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Omega wrote:You're right except bonds weren't out of gas or on not making money when they went reboot.
I think the producers had the idea of a reboot in mind when they got the rights to Casino Royale in 1999. While it really wasn't necessary, their big risk greatly paid off both financially and critically. Plus, I just get the impression that they enjoy making these types of Bond films more than the classic ones.

But as the Craig era has progressed, it's become more evident that the producers are letting the success go to their heads. I hope that it will soon come around to bite them in the a$$.
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Well game over. Last night Variety had its own long piece about MGM sensibly wanting to cut costs, and Sony and EON acting like spoiled brat morons. So now FINALLY they have been exposed for who they are. And for the fact they start filming without even having a finished script, which is bloody insane. It's one thing to do rewrites as you go because something happens or something doesn't work, but to not even have a finished script to begin with is AMATEUR behavior.

I am just here sitting and laughing. This is just the beginning. Stay assured there will be more about Bond and Craig and this utterly embarrassing, ignorant attitude on part of Pascal and Broccoli.
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Well, Mendes did say that the film was going to be like QOS....
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LOL it looks like it's going to be even worse.
I had conversations with two girl friends of mine in the US last night, both saying how utterly inadequate Craig is as Bond. And asking for Cavill to replace him. Both were equally outraged at the spoilers.

OHHH a NEW batch of leaks today. The fun has already started. So um... Pascal and her wittle friend Maureen Dowd from the New York Times exchanged adoring emails, Dowd bought gifts for her teenage son AND ShE HAD PASCAL'S HUSBAND PREVIEW HER COLUMN WHERE SHE OF COURSE SANG THE PRAISES OF PASCAL? :lol:
This gets better by the day. Now Dowd has no credibility whatsoever anymore.
And she was considered a BIG critic. HAHAHAHHAH! I just laugh.

http://www.thewrap.com/sony-hack-reveal ... n-preview/
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The Hollywood heavyweights who trashed Angelina Jolie in a series of scathing emails also went on a racist riff about President Obama’s supposed movie tastes.

Superproducer Scott Rudin and Sony big shot Amy Pascal traded the malevolent missives as she was heading to an Obama fund-raiser at Dreamworks chief Jeffery Katzenberg's house in November 2013.

“What should I ask the president at this stupid Jeffrey breakfast?" Pascal wrote, according to Buzzfeed.

“Would he like to finance some movies,” replied Rudin, the Oscar-winning producer of “No Country for Old Men.”

“I doubt it,” Pascal, the co-chair of Sony Pictures Entertainment, replied. “Should I ask him if he liked DJANGO?” “12 YEARS,” Rudin fired back, referring to the slave movie that nabbed the Best Picture Oscar last year.

Rudin and Pascal continued exchanging emails in the same lame vein, trading titles of popular movies starring black actors like “The Butler” and “Think Like a Man.”

“Ride Along,” Rudin added, referring to the buddy cop flick starring Ice Cube and Kevin Hart. “I bet he likes Kevin Hart.”

Shamed over the revelation, Rudin apologized Thursday for the Obama emails in a statement.

“Private emails between friends and colleagues written in haste and without much thought or sensitivity, even when the content of them is meant to be in jest, can result in offense where none was intended,” he said. In a statement released by Sony, Pascal called her comments “insensitive and inappropriate” and “not an accurate reflection of who I am.”

The Sony honcho cut a $5,000 check for Obama’s reelection campaign in 2011, according to the Federal Election Commission records.

The Rev. Al Sharpton said the emails “reflect a continued lack of diversity in positions of power in major Hollywood studios” and called Pascal’s apology “not enough.”..........It's all over now for Pascal :!: She won't recover from this once Al Sharpton calls her out. I know about this jerk from living in NYC my entire life and he won't let it go. Look for protests outside Sony soon. Pascal did the dirty work to herself to get herself fired and it will be good riddance :!: Where are the emails about Cr-egg as Bond? I want to see those..........The Jolie diss served as particular embarrassment for the company, with one source noting that Sony "is like a pariah" to A-list talent now and unflattering comments were made about everyone from Tom Cruise, David Fincher, Aaron Sorkin, and Adam Sandler.
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Alessandra wrote:LOL it looks like it's going to be even worse.
I had conversations with two girl friends of mine in the US last night, both saying how utterly inadequate Craig is as Bond. And asking for Cavill to replace him. Both were equally outraged at the spoilers.

