The guy was old-looking from the get-go in CR and has steadily gotten worse, and to deny that is to be delusional. .

I'm only going by what I see, and the photo you showed with Craig in his shades without the make-up, it doesn't show that many wrinkles on his face. He doesn't look as old as Connery did in DAF.

Whether you think Craig is suited for the part of Bond or not, this is nothing to do with that issue. It's purely about ageing, and I think Craig looks pretty much the same now as he did 10 years ago.

Yes, his face looks craggy, yes he isn't conventionally handsome, and yes he looked old even in CR. I am not disputing any of that. But if you compare photos of Craig now, to him in CR, there isn't that much of a difference, particularly when you view the comparisons of Connery and Moore. To say Craig has aged more than Connery did in the same timeframe is delusional.

I'm glad you are happy with fifty shades of Craig. I've seen the man in person au natural let me tell you he has aged like s**t. Craig looked bad enough to get enough people concerned it went up the food chain to the point Craig was sat down and told mate you're welting. Plenty of cash goes into making him appear less decrepit -he may look passable to better. You simply wouldn't believe the sorcerers on staff at these places.


Connery aged like s**t after You Only Live Twice, finally hitting a balance years later well into his old man phase -I thought he looked better in Never Say Never Again. I would say in the same age range Connery aged poorly.
Moore was about Craig's age now when he started really not a valid comparison.
Brazzzzza was in his forties when he got the role his face circa The World is more apt (or Tomorrow if he was born in 1951). Dalton was about the right age in Licence.
Lazenby? Who cares he walked away from the best job he would ever have!


This is what Craig looked circa 2005--officially touched up of course.


I will concede he looked better in these new photos over how he was outfitted for Skyfall. I guarantee that face has seen more money and maintenance than most of us spend on housing. When the studio heads (and producers) became aware of how old he was looking they came to him with several options -facelift was the one that made the news -there were other options which to Craig were less drastic. Good on him for making his choice under all the pressure.
Image is everything in the movies, the true masters know how to make the young look old and the old young enough to star in the prequels.

To you're point of him not ageing as badly as the others Bonds, I'm not sure he looks better than he did in Casino. Better dressed with the complete package of spray tan make-up and hair. To my eyes on my over sized high def television he is much younger looking in his first movie by a long shot.
What he looks like in a snap shot and on screen do not always match. We will have to see -good in real life vs good on screen. I need to see some footage to know if he looks like Pa Kettle on a secret mission sneaking into a nuclear sub pen or not.

One thing I'm absolutely certain of is the candid shots "without make-up" or retouch are anything but. If there is a woman in the photo she been in make-up for hours, in a trailer right next to Danny's who's getting the same treatment. Guarantee she looks a world better than when she got up that morning, Takes nothing away from either of them -just the facts of how it's in the real world. Getting your picture taken -you get make-up treatment bright and early, (sunshine!).


Pa Kettel (Percy Kilbride) for the millennials.

[Omega]

Hey mazer! Do you think November man 2 will be made?


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[The Sweeney]

My brother, a professional photographer, mentioned the same thing about the natural light and the way it shows how Craig has aged significantly. He's aged the worst. The guy was old-looking from the get-go in CR and has steadily gotten worse, and to deny that is to be delusional. .

I'm only going by what I see, and the photo you showed with Craig in his shades without the make-up, it doesn't show that many wrinkles on his face. He doesn't look as old as Connery did in DAF.

Whether you think Craig is suited for the part of Bond or not, this is nothing to do with that issue. It's purely about ageing, and I think Craig looks pretty much the same now as he did 10 years ago.

Yes, his face looks craggy, yes he isn't conventionally handsome, and yes he looked old even in CR. I am not disputing any of that. But if you compare photos of Craig now, to him in CR, there isn't that much of a difference, particularly when you view the comparisons of Connery and Moore. To say Craig has aged more than Connery did in the same timeframe is delusional.

I'm glad you are happy with fifty shades of Craig. I've seen the man in person au natural let me tell you he has aged like s**t. Craig looked bad enough to get enough people concerned it went up the food chain to the point Craig was sat down and told mate you're welting. Plenty of cash goes into making him appear less decrepit -he may look passable to better. You simply wouldn't believe the sorcerers on staff at these places.


Connery aged like s**t after You Only Live Twice, finally hitting a balance years later well into his old man phase -I thought he looked better in Never Say Never Again. I would say in the same age range Connery aged poorly.
Moore was about Craig's age now when he started really not a valid comparison.
Brazzzzza was in his forties when he got the role his face circa The World is more apt (or Tomorrow if he was born in 1951). Dalton was about the right age in Licence.
Lazenby? Who cares he walked away from the best job he would ever have!


This is what Craig looked circa 2005--officially touched up of course.


I will concede he looked better in these new photos over how he was outfitted for Skyfall. I guarantee that face has seen more money and maintenance than most of us spend on housing. When the studio heads (and producers) became aware of how old he was looking they came to him with several options -facelift was the one that made the news -there were other options which to Craig were less drastic. Good on him for making his choice under all the pressure.
Image is everything in the movies, the true masters know how to make the young look old and the old young enough to star in the prequels.

To you're point of him not ageing as badly as the others Bonds, I'm not sure he looks better than he did in Casino. Better dressed with the complete package of spray tan make-up and hair. To my eyes on my over sized high def television he is much younger looking in his first movie by a long shot.
What he looks like in a snap shot and on screen do not always match. We will have to see -good in real life vs good on screen. I need to see some footage to know if he looks like Pa Kettle on a secret mission sneaking into a nuclear sub pen or not.

One thing I'm absolutely certain of is the candid shots "without make-up" or retouch are anything but. If there is a woman in the photo she been in make-up for hours, in a trailer right next to Danny's who's getting the same treatment. Guarantee she looks a world better than when she got up that morning, Takes nothing away from either of them -just the facts of how it's in the real world. Getting your picture taken -you get make-up treatment bright and early, (sunshine!).


Pa Kettel (Percy Kilbride) for the millennials.

Hey, welcome back Mazer.....

Long time no see. Yes, it wouldn't surprise me if Craig has had a lot of cosmetic work done. Nature of the beast in Hollywood these days. Goes with the gig, and yes, I think Brozza has probably aged the best, although the photos I've seen here of Dalton 10 years later proved he could have carried on with Bond for at least another decade.

I thin Connery and Craig are in a similar bracket, in that they both looked older before their time. Moore was older than Connery when he took over the role, yet you would never believe it.....

[Kristatos]

I agree with Sweeney on this. Craig looked like a waxwork dummy in CR and he looks like a waxwork dummy now. Frying tonight!