OHHH a NEW batch of leaks today. The fun has already started. So um... Pascal and her wittle friend Maureen Dowd from the New York Times exchanged adoring emails, Dowd bought gifts for her teenage son AND ShE HAD PASCAL'S HUSBAND PREVIEW HER COLUMN WHERE SHE OF COURSE SANG THE PRAISES OF PASCAL? :lol:
This gets better by the day. Now Dowd has no credibility whatsoever anymore.
And she was considered a BIG critic. HAHAHAHHAH! I just laugh.

http://www.thewrap.com/sony-hack-reveal ... n-preview/
I cannot stand Dowd :!: She is a condecending SOB who deserves what she gets.
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It does rather put a dent in the stereotype of the politically correct Hollywood liberal if Rudin and Pascal were exchanging seemingly endless variations on "I bet president Obama likes BLACK movies, har har". They sound like a couple of good ole boys at a South Carolina country club.
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PASCAL=H-I-S-T-O-R-Y :!: :yay:
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Alessandra wrote:LOL it looks like it's going to be even worse.
I had conversations with two girl friends of mine in the US last night, both saying how utterly inadequate Craig is as Bond. And asking for Cavill to replace him. Both were equally outraged at the spoilers.

OHHH a NEW batch of leaks today. The fun has already started. So um... Pascal and her wittle friend Maureen Dowd from the New York Times exchanged adoring emails, Dowd bought gifts for her teenage son AND ShE HAD PASCAL'S HUSBAND PREVIEW HER COLUMN WHERE SHE OF COURSE SANG THE PRAISES OF PASCAL? :lol:
This gets better by the day. Now Dowd has no credibility whatsoever anymore.
And she was considered a BIG critic. HAHAHAHHAH! I just laugh.

http://www.thewrap.com/sony-hack-reveal ... n-preview/
Pascal is an idiot! She and her little pals long -long- long- before the hacking leaks were in deep s**t. In the last year she cut the throats of some extremely talented people to save her own worthless ass.
Sony was in a bad way for a long time, the dip shits in charge through they could pass for getting back on their feet -the hacking ended all those notions.

I don't' believe it is the Koreans there are too many with a valid reason to f**k Sony over it's almost impossible to narrow it down. Let me add this the true s**t has not hit the fan -this is all fun and games right now -if the hackers truly have all of Sony's files there will be enough to truly f**k the company and it's leadership. In Hollywood there is some stuff you don't make records for -do not write down, these jackass probably not only recorded it -given how mind-numbingly stupid they are I'd bet they left all their dirty laundry in a public unencrypted folder with "Top Secret" the label.

Sony is trying to cover it's ass by saying nobody could ever have predicted this -they are full of s**t. Sony should have known they were a target from their Playstation network being hacked, almost guaranteed that system when it was hacked was a thousand time more secure than the network they kept the entire company on.

I'm enjoying this. Bring it on! I'm looking forward to what new drama Sony will provide. The miasma of their desperation is slowly replacing the smog smothering L.A.
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Alessandra wrote:LOL it looks like it's going to be even worse.
I had conversations with two girl friends of mine in the US last night, both saying how utterly inadequate Craig is as Bond. And asking for Cavill to replace him. Both were equally outraged at the spoilers.

OHHH a NEW batch of leaks today. The fun has already started. So um... Pascal and her wittle friend Maureen Dowd from the New York Times exchanged adoring emails, Dowd bought gifts for her teenage son AND ShE HAD PASCAL'S HUSBAND PREVIEW HER COLUMN WHERE SHE OF COURSE SANG THE PRAISES OF PASCAL? :lol:
This gets better by the day. Now Dowd has no credibility whatsoever anymore.
And she was considered a BIG critic. HAHAHAHHAH! I just laugh.

http://www.thewrap.com/sony-hack-reveal ... n-preview/
BTW I know for a fact what was described in the Dowd story was happening to a lot of reporters. Pascal did a lot of s**t to keep her incompetence from seeing daylight. The Dowd story even though she is denying it -I could find another half dozen at a minimum who had a similar experiences only less friendly.
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Q, where have you been for 8 months? Your thoughts on a new "C" to go along with the new boyish "Q"?
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Holy s**t Sony can't make payments
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Now, between the controversy over the film and the release of the emails, observers are questioning Pascal's future with the studio.

"Typically, somebody senior's head rolls when there is a hacking scandal, and the embarrassing email disclosures just help determine who that is going to be in this case," said Laura Martin, senior media analyst for Needham & Co. "If she becomes the weak link because people believe she can't actually work in the business, it's just, OK, now we know who it is going to be. None of it is particularly fair, but if somebody's head has to roll, they are looking for the path of least resistance."

In particular, the emails reflect poorly on Pascal's judgment, said Ashley McCown, president of crisis public relations company Solomon McCown & Co.

"This is troubling on every level," McCown said. "She says this is not who she is, but then why did she say it in the first place? There is no humor to be found in that at all.

"The board of Sony is going to have to take a hard look at this situation and make some tough choices," she said. Also on Thursday, civil rights activist Al Sharpton condemned Pascal's comments about Obama and called on her to meet with black leaders to "deal with the gravity of her statements as well as the inequality of how they do business."

This isn't the first time in recent years that Pascal's status at Sony has been scrutinized.

Late last year, it was an open question in Hollywood as to whether Pascal's job was in jeopardy after the studio suffered through a poor summer at the box office and an activist shareholder criticized the company's management.

Although Pascal's boss, Michael Lynton, is the chairman and chief executive of Sony Pictures, she is known to be its top creative decision maker and is held accountable when projects disappoint. But Pascal quieted the talk earlier this year after Sony put out a handful of movies in late 2013 — including "American Hustle" and "Captain Phillips" — that were critical and commercial successes. Lynton declined to comment. The messages have rankled some actors, including Kevin Hart and Zoe Saldana, who have vented about the emails on social media.

"It's the way a part of Hollywood conducts itself. They don't like talent," said actor Mark Ruffalo, who is mentioned in several emails released by the hackers. "There's been a huge disrespect to what the talent brings." The studio's business affairs executives have spent the last few days on the phone with managers and agents of the top stars in an effort to soothe jagged nerves — but also to alert them of the possibility of further embarrassing disclosures, according to a Sony insider....... "I'd be surprised if my entire legacy was based on the leak of the email exchange," Pascal told industry website The Wrap on Thursday..........BYE BYE Amy :cheers:
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Kristatos wrote:It does rather put a dent in the stereotype of the politically correct Hollywood liberal if Rudin and Pascal were exchanging seemingly endless variations on "I bet president Obama likes BLACK movies, har har". They sound like a couple of good ole boys at a South Carolina country club.
They DO. That stuff was racist and embarrassing. She is a freaking IDIOT for saying all that on email. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND DOES THAT! While you're at the helm of a huge studio, no less? WHAT is wrong with these people?! Oh right, they are overpaid IDIOTS!!

And yes, BJ, Amy Pascal and Sony are DONE after this. It will take them a LONG time to recover- There were articles going around today talking about the fact Pascal may be unfit to helm Sony at this point.
Stupid... so so stupid. now I get why she gets on well with Barbara Broccoli? :lol:

This whole thing is disgusting for many different reasons. And the utter and complete lack of professionalism these people show is truly embarrassing. WHY do people assume no one can hack into their email? I NEVER, EVER write sensitive stuff about others who are public figures in my emails. NOT EVER! Because I always assume "what if someone hacks me". And that's the assumption everyone should ALWAYS operate under. Not to mention if you're the head of a studio you are NOT supposed to say certain things, PERIOD.
These people are morons.
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Alessandra wrote:LOL it looks like it's going to be even worse.
I had conversations with two girl friends of mine in the US last night, both saying how utterly inadequate Craig is as Bond. And asking for Cavill to replace him. Both were equally outraged at the spoilers.

OHHH a NEW batch of leaks today. The fun has already started. So um... Pascal and her wittle friend Maureen Dowd from the New York Times exchanged adoring emails, Dowd bought gifts for her teenage son AND ShE HAD PASCAL'S HUSBAND PREVIEW HER COLUMN WHERE SHE OF COURSE SANG THE PRAISES OF PASCAL? :lol:
This gets better by the day. Now Dowd has no credibility whatsoever anymore.
And she was considered a BIG critic. HAHAHAHHAH! I just laugh.

http://www.thewrap.com/sony-hack-reveal ... n-preview/
Pascal is an idiot! She and her little pals long -long- long- before the hacking leaks were in deep s**t. In the last year she cut the throats of some extremely talented people to save her own worthless ass.
Sony was in a bad way for a long time, the dip shits in charge through they could pass for getting back on their feet -the hacking ended all those notions.

I don't' believe it is the Koreans there are too many with a valid reason to f**k Sony over it's almost impossible to narrow it down. Let me add this the true s**t has not hit the fan -this is all fun and games right now -if the hackers truly have all of Sony's files there will be enough to truly f**k the company and it's leadership. In Hollywood there is some stuff you don't make records for -do not write down, these jackass probably not only recorded it -given how mind-numbingly stupid they are I'd bet they left all their dirty laundry in a public unencrypted folder with "Top Secret" the label.

Sony is trying to cover it's ass by saying nobody could ever have predicted this -they are full of s**t. Sony should have known they were a target from their Playstation network being hacked, almost guaranteed that system when it was hacked was a thousand time more secure than the network they kept the entire company on.

I'm enjoying this. Bring it on! I'm looking forward to what new drama Sony will provide. The miasma of their desperation is slowly replacing the smog smothering L.A.
MAZER! So great to see you and YES, I agree with EVERY WORD. We all know the worst hasn't yet surfaced, and they've already alerted other actors that worse stuff may be leaked... the best part of it is that all this is over a movie that WON'T give them the grosses they think... and btw no matter how evil the North Korean dictator is, it is in poor judgment and bad taste to do a movie about him being killed by the CIA, comedy or not!!! Again, MORONS!

I am absolutely LOVING this though. The habits of the entertainment industry , the real ones, are being disclosed. AND YES to MANY journalists behaving the same way Dowd did, and even worse. ABSOLUTELY. Entertainment journalists are a JOKE. That's why we, actual journalists, always look at them with disdain, except for rare exceptions of people who actually tell the truth, instead of kissing everyone's behind and doing what PR people tell them to. And those are about 2% of the whole lot, so really... I'm eagerly waiting the next installment. I'm quite sure there WILL be more Bond and Daniel Craig stuff.
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Gawker got ahold of more SPECTRE related emails

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According to emails leaked in the Sony hack, the new James Bond movie, Spectre, which began filming this week, will likely clock in among the most expensive movies ever made, with a current projected budget "in the mid $300Ms." Why? Possibly because the script—which leaked in full alongside copious, desperate notes to improve it—features a messy third act that executives are still trying to rework after months of tweaking.

Already delayed because of director Sam Mendes' difficulty juggling his schedule, Spectre was further held up when the first draft of the script had to be punched up by Neal Purvis and Robert Wade, veteran screenwriters of the last Bond movie, Skyfall. They weren't the only writers to have a crack at the movie: In October, another screenwriter, Jez Butterworth, was "rewriting" and "tweaking story lines." And according to emails in the leak obtained by Gawker, the script was going through major revisions at least into November. The movie began filming last week.

Throughout the rounds of notes we saw, executives seemed mostly happy with the movie's first two acts (spoilers ahead, if you care): Bond, having destroyed part of Mexico City on a rogue operation, and facing forced retirement as MI-6 merges with its sister agency MI-5, escapes across Europe on a mission posthumously assigned to him by his late boss, M (played by Judi Dench). He seduces the wife (Monica Bellucci) of a man he assassinated, and, using information from her, attends a meeting of a sinister group of masked terrorists led by a man who knows Bond from his past. Meanwhile, Bond's current boss, M (Ralph Fiennes), battles his likely successor and the head of MI-5, C (Andrew Scott), over the future of an intelligence sharing program called Nine Eyes. Bond witnesses the death of Mr. White, a villain from Casino Royale, and finds White's daughter Madeiline Swann (Lea Seydoux) in Austria. The pair head to Morocco, get drunk, screw, have stilted conversations, take a train to the desert, and kill a henchman named Mr. Hinx (Dave Bautista).

In two rounds of studio notes and dozens of emails critiquing the script, executives at Sony and MGM agree that the film is generally good up to around this point. "For what it's worth, I think first 100 pages are fantastic," writes Jonathan Glickman, the president of MGM's film division, in an email dated October 9. "It's fun, emotional and the major logic issues have been rectified. And the relationship with Madeline is terrific." (Our read is that it's about as good as the last couple Bond movies, which is to say: Not very.)

But Glickman echoes a sentiment that is consistent among those who have read the script: "You guys set me up for a let down on climax," Glickman says. "So I was not surprised."

The studio notes, if you read the script, are accurate. The problems seem to start when Bond meets the villain, a mysterious man named Heinrich Stockmann, who also uses the alias Franz Oberhauser, played by Christoph Waltz. In an irritating expository monologue, Stockmann confesses over dinner that he is Bond's older foster-brother and also the head of a terrorist organization named Spectre. Bond is tortured; and then for unclear reasons manages to bluff Stockmann into rushing back to London, where it has become clear that C has been working for Stockmann the entire time. Bond, accompanied by Q, who was in the next cell the whole time, follows Stockmann to London, where he kills him.

Stockmann is not a particularly compelling villain; his motivations are never made particularly clear; his connection with Bond completely forced. The plot, once Stockmann arrives, becomes difficult to follow, and, honestly, kind of boring. Stockmann, we ought to note, also has an attractive womanservant who has the hots for Swann.

As a result, the film has a boring and uneventful third act that, according to some executives, barely even makes sense. But those working on the film are still searching for answers.

A memo of script notes from August 25th says this about the third act:

ALSO, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF A TWIST RATHER THAN A SERIES OF WATERY CHASES WITH GUNS. THIS IS BLOFELD AFTER ALL. WHAT DOES HE HAVE UP HIS SLEEVE?
Oddly, the name "Blofeld" appears nowhere in the actual script. The reappearance of the well-known Bond villain Ernst Stavro Blofeld has been widely rumored, and script notes, as you can see see, sometimes call Waltz's character "Blofeld." But in the version of the script obtained by Gawker, Waltz's character is called either Stockmann or Oberhauser, and on two reads we couldn't find "Blofeld" at all.

Another note about the third act from the same document says 20 whole pages need to be cut:

WE NEED TO CUT 20 PAGES AND THIS WHOLE SET PIECE COULD GO.
A document from the next day also focuses on the need for a real "twist":

Can we plot out what details Bond uncovers and what he thinks he's found so that the end truly feels like a twist?
In his October 9 email, referring a revised version of the script, Glickman goes into further detail about why the climax of the film feels so drab:

We've already witnessed many horrible acts of terrorism, the finale should be about the biggest one yet that allows SPECTRE to profit the most. They should need the combined resources of all the intelligence agencies to pull it off. Surely there is something more pressing than suppressing one document.
Yes, as recently as October, the new Bond film was about the suppression of a single document.

Hannah Minghella, co-president of production at Columbia, was even harsher in a response email three days later that questions whether the connection between Skyfall and Spectre as emotionally resonant as the writers think:

If this is the movie that resolves the last three films then the emotional significance of that idea for Bond seems only lightly served at best. He finds the Vesper tape but never watches it. He appears to fall in love again for the first time since Vesper but there's no real emotional vulnerability there - why this girl? Why now? When he leaves with her at the end of the movie and throws his gun in the river has he gone for good or is this just a well earned vacation as is so often the ending of a Bond film. Does he feel some sense of completion that he finished the last mission M/Judy left for him? It's hard to know what significance any of these final gestures carry.
"rough rough rough..." begins another response email, this one from Elizabeth Cantillon, an ex-Columbia executive who is now a producer with an exclusive deal at Sony. She calls the set pieces centered around Bond at the end of the movie "overblown and familiar":

the "meanwhile" action for bond is simply fighting henchmen in many overblown and familiar sequences - helicopter, elevator shaft, netting. he's trying to save the girl but there must be a more dynamic set piece to come up with that doesn't involve myriad henchmen and irma while BLOFELD is in another location.
She also objects to the way Bond eliminates the film's villain: "and the killing of blofeld with a final shot to the head? i dont' know. seems brutal even for bond."

On October 21, Glickman stated that the third act still needed to be set up for the audience—a basic tenet of screenwriting:

I agree- third act needs a bit more set up so audience understands what is at stake and what is "supposed" to go down before Bond disrupts it.
A document from October 22 has an entire section titled "THIRD ACT," in which its suggested that a "surgical" look be taken of the movie's end: "We should surgically review the scene- setting in the lead up to the finale so the events of the third act are clearer."

Even into November, executives behind the movie were still trying to hammer down the third act. "Just following up - I believe you said we would get a treatment for new act three," wrote Glickman to longtime Bond producer Barbara Broccoli in a November 7 email titled "Act 3 Treatment." "Do you expect we will get this weekend?"

A week later, Glickman expressed pleasure with the changes but was still looking to tinker with the final act in order to reduce costs:

Just as we are thrilled with the creative changes made in the last outline, it feels like there will be some streamlining in the new structure that should help reduce the number.
Unfortunately, even if the structure is streamlined, edited, and improved, the script just isn't that good. Purvis and Wade, the pair brought in this summer to "punch up" the script after Bond himself, Daniel Craig, had said he hoped to "reclaim some of the old irony," haven't quite succeeded. The lines are clunkier even than classic raised-eyebrow Bonds, and the punchlines often fall flat. Here's one that barely gets a chuckle even if you know that he's wearing a mask:

New Bond Script Leaks: Execs Scrambling to Fix Awful Ending

And here's what sounds like an effort to return Bond to "the old irony" of raised eyebrows and broad winks that ends up being laughable on the page (note also the "your"/"you're" confusion):

New Bond Script Leaks: Execs Scrambling to Fix Awful Ending

One good thing: The "lesbian bad lady" from the film referred to in this Vulture item appears to have been somewhat toned down—this scene is the only one in which the character, Stockmann's henchwoman Irma Bunt, demonstrates a hint of queerness:

New Bond Script Leaks: Execs Scrambling to Fix Awful Ending

But don't trust these—for all we know, the executives and producers handling Spectre could still be tinkering with the final act. And if after seeing the movie you think it ended like s**t, just know you won't be alone.
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Napoleon Solo wrote:Gawker got ahold of more SPECTRE related emails

http://gawker.com/new-bond-script-leaks ... 1670479885

According to emails leaked in the Sony hack, the new James Bond movie, Spectre, which began filming this week, will likely clock in among the most expensive movies ever made, with a current projected budget "in the mid $300Ms." Why? Possibly because the script—which leaked in full alongside copious, desperate notes to improve it—features a messy third act that executives are still trying to rework after months of tweaking.

Already delayed because of director Sam Mendes' difficulty juggling his schedule, Spectre was further held up when the first draft of the script had to be punched up by Neal Purvis and Robert Wade, veteran screenwriters of the last Bond movie, Skyfall. They weren't the only writers to have a crack at the movie: In October, another screenwriter, Jez Butterworth, was "rewriting" and "tweaking story lines." And according to emails in the leak obtained by Gawker, the script was going through major revisions at least into November. The movie began filming last week.

Throughout the rounds of notes we saw, executives seemed mostly happy with the movie's first two acts (spoilers ahead, if you care): Bond, having destroyed part of Mexico City on a rogue operation, and facing forced retirement as MI-6 merges with its sister agency MI-5, escapes across Europe on a mission posthumously assigned to him by his late boss, M (played by Judi Dench). He seduces the wife (Monica Bellucci) of a man he assassinated, and, using information from her, attends a meeting of a sinister group of masked terrorists led by a man who knows Bond from his past. Meanwhile, Bond's current boss, M (Ralph Fiennes), battles his likely successor and the head of MI-5, C (Andrew Scott), over the future of an intelligence sharing program called Nine Eyes. Bond witnesses the death of Mr. White, a villain from Casino Royale, and finds White's daughter Madeiline Swann (Lea Seydoux) in Austria. The pair head to Morocco, get drunk, screw, have stilted conversations, take a train to the desert, and kill a henchman named Mr. Hinx (Dave Bautista).

In two rounds of studio notes and dozens of emails critiquing the script, executives at Sony and MGM agree that the film is generally good up to around this point. "For what it's worth, I think first 100 pages are fantastic," writes Jonathan Glickman, the president of MGM's film division, in an email dated October 9. "It's fun, emotional and the major logic issues have been rectified. And the relationship with Madeline is terrific." (Our read is that it's about as good as the last couple Bond movies, which is to say: Not very.)

But Glickman echoes a sentiment that is consistent among those who have read the script: "You guys set me up for a let down on climax," Glickman says. "So I was not surprised."

The studio notes, if you read the script, are accurate. The problems seem to start when Bond meets the villain, a mysterious man named Heinrich Stockmann, who also uses the alias Franz Oberhauser, played by Christoph Waltz. In an irritating expository monologue, Stockmann confesses over dinner that he is Bond's older foster-brother and also the head of a terrorist organization named Spectre. Bond is tortured; and then for unclear reasons manages to bluff Stockmann into rushing back to London, where it has become clear that C has been working for Stockmann the entire time. Bond, accompanied by Q, who was in the next cell the whole time, follows Stockmann to London, where he kills him.

Stockmann is not a particularly compelling villain; his motivations are never made particularly clear; his connection with Bond completely forced. The plot, once Stockmann arrives, becomes difficult to follow, and, honestly, kind of boring. Stockmann, we ought to note, also has an attractive womanservant who has the hots for Swann.

As a result, the film has a boring and uneventful third act that, according to some executives, barely even makes sense. But those working on the film are still searching for answers.

A memo of script notes from August 25th says this about the third act:

ALSO, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF A TWIST RATHER THAN A SERIES OF WATERY CHASES WITH GUNS. THIS IS BLOFELD AFTER ALL. WHAT DOES HE HAVE UP HIS SLEEVE?
Oddly, the name "Blofeld" appears nowhere in the actual script. The reappearance of the well-known Bond villain Ernst Stavro Blofeld has been widely rumored, and script notes, as you can see see, sometimes call Waltz's character "Blofeld." But in the version of the script obtained by Gawker, Waltz's character is called either Stockmann or Oberhauser, and on two reads we couldn't find "Blofeld" at all.

Another note about the third act from the same document says 20 whole pages need to be cut:

WE NEED TO CUT 20 PAGES AND THIS WHOLE SET PIECE COULD GO.
A document from the next day also focuses on the need for a real "twist":

Can we plot out what details Bond uncovers and what he thinks he's found so that the end truly feels like a twist?
In his October 9 email, referring a revised version of the script, Glickman goes into further detail about why the climax of the film feels so drab:

We've already witnessed many horrible acts of terrorism, the finale should be about the biggest one yet that allows SPECTRE to profit the most. They should need the combined resources of all the intelligence agencies to pull it off. Surely there is something more pressing than suppressing one document.
Yes, as recently as October, the new Bond film was about the suppression of a single document.

Hannah Minghella, co-president of production at Columbia, was even harsher in a response email three days later that questions whether the connection between Skyfall and Spectre as emotionally resonant as the writers think:

If this is the movie that resolves the last three films then the emotional significance of that idea for Bond seems only lightly served at best. He finds the Vesper tape but never watches it. He appears to fall in love again for the first time since Vesper but there's no real emotional vulnerability there - why this girl? Why now? When he leaves with her at the end of the movie and throws his gun in the river has he gone for good or is this just a well earned vacation as is so often the ending of a Bond film. Does he feel some sense of completion that he finished the last mission M/Judy left for him? It's hard to know what significance any of these final gestures carry.
"rough rough rough..." begins another response email, this one from Elizabeth Cantillon, an ex-Columbia executive who is now a producer with an exclusive deal at Sony. She calls the set pieces centered around Bond at the end of the movie "overblown and familiar":

the "meanwhile" action for bond is simply fighting henchmen in many overblown and familiar sequences - helicopter, elevator shaft, netting. he's trying to save the girl but there must be a more dynamic set piece to come up with that doesn't involve myriad henchmen and irma while BLOFELD is in another location.
She also objects to the way Bond eliminates the film's villain: "and the killing of blofeld with a final shot to the head? i dont' know. seems brutal even for bond."

On October 21, Glickman stated that the third act still needed to be set up for the audience—a basic tenet of screenwriting:

I agree- third act needs a bit more set up so audience understands what is at stake and what is "supposed" to go down before Bond disrupts it.
A document from October 22 has an entire section titled "THIRD ACT," in which its suggested that a "surgical" look be taken of the movie's end: "We should surgically review the scene- setting in the lead up to the finale so the events of the third act are clearer."

Even into November, executives behind the movie were still trying to hammer down the third act. "Just following up - I believe you said we would get a treatment for new act three," wrote Glickman to longtime Bond producer Barbara Broccoli in a November 7 email titled "Act 3 Treatment." "Do you expect we will get this weekend?"

A week later, Glickman expressed pleasure with the changes but was still looking to tinker with the final act in order to reduce costs:

Just as we are thrilled with the creative changes made in the last outline, it feels like there will be some streamlining in the new structure that should help reduce the number.
Unfortunately, even if the structure is streamlined, edited, and improved, the script just isn't that good. Purvis and Wade, the pair brought in this summer to "punch up" the script after Bond himself, Daniel Craig, had said he hoped to "reclaim some of the old irony," haven't quite succeeded. The lines are clunkier even than classic raised-eyebrow Bonds, and the punchlines often fall flat. Here's one that barely gets a chuckle even if you know that he's wearing a mask:

New Bond Script Leaks: Execs Scrambling to Fix Awful Ending

And here's what sounds like an effort to return Bond to "the old irony" of raised eyebrows and broad winks that ends up being laughable on the page (note also the "your"/"you're" confusion):

New Bond Script Leaks: Execs Scrambling to Fix Awful Ending

One good thing: The "lesbian bad lady" from the film referred to in this Vulture item appears to have been somewhat toned down—this scene is the only one in which the character, Stockmann's henchwoman Irma Bunt, demonstrates a hint of queerness:

New Bond Script Leaks: Execs Scrambling to Fix Awful Ending

But don't trust these—for all we know, the executives and producers handling Spectre could still be tinkering with the final act. And if after seeing the movie you think it ended like s**t, just know you won't be alone.
With each new revolation I keep going back to square one with the chapter in the unofficial novelisation. With all we know now (if accurate and it does appear to fit their narrative) we could do a better job putting official script shame.

As much as I dislike the reboot, EON is seems has forgotten almost anything they knew about 007. If I were reading the same story point about another movies series I would think how tiresome and droll.
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Blowfeld wrote: With each new revolation I keep going back to square one with the chapter in the unofficial novelisation. With all we know now (if accurate and it does appear to fit their narrative) we could do a better job putting official script shame.

As much as I dislike the reboot, EON is seems has forgotten almost anything they knew about 007. If I were reading the same story point about another movies series I would think how tiresome and droll.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Would anybody have any objection to junking the entire thread and starting again from scratch? With such a detailed synopsis, we could even divvy it up into chapters in advance and give people the opportunity to call first dibs on any particular sequences they want to parody.
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I wouldn't object but I have not made any real contributions either.
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Napoleon Solo wrote:New Bond Script Leaks: Execs Scrambling to Fix Awful Ending

And here's what sounds like an effort to return Bond to "the old irony" of raised eyebrows and broad winks that ends up being laughable on the page (note also the "your"/"you're" confusion):

Oh god, please, not the cheesey jokes and raised eyebrows. I thought they had been left behind in the Moore and Brosnan eras.
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I'm all for cheesy jokes, one liners and raised eyebrows along with machismo. That's Bond for me. But then again, like FormerBondFan, Bond is history for me, and I wouldn't give it my two cents.
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